Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: mirageman

Seems like someone is trying to insert a "bachelors Grove" story into the mix. Which is......a story of a disappearing house near a haunted cemetery... Please.....
Must try harder!!

As far as LMH, I don't think she's compromised as much as I dislike her approach, she usually rambles nonsense anyway. Right in the middle usually good interviews with guests when Burroughs is getting somewhere she makes random statements with questions that usually flummoxs guests, the lavenda interview being a good example.

Doty, desperate to remain significant, I disregard anything he says...regardless, is that ignorant ;yes but well founded.

a reply to: ctj83

The UK has been a partner for ALONG time is some very interesting programs from polaris to trident to the F117 and even the new B-21 Raider heck there was even something that looked alot like a early F-22 and there was a crash of something that had to be guarded by SAS and held at Boscombe Down then flown to Palmdale.


If we are working together on these projects it is no stretch of the imagination to think there is alllllot we don't know about.

a reply to: penroc3

Clarke talks about Boscombe Down and the Defense Noticed issued in the U.K. to gag the media. Whilst we don’t have proof this was Aurora / Astra, what Clarke has uncovered proves the existence of Aurora / Astra And flights over U.K.

It also links to the Calvine ufo. Does it link to the RFI? Maybe too early for a finalised craft, but a proof of concept? Perhaps.

a reply to: AdamE

Damage/liability caused by the tech used to bring down sat 1227 that broke up over 3 or 4 nights.

Hi Adam. Are we certain we have the correct details about Kosmos 1227?

According to Czech space website kosmo.cz the satellite was launched Dec 16th 1980 and landed back on Earth on the 28th Dec 1980.



The dates certainly fit the time frame of the RFI. But there seems to be no mention of this satellite being lost or damaged that I can find anywhere on the web.

a reply to: mirageman

Is there any documentation to say where it landed?

a reply to: ctj83

As regards Kosmos 1227. It seems the mission was successful : howlingpixel.com... or nookebooklibrary.com...(1980-1984). But it's not clear whether that refers to the launch process only. I am trying to find if another source checks out that Kosmos 1227 returned to Plesetsk at around 4:00 (UK time) on 28th Dec 1980.

Page 125 of World Spacecraft Digest 1980 also suggests the satellite re-entered the atmosphere on Dec 28th 1980.

On the subject of Press D-Notices, and strange 'aerial' incidents in the UK there is an interesting caller from the Rendlesham area on an old James Whale interview with Nick Pope from around 2000 - 2001

Link

Make of it what you will.

Oberg might be the guy to ask re the Kosmos.

a reply to: ctj83

there was definitely a aircraft that had some sort of issue on the runway that was guarded by special forces and was retrieved by a private special transport rather quickly. So whatever it was the powers that be sure wanted to keep it under wraps literally.

what the name of that projects name was, i dont think we will know that.

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: AdamE

Do you have any tracking data for the descent of that craft?

The scientist Keech refers to is Dr Bond, of Hotol fame according to Jenny Randles. I believe shes written this in her books, but she was kind enough to confirm in my APEN thread I believe.

Also, do you know of anything written about the soviet agent apparently captured in the woods around the time of the event?

I will continue to search, but so far, I can only find data on the satellite (11AI11U Zenit 6 Argon 11F645) that has already been shared or discussed. I Cannot find where it came down.

In reference to your last question, I will scour some things and see what I can find. My delays in replies are due to the World Cup. Your patience is very much appreciated.

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: penroc3

Clarke talks about Boscombe Down and the Defense Noticed issued in the U.K. to gag the media. Whilst we don’t have proof this was Aurora / Astra, what Clarke has uncovered proves the existence of Aurora / Astra And flights over U.K.

It also links to the Calvine ufo. Does it link to the RFI? Maybe too early for a finalised craft, but a proof of concept? Perhaps.

This is an incident that I think plays into this.

The next thing he could remember was being six hundred metres from his position, poring over a map with the rest of his colleagues, trying to figure out where they were and how they had suddenly arrived somewhere else, six hundred metres off course. He was then picked up by an Army Land Rover and ferried back to barracks where, he made a point of telling me, no one said a word about what they had just experienced. Indeed, according to Mark, none of the other soldiers ever spoke to him about the incident. But what was even more unusual, Mark never said a word, either.

