Global Flood explains Oil Deposits and Geological layers

a reply to: Freeborn

I've got my green anorak and HNS specs on today if that counts.

Probably give the likes of Adrian Mole(Mind him?) a run for his money.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Attention cooperton .... you failed to adequately address the Egypt information and the China information. Address the Panda Bears.

PANDA BEARS

This would be like asking where the asian humans were kept on the ark. When the populations of animals dispersed they gave rise to different varieties of those organisms. Just like the differences between Asian and Africans, soo too are pandas and other bears. The same thing that allele drift did with skin tone in humans.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: cooperton

Im afraid the Earth is shaped like an oblate spheroid and exists in 3 dimensions just like ourselves.

You're not frozen in time, you're a 4D being too. Adding time as the 4th dimension allows a better representation of the cosmos, and applied to earth this would make sense since it's a sphere (perfect symmetrically curved spacetime). The oblate part is theoretical, I don't believe it's been tested. Given the discrepancies with gravitational theory, you can't really make that assumption with such certainty, Einstein's theory is more relevant than Newtonian gravity day-by-day.

originally posted by: cooperton
This would be like asking where the asian humans were kept on the ark. When the populations of animals dispersed they gave rise to different varieties of those organisms. Just like the differences between Asian and Africans, soo too are pandas and other bears. The same thing that allele drift did with skin tone in humans.

That's word salad. Address the Panda Bear questions.
And no, other bears didn't magically morph into Panda Bears later.

PANDA BEARS

Panda bears live in China. They only eat bamboo.
How did Pandas walk all the way from China to the Middle East?
It would have taken years and years and years.
And there is no bamboo on the way. None.
And what did they eat when they got to the Middle East? There is no bamboo there.
And how did Noah get a years worth of bamboo to store for the Pandas on the Ark?
How did he get it to stay fresh for a year on the ark?
When the flood receded, and the pandas got off the ark, what did they eat?
There is no bamboo in the Middle East.
And for that matter, ALL PLANTS would be dead from the flood.
And how did they walk from the Middle East all the way back to China?
That would have taken years and years and years.
And there is no bamboo on the way.
And when they got back to China, what did they eat?
The bamboo would all be dead from the flood. Roots and seeds and plants all dead.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

That's word salad. Address the Panda Bear questions.
And no, other bears didn't magically morph into Panda Bears later.

You'd see a pug and never think it came from a wolf, but it did. It's the same with the varieties bears.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

Panda bears live in China. They only eat bamboo.
How did Pandas walk all the way from China to the Middle East?
It would have taken years and years and years.
And there is no bamboo on the way. None.

Where did you get that wild idea?

Pandas eat fruits, such as apples, mangoes, and berries. Vegetables, such as corn and flowers. Honey and vines. Eggs, small birds, small animals, and some insects.

originally posted by: cooperton
You'd see a pug and never think it came from a wolf, but it did. It's the same with the varieties bears.

No. Pandas didn't come from other bears on Noahs ark. And it takes millions of years for changes to develop .. not a couple thousand.

Ancestors of Giant Pandas

-Pandas in the wild eat bamboo, leaves, eggs, and rodents.
-When Pandas are pregnant, they are known to consume more protein, including lizards!
-Pandas enjoy eating wheat, pumpkins, kidney beans, and livestock feed while in captivity.

World Wildlife Fund - What Do Pandas Eat

Pandas eat almost nothing but bamboo shoots and leaves. Occasionally they eat other vegetation, fish, or small mammals, but bamboo accounts for 99 percent of their diets. Pandas eat fast, they eat a lot, and they spend about 12 hours a day doing it.


Your Noahs Ark story doesn't work.
Pandas destroy it.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: cooperton
You'd see a pug and never think it came from a wolf, but it did. It's the same with the varieties bears.

No. Pandas didn't come from other bears on Noahs ark. And it takes millions of years for changes to develop .. not a couple thousand.

Ancestors of Giant Pandas

Evolutionary speculation is not science. It's like your average stoner (not a ditch against weed, but sometimes those conversations sounds great but are actually baseless) conversation that discusses baseless evolutionary mythos and assume it is fact just because it makes sense at the time. Human footprints in the same strata as dinosaur ruins the entire evolutionary fairy tale.

Pandas eat almost nothing but bamboo shoots and leaves. Occasionally they eat other vegetation, fish, or small mammals, but bamboo accounts for 99 percent of their diets. Pandas eat fast, they eat a lot, and they spend about 12 hours a day doing it.

You're acting as though a panda would die if it didn't have access to bamboo, that's false, they can eat other types of foods, they just prefer bamboo.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

- There is no break in Egyptian history or culture. None.
It is all accounted for during the 2400BC time period. Before it and after it as well.

- The younger dryas was 12000 BC. NOT 2400BC. Two different time periods.

And as for the supposed 'dark period'. No it's not 400 years and it's not a 'black out'. History is accounted for during that time. And that time period is NOT during the Noahs Ark time period.

The First Intermediate Period, described as a 'dark period' in ancient Egyptian history, spanned approximately 125 years, c. 2181–2055 BC, after the end of the Old Kingdom.

