Trump backs Louisiana law requiring Ten Commandments in schools

a reply to: VariedcodeSole

The point being i should imagine school kids are going to ask questions about the posters put up on school walls.

And those questions are going to have to be answered.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: VariedcodeSole

The point being i should imagine school kids are going to ask questions about the posters put up on school walls.

And those questions are going to have to be answered.

What's the current signage look like?

a reply to: nugget1

When you say they’re just on display and no one has to read them it reminds me of the kids that have been taken to task over shirts that read “There are only two genders” or the kid with the Gadsden Flag on his backpack.

I mean no one was forcing anyone to read those kids’ freedom of expression.

Yet they were reprimanded because of feelz.

a reply to: Degradation33

President Donald Trump told a group of evangelicals they "cannot afford to sit on the sidelines" of the 2024 election, imploring them at one point to "go and vote, Christians, please!

Trump is canvasing for votes among the faithful , as for him supporting the 10 commandments I can think of at least one he's broken.

a reply to: VariedcodeSole

About A2 or A3 by my guess.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Degradation33

President Donald Trump told a group of evangelicals they "cannot afford to sit on the sidelines" of the 2024 election, imploring them at one point to "go and vote, Christians, please!

Trump is canvasing for votes among the faithful , as for him supporting the 10 commandments I can think of at least one he's broken.

Regardless of religion, a sound moral framework to teach kids seems like a good idea.
Not sure it should be all the 10 commandments, though, but there are some obvious ones that make sense.

originally posted by: SteamyAmerican

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Disgusted123
I find it odd that ANYONE would find this a good idea.

We all know this opens up a HUGE can of worms. Just like overturning Roe V Wade.

But CHAOS is all Republicans have to offer. Well, except for hate.

a reply to: UKTruth

You just emphasised my point by bringing up Roe vs Wade being overturned.
It was overturned precisely because the 1970s decision was not supported by the US Constitution.
So, basterdise the Constitution when it suits and then complain when someone else does it.

Yeah.

That’s a pretty good point there.

But certain folk often do this exact kinda thing.

And no I don’t agree with Trump promoting it for various reasons. Sure I don’t like him. But that doesn’t really apply here.

However. The main one being I would disavow it just as much as if he preached the Koran from the White House, or made the 1,000 gods mandated in order to pass a driver test at the DMV or made Buddhists not have to pay income taxes.

I don't agree with it either - but I do agree that kids need to be given a moral framework. I mean 'though shall not kill' seems to be a pretty acceptable message, for example. Just leave the religion to the side and focus on right vs wrong in society.

a reply to: Degradation33

I find it odd Trump supports this. I can't wrap my head around it, honestly. I don't ever remember seeing the Ten Commandments displayed in any school I ever attended back in the 70's. Sure, there were lots of snippets of the Constitution displayed, and often excerpts from the Bill of Rights, but never the Ten Commandments.

The words "Thou shall...", and "Thou shalt not..." don't belong in schools, in my opinion. They belong, if anywhere, in the home with parents (if applicable).

I can't understand why Trump would want to take up this issue, especially now. Being Christian is not a requirement for being an American...so why make it one?

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Degradation33

President Donald Trump told a group of evangelicals they "cannot afford to sit on the sidelines" of the 2024 election, imploring them at one point to "go and vote, Christians, please!

Trump is canvasing for votes among the faithful , as for him supporting the 10 commandments I can think of at least one he's broken.

Regardless of religion, a sound moral framework to teach kids seems like a good idea.
Not sure it should be all the 10 commandments, though, but there are some obvious ones that make sense.

There are still rules in school.

If you go to a vast majority of schools in the US, you’d still get in trouble for stealing.

But in terms of a broad moral compass, some of them aren’t relevant to people who are atheist, agnostic, or subscribe to a different religion. The following for instance.

You shall have no other gods before Me.

You shall not make idols.

You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

I went to public school, and we learned creationism along side the theory of evolution. We learned about several religions with a focus on Christianity given its cultural importance here.

I don’t see an issue with these things being taught. I think it’s a little bit different though when a state starts to imply that this is the “right way”. For one, we have a rule about separation between church and state, we also have freedom of and from religion.

The left and the right need to stop politicizing ideology being forced or suggested in schools. I know the left has been the frequent offender. But the way to counter that isn’t to say “you started it, so I’m doing it now too”.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Degradation33

President Donald Trump told a group of evangelicals they "cannot afford to sit on the sidelines" of the 2024 election, imploring them at one point to "go and vote, Christians, please!

Trump is canvasing for votes among the faithful , as for him supporting the 10 commandments I can think of at least one he's broken.

Regardless of religion, a sound moral framework to teach kids seems like a good idea.
Not sure it should be all the 10 commandments, though, but there are some obvious ones that make sense.

There are still rules in school.

If you go to a vast majority of schools in the US, you’d still get in trouble for stealing.

But in terms of a broad moral compass, some of them aren’t relevant to people who are atheist, agnostic, or subscribe to a different religion. The following for instance.