So where are you now?" Robert put to Mark.
"I can see the woods... all dark and thick...lights...in the copse...people milling around in the copse." Robert then told Mark to continue on towards the copse, as he had done six years previously.

"Could the lights you're seeing be a helicopter?" Robert said. "No." "Is it an aeroplane, then?"

"No. The lights are in the woods."

"How high off the ground are the lights?"

"They are in the woods...they are in the woods."

"And do you go to investigate the lights?"

"No."

"You're not bothered about the lights?"

"No."

"OK. Walk on a little bit further."

At this point Robert told Mark to "freeze-frame" and "zoom in" on the lights. (Mark had been told that he was watching a replay of the event on an imaginary screen in his mind, and that he had a "remote control" in his hand, with "pause," "rewind" and "zoom" facilities, etc.")

"What can you see now?" Robert asked.

"Don't know...don't know what it is...big thing." "Big thing? "Yeah." "Can you describe the big thing for me?" "Just dark." "In the woods?" "Above the woods...the woods are illuminated."

"The whole of the woods?"

"The copse, yeah." At this point Mark started to show signs of distress.

"OK, Mark. You are back on the path. Describe to me what you can see." "The light shining on us...I'm cold." "What can you see, Mark? Where is the light that's shining on you coming from?"

"From above."

"Above? So you are looking up now?" "Yeah...It's shining in my eyes." "And then what happens?"

"I...I can't see." Again Mark became visibly distressed; Robert spent the next short while reassuring him. A few moments later: "Tell me what you can see now, Mark."

"A Yank..." "An American?" "Mmmm.." "Where did the American come from?"

"Out of the woods..."

fierycelt.tripod.com...

a reply to: AdamE

yikes...

im not sure how true that is but it doesn't sound fun.

definitely a test of some kind and im definitely glad i wasn't part of it.



what i get out of that is DEW testing and maybe even drug exposure. I have had some personal experience with what people call black triangles(but not huge, more fighter sized) and as much of a 'high strangeness' enthusiast and a nice cell phone in my pocket, when the ship was in a arms throw of a baseball....i stood there, transfixed, stuck for the lack of a better word.

i could imagine early testing of these systems being rather overwhelming at full force.

There's been all sorts of stories down the years. Something was supposed to have been flown in on a C130. Sgt Bustinza was supposedly in charge of securing it after it landed.

Another story involves capturing a Soviet aircraft. Ever heard of the Karen Tapes?

One thing I have noticed, especially with John's reply to some comments in this thread, is that they must read it or have people that realay some of the information from here to them.

What I do find funny is that bring up topics posted in this thread on their radio show too, dolan has done it considerably of late too especially the Bigelow thread. Does that we are the disinfo guys of "credible researchers" are indirect quoting ATS?

I like Burroughs for reasons stated previously, but some of the others seem to be running out of talking points and we are their source, quite funny really...

Anyway, back on track....The Russian satellite is an interesting story and I have looked into it at length and can't find anything documented in regards to what happened to it.... Satellites, Russians, secret radar installations, nukes, it's a bond film waiting to happen...That's not including the "aliens"

a reply to: pigsy2400

I was very, very disappointed to listen to last week's KGRA Phenomenon Radio episode with Winston Keech and Ron Dugdale. There was very little of John and Ron in my opinion. Perhaps a little too much Linda.

Keech, whilst he sounds like and I'm sure is, a very nice guy, gave out so much bogus and or unresearched material as to shock me. What disappoints me more is that he has a solid understanding of many proven phenomena such as telluric currents, then goes off into 'fake science' land.

This would be more tolerable if he were to preface some material with 'there are theories' or 'it has been suggested'.

Instead, he begins to explain 'how reality works' with a load of woo physics and hologram hypothesis. Oh, and an odd view of wave functions. For those who believe in woo physics (some of which may or may not be correct) - I can point you to many instances of Keech talking about things he's never researched.

Apparently one the lines on a map he's found in the RFI, connects Hi Brazil (where have we heard that before) - but first travels through Puffin Island.

Keech then begins to explain how a UFO emerged from the waters near Puffin Island, was shot down by a Navy ship and crashed into Puffin Island. This is about the clearest, non-physics thing I've heard him talk about that is totally wrong.

