Global Flood explains Oil Deposits and Geological layers

a reply to: cooperton

Yeah so what's the empirical evidence that supports this timeline? Show what the Egyptian record says, not the extrapolation of archaeologists. Do you understand the importance of empirical evidence? I'm not being snide, I genuinely don't think you know the difference between the opinion of historians and the history itself, or the opinion of scientists and the science itself.

And I don't think you know what evidence is other than what a magical book tells you.
History is full of corroborating evidence from the Greeks, Romans, Persians and so on and so fourth with archeological evidence to match that.
You keep claiming the flood myth is a global story but none of those stories match. Just in the middle east the story and time vary.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: purplemer

ALREADY SAID .. it was a LOCAL flood. People survived to tell the tale. The dynasty was unbroken. Plenty of people around to have a dynasty to rule over. This proves Noahs Flood, as the Bible describes it, did not happen.

Meh, I think i'll believe our ancestors rather than your speculation.

originally posted by: Kurokage
And I don't think you know what evidence is other than what a magical book tells you.

Empirical evidence, such as polystrate fossils, shows the baseless evolutionary timeline is false.

You keep claiming the flood myth is a global story but none of those stories match. Just in the middle east the story and time vary.

Not true, the Peruvians, across the ocean from the middle east, have the same story of a global flood and date it to approximately 2300 BC as well. The Peruvian global flood account was recorded by the Incan Historian Fernando de Montesinos to have occurred around 340 years prior to the conclusion of the second sun in 1,957 BC, which is 2,297 BC according to the Gregorian Calendar source. Again, this is very close to the Hebrew, Mesopotamian and Chinese date for the global flood.

a reply to: cooperton
This argument is so stupid. According to the Noah story everyone else but Noah and his family died yet here you are thinking stories of survivors from other parts of the planet give merit to the story when in fact they debunk it.

Empirical evidence, such as polystrate fossils, shows the baseless evolutionary timeline is false.

a reply to: cooperton

Here we go again with your pesudo science...

Again, your misunderstanding of the actual science, is substituted with your religious science to fit the myths

A polystrate fossil is a fossil of a single organism (such as a tree trunk) that extends through more than one geological stratum. The word polystrate is not a standard geological term. This term is typically found in creationist publications. This term is typically applied to "fossil forests" of upright fossil tree trunks

Not true, the Peruvians, across the ocean from the middle east, have the same story of a global flood and date it to approximately 2300 BC as well.

So the Peruviens were Jews? God saved them to as well as Noah. Oh, and also the Chinese and the summerians and Babaylonians?

originally posted by: daskakik
According to the Noah story everyone else but Noah and his family died yet here you are thinking stories of survivors from other parts of the planet give merit to the story when in fact they debunk it.

Yeah because Noah had kids and they obviously would migrate throughout the earth remembering the story that their forefathers told them.

a reply to: purplemer

Sorry but it wasn't a global flood.

originally posted by: Kurokage
Here we go again with your pesudo science...

Again, your misunderstanding of the actual science, is substituted with your religious science to fit the myths

"A polystrate fossil is a fossil of a single organism (such as a tree trunk) that extends through more than one geological stratum. The word polystrate is not a standard geological term. This term is typically found in creationist publications. This term is typically applied to "fossil forests" of upright fossil tree trunks"

Lol why do you think it's pseudoscience? You can go and see them for yourselves. You're just coping that this is clear evidence against a slow deposition rate for geological layers.

"Not true, the Peruvians, across the ocean from the middle east, have the same story of a global flood and date it to approximately 2300 BC as well."

So the Peruviens were Jews? God saved them to as well as Noah. Oh, and also the Chinese and the summerians and Babaylonians?

Most of the children of Shem (Shemites/Semites) stayed in the middle east although they could have been the ones who crossed the Bering Strait, but it also could have been the children of Ham or Japheth..

a reply to: cooperton

Yeah because Noah had kids and they obviously would migrate throughout the earth remembering the story that their forefathers told them.

But again, your wrong. The Summerian Flood myth happened in 2900 BCE, before Noahs rip off version..

a reply to: cooperton
Wouldn't we all look alike if that were the case?

GTFO with these weak arguments.

originally posted by: Kurokage

But again, your wrong. The Summerian Flood myth happened in 2900 BCE, before Noahs rip off version..

Bro I am sorry it's hard to take your opinion seriously when you don't know how to spell the name of the culture lol. At first you called them summarians, and it's still not summerians, you're adding an extra 'm'. It is obviously inconsequential but it just shows how superficial your understanding of any of this is, and you do a quick google search and claim to 'know' something.

