Global Flood explains Oil Deposits and Geological layers

a reply to: FarmerSimulation
I guess that would explain why there are so many blue eyed blondes and gingers in those places.

2nd.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

The idea that modern Egyptology is a cover-up of Hyksos influence and historical significance is not supported by mainstream historical and archaeological learnings.

Egyptology is the study of ancient Egyptian history, language, literature, religion, and art, and it has been a well-established field for centuries.

Apparently, the Hyksos were a group of people who invaded and ruled parts of Egypt during the Second Intermediate Period (circa 1650–1550 BCE).

While their rule had a significant impact on Egypt, it is not accurate to claim that Egyptology is covering up their influence considering egyptologists have actively studied and researched the Hyksos period.

Same with your claim that of a "dark period" in ancient Egyptian history following the biblical figure Noah which is also not supported by mainstream historical or archaeological evidence.

www.britannica.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...#:~:text=1638%E2%80%931530%20BCE.,Egyptian%20and%20Near%20Eastern%20elements.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

The dark period of Egypt history of 400 years happened after Noah.

It was actually LACK OF WATER that caused The Old Kingdom's downfall. Drought corroborated by the ancient Chinese, Akkadian, and Egyptian. All had downfalls around 2200-2100 BCE.

When the Nile stopped its flood to coincided will the rising of Sirius they fell apart. Down to a trickle. Kinda hard to live in The Freaking Sahara or Arabian desert around the only available Freshwater if it doesn't exist anymore.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Starting around 2200 BC, it probably lasted the entire 22nd century BC. It has been hypothesised to have caused the collapse of the Old Kingdom in Egypt, the Akkadian Empire in Mesopotamia, and the Liangzhu culture in the lower Yangtze River area.

This meteorological event was preceded by inverse wetter than average conditions. Like a Northern hemisphere El Nino/La Nina event (which may be Milankovitch cycle related) that caused a prolonged period of global flooding events prior to a prolonged drought.

The Greet Flood also differs in China. It is recognized as a double river overflow/land inundation, and occured from 2300-2200 BCE. 100 years after the unfounded 2400 bible flood but before the droughts of the 2100s.

Yu The Great's legend was born because he figured out how to build levees. But nothing about God or animals. Though the Chinese did have a great flood. Once more, they recognized it as climate related.

The dates are all between 2700 BCE and 2200 BCE for most of the first written flood accounts worldwide.

** You can forgive the 2nd temple jews for f*cking up trying to amalgamate all the great historical stories into a single story, sometimes thousands of years after being recorded. Genesis wasn't even written first. After Deuteronomy actually. Most of the Pentateuch is a post-exilic composition.

On the basis of a variety of arguments, modern scholars generally see the completed Torah as a product of the time of the Persian Achaemenid Empire (probably 450–350 BCE), although some would place its composition in the Hellenistic period (333–164 BCE).

Obviously, with that much time to account for, they didn't have the best continuity director when TOTALLY RETCONING HISTORY to that point.

originally posted by: andy06shake

I'm sorry, but that statement is not accurate either.

Butterflies are indeed animals, more specifically, they are insects belonging to the order of "Lepidoptera".

Animals are a highly diverse group you see ranging from simple invertebrates like sponges and worms to complex vertebrates such as mammals, birds, and reptiles ""Butterflies"", ""termites"", and humans, but to name a few.

I was going off the biblical description, but yeah "creeping things" are considered insects, my mistake. Good thing theyre so small it wouldn't really take up much space at all.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: cooperton
The animals, as they went back home without humans, what did they eat?

seeds survive flood waters and make plants rather quickly in the fresh mud once the waters subside

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: cooperton
The animals, as they went back home without humans, what did they eat?

seeds survive flood waters and make plants rather quickly in the fresh mud once the waters subside

But the mud would be too salty to grow anything salt does not evaporate nothing would have grown .

Any soil with a pH value above 7.0 is “alkaline” and any soil that contains high soluble salt content is said to contain “alkali”, but either condition can exist, and often does, independent of the other. Therefore, both measurements (pH and EC) are required to know which terms apply.

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher

But the mud would be too salty to grow anything salt does not evaporate nothing would have grown .

Maybe at lower elevations near where the ocean once resided. Regardless, rainfall cleans the soil of the salt relatively quickly. It's not like salt is insoluble and permanent, it is soluble and will be washed into deeper layers.