You shall have no other gods before Me.

You shall not make idols.

You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

I went to public school, and we learned creationism along side the theory of evolution. We learned about several religions with a focus on Christianity given its cultural importance here.

I don’t see an issue with these things being taught. I think it’s a little bit different though when a state starts to imply that this is the “right way”. For one, we have a rule about separation between church and state, we also have freedom of and from religion.

The left and the right need to stop politicizing ideology being forced or suggested in schools. I know the left has been the frequent offender. But the way to counter that isn’t to say “you started it, so I’m doing it now too”.

I agree with you.
That's why I menationed 'regardless of religion'.
Just simply teach kids right from wrong.
I am not sure this is done well in schools TBH.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Degradation33

President Donald Trump told a group of evangelicals they "cannot afford to sit on the sidelines" of the 2024 election, imploring them at one point to "go and vote, Christians, please!

Trump is canvasing for votes among the faithful , as for him supporting the 10 commandments I can think of at least one he's broken.

Regardless of religion, a sound moral framework to teach kids seems like a good idea.
Not sure it should be all the 10 commandments, though, but there are some obvious ones that make sense.

What’s wrong with the Golden Rule.

It shows up in every religion in different formats.

A couple years ago Xbox encouraged users to play with people and treat them according to the Platinum Rule.

I was like WTF is this BS? Turns out it means you ought to treat people the way they WANT to be treated.

I was like, ah yes, well here I am a whiskey drinking, meat-eating heterosexual white male. Guess I should start shouting that from the rooftops and see how well that works out for me Microsoft….

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

"Thou wilt" is the hot trend for humanity in this 'modern' era.

Most are unknowingly practicing tenets of The Thelemic Order of the Golden Dawn. Lol

a reply to: UKTruth

Depends on the school.

It’s no secret not every school district was created equally.

But I’d be willing to bet that a vast majority of non inner city schools have a pretty robust code of conduct.

I know in the district I went to the students and parents have to sign something saying they read and acknowledge those rules.

If you lie to a teacher or administrator, you’re likely to get in trouble. If you steal, you’re going to be in a lot of trouble (even legal if it’s something of value). If you get caught with drugs, that’s a guarantee that the resource officer (police) is in the office with you, and charges are likely to be issued then and there.

My school already taught creationism, had a library with several copies of the Bible, and Christian groups one could join. It was a public school in a decent sized city (though it did rank well above average for the nation).

The Ten Commandments to me is just another social wedge issue. About half of it is irrelevant outside the context of religion or for school kids.

Tactically for Trump, I think it does more harm than good. My guess is he doesn’t need to aim for the Christian vote that much. I don’t think there’s as many swing voters there as going after the broader independents. The latter being more likely to disagree than agree with this one.

a reply to: Degradation33

Take the God part out of the Ten Commandments and rename it the Eight Principles to Live By. Do you think people will still have a problem with that?

I do because people today seem to have a problem with everything. They have a problem with not having a problem it seems.

Trump is just pandering for votes like everyone who runs for office.

a reply to: UKTruth

The Constitution is a living document that needs to constantly be updated.

If we strictly adhered to The Constitution and never updated it, we'd have no abolition of slavery and no women's rights... just like in Bible times.

Actually makes sense why some conservatives want this.

originally posted by: Disgusted123
So when a first grader asks, "What is adultery", should the teacher explain it's when Trump has sex on his third wife with a porn star and then pays hush money to cover it up to win an election?

Well as long as the teacher explains that forcible rape is what Clinton did to a staffer. Or what Kennedy did by going down secret tunnels to have sex with MM and others, and who knows what Obama has done in his past too. Might as well throw in what pedophile tendencies look like using Biden as the example, and that is the tip of the iceberg looking back in our government at all levels.

Also, you can explain what the statement "Trump lives rent-free in your head" means with you being the example of that to the children.

originally posted by: watchitburn

Lots of kids today have never been told not to lie, cheat, or steal and it shows.

I think they could call it the code of ethics and take out the religious part. The 10 codes of ethics would be nice.

originally posted by: TinfoilTophat

The Constitution is a living document that needs to constantly be updated.

OMFG, no it isn't. That is why our forefathers made it so damn hard to change or add to. Could you imagine anyone comes into office and then just deciding what the Constitution should say? Treat it like we can change with Executive Orders.

I'm assuming you are liberal, so would you like Trump to have the editor's pen?

originally posted by: Disgusted123
I find it odd that ANYONE would find this a good idea.

We all know this opens up a HUGE can of worms. Just like overturning Roe V Wade.

But CHAOS is all Republicans have to offer. Well, except for hate.

a reply to: UKTruth

So, it's ok to teach a 5 year old how to masturbate.
It's ok to have drag queens come in to schools.
It's ok they take kids to drag shows.
It's ok to put books in schools that are undeniably pornographic, to the point that, if a parent reads them out loud to the school board they are forced to leave.


But the 10 Commandments are just too much.
....and as far as hate from Republicans....you know we all have seen your post history, right ?

From BOTH your accounts.