Regardless, We can estimate the date of the global flood as told in the Epic of Gilgamesh and 2,900 BC does not make sense. In this Mesopotamian account of the global flood, Gilgamesh was said to have slain the celestial bull


(terra cotta image estimated from between 2,250 - 1,900BC)

The celestial bull is a clear reference to the constellation Taurus. slaying the celestial bull is an allusion to the end of the age of Taurus, which occurred around 2,300BC, which matches the Hebrew account.

a reply to: cooperton

Lol why do you think it's pseudoscience? You can go and see them for yourselves. You're just coping that this is clear evidence against a slow deposition rate for geological layers.

There's plenty of evidence that a polystrate fossil is a fossil of a single organism (such as a tree trunk) that extends through more than one geological stratum.
You just chose not to see it and believe in magical fairy dust and myths from books. It's called pesudo-science because it's written by people trying to cover the real facts with religious rubbish.

And again with the attemps at bashing people for posting links and quotes of real science. Just because you refuse to credit anyone you copy off and claim it's all your own work doesn't make you right.

a reply to: cooperton

Bro I am sorry it's hard to take your opinion seriously when you don't know how to spell the name of the culture lol.

Ahhhh, poor didums has to be grammar Nazi to prove how awesome he is. Is God taking score?

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: cooperton
Wouldn't we all look alike if that were the case?

GTFO with these weak arguments.

This is the allele distribution for skin color. Given certain environmental cues, skin tone can adapt to various environments with allele drift over time. This should not be confused with evolution, because these alleles are already existent within the genome.

When Japheth migrated north through the Caucus mountains, he gave rise to a whiter skin toned people due to the less annual sunlight in more northern latitudes through the Caucus mountains. This is the origin of the white caucasian race.

Ham migrated to Africa, being exposed to maximal sunlight his race began an affinity for the darker skin tone alleles and gave rise to the dark skinned African race.

Shem stayed in the middle east, and gave rise to the Semites, the middle-skin tone that we see today.

originally posted by: Kurokage

Ahhhh, poor didums has to be grammar Nazi to prove how awesome he is. Is God taking score?

If you claimed to know Joe Biden but kept spelling his name wrong I would assume you don't know him at all lol.

originally posted by: Kurokage
There's plenty of evidence that a polystrate fossil is a fossil of a single organism (such as a tree trunk) that extends through more than one geological stratum.

What? Yeah that's exactly what i believe, and is consensus among geologists. It's a tree permeating through geological layers. Why do you deny science?

a reply to: cooperton

No the water is in the mantle,.....

But as has been repeatedly pointed out quite clearly by members far more knowledgeable than I on such matters that 'water' is not in the liquid state that we know it.
It is highly pressurised, any release of such 'water' would be explosive on a cataclysmic scale and when transforming to water in its liquid form - if indeed that is possible? - it would be far more voluminous and there would be nowhere for the liquid water to retreat to.

You seem to be conveniently ignoring this?

..... there's likely even more that hasn't been detected yet.

And how do you know that?
Seems like you're desperately clutching at straws, cherry picking some things whilst blatantly ignoring others just to convince yourself that the facts fit your set-in-stone dogma dictated perspective.

If The Bible is to be interpreted literally how can it be missing key facts as you allege?
Or do you get to cherry pick which parts are meant to be interpreted literally and which parts we can add things on and make things up just to make it more believable and viable?

a reply to: cooperton
Weak try as always, it isn't just skin color.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: cooperton
Weak try as always, it isn't just skin color.

Your responses are consistently underwhelming

a reply to: cooperton

Regardless, We can estimate the date of the global flood as told in the Epic of Gilgamesh and 2,900 BC does not make sense.

In your opinion, but it is before Noah and the ark myth. It's that simple.

originally posted by: Freeborn

But as has been repeatedly pointed out quite clearly by members far more knowledgeable than I on such matters that 'water' is not in the liquid state that we know it.


It is highly pressurised, any release of such 'water' would be explosive on a cataclysmic scale and when transforming to water in its liquid form - if indeed that is possible? - it would be far more voluminous and there would be nowhere for the liquid water to retreat to.

An OH- and an H+ ion would have the same density as a water molecule. The reason the hydroxide (OH) presence in these minerals indicates water is because OH- is a classic acid-base reactant-product with water:



So their claim that there is water in this transition zone is due to the inevitability of water's existence given that the OH- hydroxides are bonded to the minerals in that region. It's sort of like a 'where there's smoke there's a fire' scenario.