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originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
a reply to: cooperton
But organic material floats. How did it get under the mud if it was deposited in a general all over flood? It would have settled at or near the top of the mud.Where did the mud come from in the volume needed for this to occured? Were there mountains ten miles high all over the contents before the great flood?
Just asking.
originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
a reply to: cooperton
But organic material floats. How did it get under the mud if it was deposited in a general all over flood? It would have settled at or near the top of the mud.Where did the mud come from in the volume needed for this to occured? Were there mountains ten miles high all over the contents before the great flood?
Just asking.
originally posted by: Ohanka
What happened to all the flood water then?
originally posted by: cooperton
originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
a reply to: cooperton
But organic material floats. How did it get under the mud if it was deposited in a general all over flood? It would have settled at or near the top of the mud.Where did the mud come from in the volume needed for this to occured? Were there mountains ten miles high all over the contents before the great flood?
Just asking.
Some times yeah, and I think that would be why there are so many fossils that are so close to the surface. But freshly dead animals don't usually float, it's only once they start to decompose in a certain way that they become buoyant. Also not all wood floats, it depends on density.
But now imagine, for example, the amazon rainforest getting covered in a mile-high layer of mud. There would be tons and tons of organic matter trapped underneath the mud to be pressed into oil. The rooted plants would allow them to maintain relatively stable as new layers are formed above it. I am picturing the old pre-flood surface of the earth becoming the regions where the oil is most prominently formed
originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
a reply to: cooperton
But organic material floats. How did it get under the mud if it was deposited in a general all over flood? It would have settled at or near the top of the mud.Where did the mud come from in the volume needed for this to occured? Were there mountains ten miles high all over the contents before the great flood?
Just asking.
originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
I can imagine the mud covered Amazon Forrest but can't imagine where the mud came from.
originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
After the volcano blew at Mt. St. Helen's there was a landslide that left 600 feet of sediment.
originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
a reply to: cooperton
But organic material floats. How did it get under the mud if it was deposited in a general all over flood? It would have settled at or near the top of the mud.Where did the mud come from in the volume needed for this to occured? Were there mountains ten miles high all over the contents before the great flood?
Just asking.
After the volcano blew at Mt. St. Helen's there was a landslide that left 600 feet of sediment.
originally posted by: cooperton
originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
I can imagine the mud covered Amazon Forrest but can't imagine where the mud came from.
Probably regions that were normally drier and therefore didn't have as many plants, meaning less roots to solidify the soil, allowing it to be more easily swept up by the waters.
It's well known that the more plants there are with deeper roots, the more erosion resistant that environment is. So the wet climates with vast ecosystems like a rainforest would have been well anchored, while dry regions would have been highly vulnerable to their soil being swept away to other areas.
originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
a reply to: cooperton
But organic material floats. How did it get under the mud if it was deposited in a general all over flood? It would have settled at or near the top of the mud.Where did the mud come from in the volume needed for this to occured? Were there mountains ten miles high all over the contents before the great flood?
Just asking.
After the volcano blew at Mt. St. Helen's there was a landslide that left 600 feet of sediment.
But that only covered a tiny portion of the Earth. Scale matters when you are covering the whole Earth a mile thick.
originally posted by: cooperton
originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
After the volcano blew at Mt. St. Helen's there was a landslide that left 600 feet of sediment.
Nice find. Here's also a video showing just how powerful a flooded river can be:
It's even moving boulders...
Now imagine the whole planet with torrents astronomically stronger than a simple flooded river.
originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
Again, your examples only show local flooding damage. If the water level came up from even rain for 40 days and nights, only the mountains would be affected in that way because the lowlands and coastal areas would already be under water by the time that flooding occured.
Dryer areas have a plants with deep and vast root systems to get her moisture from the soil and hold it together. A rain forest has little root depth because it is not necessary to make deep roots to gather moisture. They even have plants with no roots in the soil
originally posted by: Ohanka
a reply to: cooperton
How did it all drain back in after 40 days? How come it didn't totally trash the planet (geologically speaking of course) coming to the surface?
Clastic dikes (also known as sedimentary dikes) are vertical bodies of sedimentary rock that cut off other rock layers. They can form in two ways:
When shallow unconsolidated sediment is composed of alternating coarse-grained and impermeable clay layers the fluid pressure inside the coarser layers may reach a critical value due to lithostatic overburden. Driven by the fluid pressure the sediment breaks through overlying layers and forms a dike.
When a soil is under permafrost conditions the pore water is totally frozen. When cracks are formed in such rocks, they may fill up with sediments that fall in from above. The result is a vertical body of sediment that cuts through horizontal layers, a dike.
originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: cooperton
Why Cooperton, Why?
This is the thing in academia I am best at, and I will not have you besmirching dykes. I love dykes.
While I am not really disputing what you say, I will insist the existence of dykes does necessarily suggest the dykes became dykes overnight. Some do. Some are caused by fluid injection, but some are passive, and can be formed in tens of thousands of years.
All 5 images are of dykes. All sedimentary.
"Clastic dikes (also known as sedimentary dikes) are vertical bodies of sedimentary rock that cut off other rock layers. They can form in two ways:
When shallow unconsolidated sediment is composed of alternating coarse-grained and impermeable clay layers the fluid pressure inside the coarser layers may reach a critical value due to lithostatic overburden. Driven by the fluid pressure the sediment breaks through overlying layers and forms a dike.
When a soil is under permafrost conditions the pore water is totally frozen. When cracks are formed in such rocks, they may fill up with sediments that fall in from above. The result is a vertical body of sediment that cuts through horizontal layers, a dike."
The fastest forming dykes are actually magmatic (motlen) dykes, or the fluid injected sedimentary ones.
We have a lot of dykes in California, the ground moves along, and there's a lot of erosion for new grooves to be filled by new dyke formation.
In geology, such fossils are referred to as either upright fossil trunks, upright fossil trees, or T0 assemblages. According to mainstream models of sedimentary environments, they are formed by rare to infrequent brief episodes of rapid sedimentation separated by long periods of either slow deposition, nondeposition, or a combination of both.
Upright fossils typically occur in layers associated with an actively subsiding coastal plain or rift basin, or with the accumulation of volcanic material around a periodically erupting stratovolcano. Typically, this period of rapid sedimentation was followed by a period of time - decades to thousands of years long - characterized by very slow or no accumulation of sediments. In river deltas and other coastal-plain settings, rapid sedimentation is often the end result of a brief period of accelerated subsidence of an area of coastal plain relative to sea level caused by salt tectonics, global sea-level rise, growth faulting, continental margin collapse, or some combination of these factors.
originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: cooperton
I totally misread you and my eyes suck.
The trees actually grow into the cracks and form almost exactly like sedimentary dykes. Sorry to give you crap.
And then erodes away and looks trippy.
"In geology, such fossils are referred to as either upright fossil trunks, upright fossil trees, or T0 assemblages. According to mainstream models of sedimentary environments, they are formed by rare to infrequent brief episodes of rapid sedimentation separated by long periods of either slow deposition, nondeposition, or a combination of both"