Not to mention some plants thrive in saline soil, so they would probably have been the first to sprout at the lower elevations where salt was more concentrated in the waters

a reply to: cooperton

Good thing theyre so small it wouldn't really take up much space at all.

Your recognising the limitation through not all animals are so small.

Logistically cooperton its just not tenable or in any way viable to store two of every animal on Earth on a wooden boat about 450ft long or thereabouts.

Also how would they have got there considering the majority would have had to cross continents and oceans to reach Noahs Ark in the first place?

It's sheer madness cooperton you must recognise that fact?

a reply to: cooperton
Not quick enough in that limited area to feed two of each herbivore supposedly on the ark.

And the rest of the earth would be salted.

It just doesn't add up no matter how hard you cherry pick.

originally posted by: cooperton
Regardless, rainfall cleans the soil of the salt relatively quickly.

But then you have to take into account the time needed for the plants to grow. You have two of each animal that needs feeding and fresh water from day one and after a flood like that you would have neither.

I don't mean to be a broken record, but I haven't gotten an answer on the boat logistics, kinda invalidates everything else if you're trying to move a city with a radio flyer wagon.

So before we rape earth science anymore, let's clear up the very fundamental problems facing this narrative. If you want to say it's truth, start at cubit one.

Ark is biblically stated to be 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, and 30 cubits high.

Noahs Ark dimensions = 450 ft long, 75 ft wide, and 45 ft high or 1,518,750 cubic feet of volume.

Titanic dimensions = 883 ft long, 93 ft wide, and 104 ft tall (175 with funnels) or 8,540,376 cubic feet of volume.

So...

How do you put all that on a boat with LESS THAN ⅕ (17%) THE AREA BY VOLUME of Titanic?

There are two boats at our cruise ship terminal right now bigger than Noah's Ark. And they only fit a few thousand fat people.

Was it a magical boat with the spacial rules of The TARDIS? It has to be a really magical boat, because 1.2 million (identified species, with 8.7 million estimated) and 420,000 species of plant is not fitting on something literally smaller than James Cameron's 3/4 Scale Titanic replica.

a reply to: Degradation33

Bingo!

Short of Noah's Ark being akin to Newton Scamander's magic suitcase.

Or some sort of mini-pocket universe.

It's not bloody likely and people who choose to take the tale literally obviously do so via their own volition and because they refuse, or are rather unable, to question the Bible.

originally posted by: andy06shake

Your recognising the limitation through not all animals are so small.

Logistically cooperton its just not tenable or in any way viable to store two of every animal on Earth on a wooden boat about 450ft long or thereabouts.

Also how would they have got there considering the majority would have had to cross continents and oceans to reach Noahs Ark in the first place?

It's sheer madness cooperton you must recognise that fact?

We don't know what pre-flood landscape was, it may have been like pangea. Why would bugs be hard to carry in an ark? 5000 regular land animals would each have more than 300 square feet of room.

a reply to: cooperton

Umn 5000 ? Try a few million.

I'm done your just trying to keep this thread going the science has been proven beyond doubt.

a reply to: cooperton

We don't know what pre-flood landscape was

Could that be because there was no global flood or evidence to suggest that there was?

it may have been like pangea.

My understanding is that the time of Noahs Ark would be around 4,000 to 5,000 years ago.

You do realise that the last time Earth had a supercontinent was during the late Paleozoic and early Mesozoic eras.

Which would be approximately 335 to 175 million years ago.

Why would bugs be hard to carry in an ark?

But its not merely bugs that are of concern.

5000 regular land animals would each have more than 300 square feet of room.

Can i ask how you come to such a conclusion?

And also do you really imagine you are factoring in all the requirements and variables?

Also, what constitutes a regular land animal?

And the 5000 number seems rather small, im sure there were more than 5000 species of animals around back then.

originally posted by: Degradation33

Species is not the same as 'kind' in the Bible. There's probably only about 5000 different kinds of animals, not including insects. All the different species of wolves would just be wolf-kind

originally posted by: andy06shake

"5000 regular land animals would each have more than 300 square feet of room."

Can i ask how you come to such a conclusion?

1.8 million cubic feet, divided by 5000 animal couples.

