Trump backs Louisiana law requiring Ten Commandments in schools

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: Sookiechacha

I’m told that since I’m a man, abortion issues should be none of my business.
This is a Louisiana issue so applying that same logic seems to say that if you aren’t a Louisianan then it’s none of your business.

Maybe it will help with Louisiana being #40 in states for k-12 public schools, and #38 in high school completion.

If not they should work on that.

Trump had sex on his third wife with a porn star?

That must have been a difficult time for her …..

But why pay hush money when she was in the room?

a reply to: Disgusted123

Bill Clinton did set the precedent…..

Or was that JFK?

a reply to: SteamyAmerican

Considering the state is 34 in literacy or thereabouts they better hope the weans can read the posters.

a reply to: andy06shake

Never mind the kids, hopefully the teachers can read the posters!

a reply to: Xtrozero

Thomas Jefferson had the foresight to understand that society pushes forwards and changes and so must our laws.

"The question Whether one generation of men has a right to bind another, seems never to have been started either on this or our side of the water…

(But) between society and society, or generation and generation there is no municipal obligation, no umpire but the law of nature. We seem not to have perceived that, by the law of nature, one generation is to another as one independant nation to another…

On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation…

Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19. years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force and not of right."

-Thomas Jefferson

I guess Jefferson doesn't count as a forefather?
Jefferson had 2 generational ideas.
The living document and the bloody tree.

The living document requires thinking and the bloody tree requires violence.

Americans are hard wired for warfare, so the living document mentality takes a backseat to the bloody tree mentality. We CAN come together and use our minds to solve problems but we choose to fight everyone instead.

I'm not liberal or conservative.
I'm counterculture. Always anti status quo.

And the status quo on ATS at the moment is set to Trump cult. You ever talk to a Scientologist or a Mormon about how silly their beliefs are?

Probably won't change any minds, it's just fun to bust up a jilted worldview no matter which side it is because neither side will ever have my best interests at heart.

a reply to: Xtrozero

That would be fine too.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I had a similar thought.

"I think I can get over my dislike of Trump. He backs states rights. He'll do better globally... But... No! Why did you have to go and do that?"

I can't understand why Trump would want to take up this issue, especially now. Being Christian is not a requirement for being an American...so why make it one?

It seems there is an evangelical current that wants to say, "There would not be law without Moses. America is a CHRISTIAN nation. As matter of TRUTH and legal decree," and that is neither American, nor religious in my mind.

Exodus was written after Babylon. You can't escape the Persian loan words. It's not even the ultimate code, it's a refinement of the Code of Hammurabi and Ur-Nammu written under The Archaemenid Empire, after 539 BCE. It's a good code, but came about to establish their version of Babylon.

Why doesn't Cyrus get more credit? Persia had the lenient laws that allowed the return to the 2nd Temple, where a new word was codified. It's not like Mosaic law arose from a vacuum. And clearly there was magnanimous rulers before the Torah was even fully written.

There was recognition of morality.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

It's a statement more than anything. It's Christian Nationalist through and through. It's a direct response to rainbows and gender things.

Like if it was encapsulated by a statement it would be,

"Your gonna tell my 9 year old they can be any gender they want? You indoctrinate them with pronouns and screw their heads up? We're going to reinsert Jesus and do it to the same extent you tried to indoctrinate our children."

That being as fair to all points as possible. It's a culture indoctrination war.

This proves that woke is considered a religion in the collective mind. The attempt at LGBT normalization, the PC/DEI thing really showed everyone where the line was. Race? No problem. Age, Disability, no problem. 9-17 year old gender fluidity! Obliterate the heteronormative? Not on my watch!

The comfort lever was obliterated by rainbow capitalism, RuPaul, and Disney. This recaptures it.

originally posted by: Disgusted123
So when a first grader asks, "What is adultery", should the teacher explain it's when Trump has sex on his third wife with a porn star and then pays hush money to cover it up to win an election?

And yes, I would expect other religions to sue the State to get access to the same "audience" that Christians seem to want to convert.

And we fought a revolution to escape this EXACT THING.

Your TDS aside...

We fought a revolution to escape taxation without representation.

Kinda where we are again.

We also fought to allow freedom OF religion.... not freedom FROM religion.