I think you dogmatically believe these archaeologists more than they even believe themselves lol. These timeframes are constantly changing, and there's enough different opinions among archaeologists that it is far from 'settled science'.

originally posted by: cooperton
Evolutionary speculation is not science. It's like your average stoner conversation that discusses baseless evolutionary mythos and assume it is fact just because it makes sense at the time.

It's not speculation to state that bears can't magically turn into pandas after a few thousand years. Its' a fact.

You're acting as though a panda would die if it didn't have access to bamboo, that's false, they can eat other types of foods, they just prefer bamboo.

WRONG. 99% of their diet is bamboo. They most certainly will die without it. They can not go their entire life scrounging other food. That's how long they would be without bamboo ... because it would take a lifetime to walk from China to the Middle East and back.

You claim they eat - "apples, mangoes, and berries. Vegetables, such as corn and flowers. Honey and vines. Eggs, small birds, small animals, and some insects." NEWSFLASH .. none of that would be available after the flood. It all would be DEAD AND GONE. Even your false Panda food supply doesn't work. They need BAMBOO and it wouldn't be there. Neither would any of your claimed food supply.

PANDAS KILL THE NOAHS ARK STORY

originally posted by: cooperton
I think you dogmatically believe these archaeologists more than they even believe themselves lol.

YOU dogmatically believe a myth as literal history. Willful ignorance.

These timeframes are constantly changing, and there's enough different opinions among archaeologists that it is far from 'settled science'.

No. Scientists and archaeologists are not confusing 12000 BC with 2400 BC. Not even remotely.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
It's not speculation to state that bears can't magically turn into pandas after a few thousand years. Its' a fact.

If a wolf can turn into a pug in a hundred some years then why would you consider it impossible for a bear to also dramatically change its look over thousands of years?

Domesticated animals can drastically change their outward appearance, size, etc. It would be the same with bears that live in different parts of the world. Same with humans and the various microclimates that we have proved capable of living in.

originally posted by: cooperton
If a wolf can turn into a pug in a hundred some years ...

IT CAN NOT.

originally posted by: cooperton
for a bear to also dramatically change its look over thousands of years?

Not 'change look' ... CHANGE SPECIES.

Change look is just changing a breed.
This is changing SPECIES.

There are eight species of bears: the American black bear, the Asiatic black bear, the brown bear, the giant panda, the polar bear, the sloth bear, the spectacled bear, and the sun bear.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
"If a wolf can turn into a pug in a hundred some years "

IT CAN NOT.

Are you proposing pugs formed in the wild?

They're obviously a result of domestication, their lineage can be traced back to wolves. They are still technically canids.

originally posted by: FlyersFan


Not 'change look' ... CHANGE SPECIES.

Change look is just changing a breed.
This is changing SPECIES.

Pugs are still canis lupus. Yet they are drastically different in looks than wolves. There's no reason to suppose bears wouldn't have the same sort of variability depending on their environment.

originally posted by: cooperton

Are you proposing pugs formed in the wild?

They're obviously a result of domestication, their lineage can be traced back to wolves. They are still technically canids.

You said in 'hundreds of years'.
A wolf can not become a pug in hundreds of years.
That's absurd.
It took 15,000 years to breed wolves into dogs.
And then even longer to go from 'dogs' to the breeds we have today.

YOU ARE WRONG.

originally posted by: cooperton
There's no reason to suppose bears wouldn't have the same sort of variability depending on their environment.

Giant pandas evolved 20 million years ago. Not 4,000 years ago.

YOU ARE WRONG

originally posted by: FlyersFan
PANDAS KILL THE NOAHS ARK STORY

Actually, all the animals that don't eat marine animals would do that. What did all the herbivores eat, what did the carnivores eat if there were only two of each animal?

I'm guessing OP is going to bust out the manna from heaven card.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

You said in 'hundreds of years'.
A wolf can not become a pug in hundreds of years.
That's absurd.
It took 15,000 years to breed wolves into dogs.
And then even longer to go from 'dogs' to the breeds we have today.

YOU ARE WRONG.

breathe bro, breathe, please.

a new dog breed can be made in 30 to 50 years

originally posted by: daskakik
Actually, all the animals that don't eat marine animals would do that. What did all the herbivores eat, what did the carnivores eat if there were only two of each animal?

I'm guessing OP is going to bust out the manna from heaven card.

vegetables and certain fruits can last for prolonged periods of time. Take for example the carob fruit, it can last for over a year. There's also seaweed and other types of foliage from their nets.

originally posted by: cooperton
breathe bro, breathe, please.

Shut up.

a new dog breed can be made in 30 to 50 years

That's creating new BREEDS of DOGS. That's not NATURALLY and UNMANIPULATED going from WOLF to DOG to PUG, having breeding being manipulated by humans. It took 15,000 years for humans with MANIPULATION to breed wolves into dogs. And then even longer to go from generic 'dogs' to the breeds we have today.

And there is no evidence that wolves would breed into dogs naturally without human interference in the breeding. And most definitely not naturally happening in a few hundred years - a process that takes over 15,000 years even with human manipulation.

YOU ARE WRONG