Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: pigsy2400

Why not take a vhs camera?

30 years ago the domestic camcorder was rather cumbersome, expensive and probably virtually useless at night. That's a minor point to be honest.

The fact is that Robbins has never released that audio tape into the public domain. Not even a snippet to my knowledge. Which I've always found strange. I'm willing to be corrected if someone has a source to the audio of course.

As for the wider story and ufology in general. It seems to me that a lot of genuine UFO stories have been LARPED. by people only too willing to add on bits and pieces to the story to for a career in entertainment. The best known 'ufo media personalities' (mainly in the US) all seem to have fell into this deep end where they end up endlessly discussing theories. But never allowing any case to be solved because of the huge massive cosmic cover-up that is in place.

In fact a lot of UFO cases that people would now consider 'classics' have humble explainable stories. Roswell was almost a none story until 1978. Even Jesse Marcel never mentioned seeing aliens or even a piece of visible parts that might have fell from an ET spacecraft other than unbreakable material (ironically scattered all over the land). Yet now Roswell is the pillar upon which all of ufology stands.

The Battle of LA was war nerves until someone decided it would make a good UFO story in the late 1980s/early 90s. Kecksburg was probably a meteor but transformed by a couple of witnesses coming forward in the late 80s early 90s. Honestly look into the histories of these cases (in fact I've done threads on a few of them) you will find very little to substantiate 'aliens' beyond anecdotal evidence.

Something happened to ufology in the 1980/90ss and something happens to many of the top personalities in the field eventually. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about and I'm sure your thread will expose a lot of it.

originally posted by: pigsy2400
I would bet that the MIC doesn't even have to do much cointelpro as shysters and crooks do the work for them.

I'm not shooting the messenger Defrag, just ranting my frustration at the whole blooming mess...

No worries there mate. Have you read the transcript in Left at East Gate? Send the hairs up on the back of your neck. It does heavily feature BOL, but the interaction moves to lights descending and at one point whizzing around the trees like 'fireworks' (screams of animals thereabouts), the appearance of a wall of white light, then these strange visual features which do seem related to the lights themselves. It's interesting that Peter has written in brackets '[it's not a house]' when editing/transcribing: so what did he think it was? I'd love to hear Peter expand and elaborate on that encounter, and give his theories on events. Aye, it might amount to another radio sideshow, but it might shed light on possible technology use and/or activity in that area.

a reply to: mirageman

those are all great points, it funny in the late 80's to the 90's allot of this strange BOL and black triangle sightings with impressive flight envelopes started to really make their appearances over military bases and over cities foreign and domestic.


personal gain or nation security comes to mind again. Allot of these stories seem to have an unusual media presence and repetition. I think the military would push a story that helped them hid some of their new aircraft and DEW and other types of energy manipulation techniques.

now don't get me wrong there are definitely ALLOT of people out there trying to make a quick buck on some of that UFO cash and fame but one thing i know about the military is that if they want to make a story go away they can and do. So i think that these stories like the cash landrum incident, the needles 'UFO' crash and the strange BOL in antelope valley in california and the TIC-TAC being UFO's the military might go so far as to even push that narrative as to cover their own operations of secret tech.

if there are real ET/ED(Extra terrestrial and extra dimensional) i HIGHLY doubt that the public would ever hear about it unless it was right over a city or on a news broadcast,

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: pigsy2400

Why not take a vhs camera?

Roswell was almost a none story until 1978.

Funny how it kicked off around the time the Stealth disinformation campaign was a thing...

originally posted by: 1ofthe9

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: pigsy2400

Why not take a vhs camera?

Roswell was almost a none story until 1978.

Funny how it kicked off around the time the Stealth disinformation campaign was a thing...