As for our current state of affairs with the Department of Education I'll just leave this...

a reply to: Lumenari

I like that one! I like it a lot!

...especially that 2nd part!

originally posted by: watchitburn
Oh no!

We can't expose our children to any kind of code of ethics, that would be terrible.

Definitely stick to letting guys in thongs and clown makeup shake their asses in the kids faces instead.

Throw all cheerleaders and Hooters staff in prison!!!! - current right wing attitude.

a reply to: Lumenari

We also fought to allow freedom OF religion.... not freedom FROM religion.

That’s not true. The founding fathers believed in separation of church and state.

The first amendment says the following-

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Lumenari

We also fought to allow freedom OF religion.... not freedom FROM religion.

That’s not true. The founding fathers believed in separation of church and state.

The first amendment says the following-

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Then please quote for me where in any of the Founding documents or anywhere else there is the term "separation of church and state."

Instead, they said EXACTLY this in the 1st Amendment...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

Meaning that they did not want the Federal government establishing an official religion for the United States.

The problem they had with King George and the Church of England.

They then said...

or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Meaning that the Federal government cannot prohibit the free exercise of any religion.

Please note that the First Amendment was limiting the power of the Congress... the Federal government.

They were not limiting the power of the State at all.

You seem to be unaware of the difference between the Federal government and State's rights under the 10th Amendment.

Which means you don't understand the basic concept of the United States at all.

Which doesn't surprise me...

Trump backs Louisiana law requiring Ten Commandments in schools

trumps favorite Commandment out of the 10....number 7

www.learnreligions.com...

originally posted by: lilzazz

Trump backs Louisiana law requiring Ten Commandments in schools

trumps favorite Commandment out of the 10....number 7

www.learnreligions.com...

Maybe that’s Biden’s as well, considering his daughter isn’t really his spouse.

OMG -- Trump the Carnival Barker throws something out to get votes.

Shocking.

a reply to: Lumenari

Then please quote for me where in any of the Founding documents or anywhere else there is the term "separation of church and state."

I can’t, which is why I phrased it the way I did.

You can look at their individual writings and find that it was a big topic back then. There were founding fathers of different denominations, and some who weren’t religious. America was settled by many religions that experience persecution in Europe.

But what is in the constitution is a clear emphasis that the government wouldn’t take a stance on it at all.

And freedom of religion could be interpreted as any or no religion.

So why don’t you show me where it says we don’t have freedom from religion? Because my point, while not explicitly stated in the constitution has more to back it up than your point.

And I’m well aware of states rights, but I also don’t root for them to be more authoritarian than the constitution. That’s why I don’t live in a state like NY or CA.

The Ten Commandments being displayed ultimately isn’t a big deal. It’s just ironic to me that around six of them have nothing to do with many Children’s lives. It’s not some incredible moral code outside of its immediate religious context. I personally find it ironic they’re more willing to play political football than better their state’s academic standing in the nation.

🤷‍♂️

a reply to: Degradation33

"Your gonna tell my 9 year old they can be any gender they want? You indoctrinate them with pronouns and screw their heads up? We're going to reinsert Jesus and do it to the same extent you tried to indoctrinate our children."

I get it, but the 10 Commandments don't address same sex marriage, sex changers or cross-dressing identities. The Bible does, in various ways and various places, but not the 10 Commandments.

But you're right, it is a knee-jerk, "How do you like THIS??!!" reaction to the out of control things that are driving these Christian Nationalists crazy!

a reply to: Lumenari

Please note that the First Amendment was limiting the power of the Congress... the Federal government.

They were not limiting the power of the State at all.

You seem to be unaware of the difference between the Federal government and State's rights under the 10th Amendment.

10th Amendment states' rights don't supersede the rights enumerated in the 1st Amendment. If that were true, then any state's governor could arrest his political rivals for criticizing the government.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Lumenari

Please note that the First Amendment was limiting the power of the Congress... the Federal government.

They were not limiting the power of the State at all.

You seem to be unaware of the difference between the Federal government and State's rights under the 10th Amendment.

10th Amendment states' rights don't supersede the rights enumerated in the 1st Amendment. If that were true, then any state's governor could arrest his political rivals for criticizing the government.

Or any state DA for that matter-wait what?