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
a reply to: cooperton

Umn 5000 ? Try a few million.

There's millions of "species", not 'kinds' of animals. The vernacular is different, 'kind' would be equivalent to the biological taxon of 'family'

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

The dark period of Egypt history of 400 years happened after Noah.

It was actually LACK OF WATER that caused The Old Kingdom's downfall. Drought corroborated by the ancient Chinese, Akkadian, and Egyptian. All had downfalls around 2200-2100 BCE.

When the Nile stopped its flood to coincided will the rising of Sirius they fell apart. Down to a trickle. Kinda hard to live in The Freaking Sahara or Arabian desert around the only available Freshwater if it doesn't exist anymore.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Starting around 2200 BC, it probably lasted the entire 22nd century BC. It has been hypothesised to have caused the collapse of the Old Kingdom in Egypt, the Akkadian Empire in Mesopotamia, and the Liangzhu culture in the lower Yangtze River area.

This meteorological event was preceded by inverse wetter than average conditions. Like a Northern hemisphere El Nino/La Nina event (which may be Milankovitch cycle related) that caused a prolonged period of global flooding events prior to a prolonged drought.

The Greet Flood also differs in China. It is recognized as a double river overflow/land inundation, and occured from 2300-2200 BCE. 100 years after the unfounded 2400 bible flood but before the droughts of the 2100s.

Yu The Great's legend was born because he figured out how to build levees. But nothing about God or animals. Though the Chinese did have a great flood. Once more, they recognized it as climate related.

The dates are all between 2700 BCE and 2200 BCE for most of the first written flood accounts worldwide.

** You can forgive the 2nd temple jews for f*cking up trying to amalgamate all the great historical stories into a single story, sometimes thousands of years after being recorded. Genesis wasn't even written first. After Deuteronomy actually. Most of the Pentateuch is a post-exilic composition.

On the basis of a variety of arguments, modern scholars generally see the completed Torah as a product of the time of the Persian Achaemenid Empire (probably 450–350 BCE), although some would place its composition in the Hellenistic period (333–164 BCE).

Obviously, with that much time to account for, they didn't have the best continuity director when TOTALLY RETCONING HISTORY to that point.

Before the flood everything historically was passed on orally.
The mazzaroth was said to have been derived from Adam, Seth and Enoch.
The mazzoroth came long before astrology which came out of babylon and Persia.
It tells a story using the constellations 180* of the astrological charts from which constellation begins and ends.
Each constellation had 12 decans that surrounded it each also telling a story that completes the storyline for each constellation.
If I remember correctly the mazzaroth begins with the maiden(virgo) and ends with the hero conquering.

This is the source for the stories remembered orally and passed down of Genesis.
Weird how after about 5000-6000 years later and us orbiting the sun at 67,000 mph and spinning at 1000 mph all the constellations and all 144 decans are still there to tell the same story today.
With all the celestial chaos uou would think something got shifted or set off.

Yashua Himself taught in Aramaic as it was a language that was poetic and used for memorizing teaching from rabbis orally.

**BTW you are correct about the second temple jews, who were edomites and kenites who were the Temple scribes.
They messed around alot with reinterpreting scripture. If indeed Jeremiah placed the original ark and holy of holies furniture and the ten commandment stones in a cave just before the king of babylon Nebuchadnezzar invaded.
The 2nd temple never once housed the Ark of the Covenant.
When the vail was ripped in 2 this became exposed to all when Yashua was sacrificed upon the cross, the lamb of God.
The final blood sacrifice and propitiation for sin.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: FarmerSimulation
I guess that would explain why there are so many blue eyed blondes and gingers in those places.

2nd.

No.
Just the leadership that organized civilization.
Like the Macedonians.
Guatama Buddha was blue eyed.
Cleopatra blue eyed.
Alexander the great Macedonian I believe.
Mohammed pale red headed
Attila the hun blue eyed.
Ghengis khan white hair blue eyed.
Quetzecotl blonde blue eyed.
That's off the top of my head as I have been driving and still a ways to go.

Just look to who brought the horses to each culture like the scythians.

The Aryan that came from the caucuses and went to Persia and from there just about everywhere including the Levant.
I thought a few years ago it started in Canaan and moved East and up into the steppes.
But it started close to Mt. Ararat where the boat landed in the caucuses region.