On the particulars of stealth type aircraft and design, the 1973-1974 Design of Teledyne Ryan, Unproduced RPV and apparent Astra/Manta/Aurora type are all very similar. www.dtic.mil... pdf page 39

a reply to: mirageman

He was definitely talking woo, woo physics theory as if it is proven science. He also talked about what sounded like 'radar decoys' . But was totally unaware of Project Palladium

Yes. But there is a difference between Palladium methods and plasma decoy methods.

Palladium used a system that would give the enemy radars multiple false targets or radar glitches.

Plasma decoy methods as in this following link differ from this.

By using a powerful laser and a converging lens, it is possible to ionise air locally at the point of focusing. If, for example, the lens has a focal distance of 1 metre, a bubble of plasma forms itself "miraculously" at a distance of 1 metre from the lens and seems to float in the air. By using an infrared laser, the rays of which are normally invisible to the naked eye, the result is very spectacular. But in order to project this "UFO" at great distance, it would be necessary to use a very powerful laser and a lens capable of focusing at the distance of projection. It is, therefore, more efficient to use a matrix of lasers converging towards a given point in the sky. The first high energy lasers worked by means of carbon dioxide (CO2) and within the infrared scale. They appeared in the United States in 1968. The CO2 was inserted at one end of the laser while the residual non-toxic gases were expelled on the other side. The first attempt to convert this into a transportable weapon was carried out by the US Army. Towards the middle of the seventies, a CO2 laser with a power of 30 kilowatts was mounted on a caterpillar-tracked vehicle LVTP-7 so as to create a "Mobile Test Unit". At the end of the seventies, the German Diehl company came up with a similar prototype, the HELEX (High Energy Laser Experimental). It consisted of a 28-ton armoured vehicle intended to carry a high energy CO2 laser with a power of several megawatts, whose range in clear weather would have reached 10 kilometres (fig. 11-a). The required consumption of CO2 would allow up to 50 laser shots at each sortie.

www.ovnis-armee.org...

originally posted by: AdamE

originally posted by: 1ofthe9

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: pigsy2400

Why not take a vhs camera?

Roswell was almost a none story until 1978.

Funny how it kicked off around the time the Stealth disinformation campaign was a thing...

On the particulars of stealth type aircraft and design, the 1973-1974 Design of Teledyne Ryan, Unproduced RPV and apparent Astra/Manta/Aurora type are all very similar. www.dtic.mil... pdf page 39

some very interesting mock-ups in there

a reply to: AdamE

True.

What was rather irksome about Keech was how he spoke assertively like everything he said was absolute fact. SImilar to when the Jehovah witness try to give you a copy of 'All Along the WatchTower'' (or whatever that ragmag of theirs' is called) passing it all off as gospel truth. Thank god they're a dying breed hey!

On a previous radio show Keech was effusing about how humanity was the genetic relation of a number of alien races. So at the moment his credibility remains extremely questionable to me. They say you are what you eat. At the moment I think he may have a fondness for fruitcake.



However the satellite theory does have some credibility.

Do you have any thoughts that way Adam?

a reply to: mirageman

Are we really giving Keech air time ?

a reply to: Baablacksheep

You can send him some fruitcake if you like.

a reply to: mirageman

I don't think he needs anymore.

a reply to: mirageman

However the satellite theory does have some credibility. Do you have any thoughts that way Adam?

I think the satellite theory is worth holding onto as I am looking into the human cause of events.

I think we can all agree that we cannot find the final destination of this satellite.

Also many links appear as error 404 which is a good sign, in this respect.

Disseminating and presenting ideas and evidence to counter some of the claims is warranted of course.

Opinions are great, but ridicule is not the answer.

RADIO SCIENCE Journal of Research NBS/USNC- URSI
Vo!' 69D, No.2, February 1965
Radar Cross Sections of Plasma Bodies at the Plasma Frequency

The radar cross section of plasma bodies at a frequency equal to the plasma frequency is controlled by means of the loss mechanism. The manner in which it is controlled is to be demonstrated in this paper by

nvlpubs.nist.gov...

Trying to get my head around this. I'll be back.

a reply to: AdamE

The big question for me is why anyone would want to retrieve the satellite.

- Take a roll of film and the Soviets try again.
- Do they really need to see the Optics? I’m sure they already had the specifications
- Could there really be something interesting about the electronics? I doubt so!

If they could control reentry, why not guide it to hit a mountain range in the continental USA?

a reply to: AdamE

The satellite was traced by Archivist and Satellite tracker, Alan Akeroyd, who found that it landed in Khazakstan on the Sunday.

a reply to: AdamE

Disseminating and presenting ideas and evidence to counter some of the claims is warranted of course.

Opinions are great, but ridicule is not the answer.

Making unproven, ridiculous statements and passing them off as fact, as many people in the field do, irritates me. But you are right and point taken. I do get far too sarcastic at times and ridicule is not the answer.

a reply to: AdamE

"Sphere" "Specular" "Reflection" "Electromagnetic."

It's above my head and those terms may refer to something much less substantial than they sound like in this case but it joins an ever-increasing body of scientific work, and history of observations otherwise, that is certainly at least suggestive of some of the theories some of us have entertained for awhile.

a reply to: ctj83

There was concern apparently with anti satellite weapons and systems.

To counter this threat is what I think may have been in the minds of the West, hence possible targeting plasma on the end of a beam, similar to the Laser Guide star maybe?

This particular sat flies over the UK so an ideal target. An operation on an example satellite?

Another consideration may have been that this sat does not have a Nuclear reactor (apparently)

As soon as the Space Age got underway, the Soviet Union was trying to build anti satellite weapons—and kept trying for decades.

www.popularmechanics.com... regarding Soviet Anti Satellite

Just some thoughts ctj83

a reply to: ctj83

The satellite story is quite possibly a complete red herring. But you shouldn't dismiss that NATO would not find value in destabilizing a Soviet satellite (it would be an interesting test of experimental technology). Nor that there would be no value in recovering one for intelligence purposes.

In the late 1970s Soviet Politburo a guy called Mstislav Keldysh convinced the then Soviet Premier, Leonid Brezhnev, that the Space Shuttle was actually an attack spacecraft and was going to be used in a pre-emptive strike to 'nuke' Moscow.

In Dec of 1980 US diplomats were still being held hostage in Iran. In Poland the Solidarity movement was threatening to destabilize the government there.It may be a cliché that it was the height of the Cold War. But with Ronald Reagan about to enter office full of anti-Soviet rhetoric and Western Europe agreeing to accept Pershing & Cruise nuclear missiles on their soil ,things were very twitchy. A lot of secret things were going on behind the scenes back then too.

The Space Shuttle was first rolled out on Dec 29th 1980. If Brezhnev believed that this was coming to bomb him into oblivion then you can imagine how paranoia might be setting in on the other side of the Iron Curtain.



Now coming back to the satellite story. There is no evidence that I've seen to suggest it was not a successful mission. I believe your source of it landing on the Sunday back in the Soviet Union may well be the same one I have been trying to confirm. However....


Source : www.zarya.info...

There is also the above website which confirms that " Cameras and film were recovered." on Dec. 28th 1980 at 7:12 UTC (which for all intents and purposes would have been GMT or UK time and a few hours after Colonel Halt had decided to return to base after an early morning walk like no other).

Now at first glance nothing seems to be out of order there. But note all the other Kosmos Zenit-6 satellites missions lasted for 14 days. Why did the Kosmos 1227 end prematurely after 12 days, and just a few hours after the third night of the RFI?

The Zenit 6u was maneuverable. Maneuverable enough to knock out the Shuttle when in orbit?

Or take pictures of Project Talon Gold? (

A project to develop a low-energy laser to demonstrate acquisition and tracking of targets from space and to precisely point a narrow laser beam. An essential prerequisite for deploying a high-energy laser weapon system. Involves Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency and USAF SAMSO, Army Missile R&D Command