This has been debunked many times, by many researches, including Scott Felton most notably as having no basis in truth and is almost certainly part of a disinformation campaign. This fake story leads back to one man in Wales, who may possibly have connections to right-wing provocateurs and ufologists APEN.

When Keech repeats this disinformation uncritically he aids those who wish to cover up what really happened in incidents like Berywn and Rendlesham.

If Winston is on here or reads this, please understand, you seem like a very nice, smart guy, but you do John, the listeners and the truth no favours when you mix in disinformation without caveat, woo physics without qualification etc.

For example. Keech speaks of being able to anticipate the future in DNA. I'll suggest two areas where this BS emerged from:
- The turgid Montauk legends, which thoroughly hide anything real of value, behind those who can control time and space through the power of MASTURBATION. The next time anyone wants to quote such events as being related to any real physics I'd suggest you read the full story behind this event.
- Donald Belisario. There is only one many who can mentally travel in time within the time span of his own DNA (although a close relatives DNA also worked). Sam Beckett.

Right now, Keech probably has the best chance of breaking open a new avenue in the RFI, but not without some critical thinking. I look forward to what he can deliver in future.

Dugdale, excellent as always, can we have a 100% Dugdale show?

a reply to: pigsy2400

I was very, very disappointed to listen to last week's KGRA Phenomenon Radio episode with Winston Keech and Ron Dugdale. There was very little of John and Ron in my opinion. Perhaps a little too much Linda.

Keech, whilst he sounds like and I'm sure is, a very nice guy, gave out so much bogus and or unresearched material as to shock me. What disappoints me more is that he has a solid understanding of many proven phenomena such as telluric currents, then goes off into 'fake science' land.

This would be more tolerable if he were to preface some material with 'there are theories' or 'it has been suggested'.

Instead, he begins to explain 'how reality works' with a load of woo physics and hologram hypothesis. Oh, and an odd view of wave functions. For those who believe in woo physics (some of which may or may not be correct) - I can point you to many instances of Keech talking about things he's never researched.

Apparently one the lines on a map he's found in the RFI, connects Hi Brazil (where have we heard that before) - but first travels through Puffin Island.

Keech then begins to explain how a UFO emerged from the waters near Puffin Island, was shot down by a Navy ship and crashed into Puffin Island. This is about the clearest, non-physics thing I've heard him talk about that is totally wrong.

This has been debunked many times, by many researches, including Scott Felton most notably as having no basis in truth and is almost certainly part of a disinformation campaign. This fake story leads back to one man in Wales, who may possibly have connections to right-wing provocateurs and ufologists APEN.

When Keech repeats this disinformation uncritically he aids those who wish to cover up what really happened in incidents like Berywn and Rendlesham.

If Winston is on here or reads this, please understand, you seem like a very nice, smart guy, but you do John, the listeners and the truth no favours when you mix in disinformation without caveat, woo physics without qualification etc.

For example. Keech speaks of being able to anticipate the future in DNA. I'll suggest two areas where this BS emerged from:
- The turgid Montauk legends, which thoroughly hide anything real of value, behind those who can control time and space through the power of MASTURBATION. The next time anyone wants to quote such events as being related to any real physics I'd suggest you read the full story behind this event.
- Donald Belisario. There is only one many who can mentally travel in time within the time span of his own DNA (although a close relatives DNA also worked). Sam Beckett.

Right now, Keech probably has the best chance of breaking open a new avenue in the RFI, but not without some critical thinking. I look forward to what he can deliver in future.

Dugdale, excellent as always, can we have a 100% Dugdale show?

a reply to: ctj83

I was very, very disappointed to listen to last week's KGRA Phenomenon Radio episode with Winston Keech and Ron Dugdale. There was very little of John and Ron in my opinion. Perhaps a little too much Linda.

Gotta agree. Especially with the latter comment. I thought the whole first hour was a complete waste of time.

Keech is former crop circle obsessive. He claims they are a product of 'consciousness' and earth energies at the start of the programme you mention. As if that is actually a fact!

He was definitely talking woo, woo physics theory as if it is proven science. He also talked about what sounded like 'radar decoys' . But was totally unaware of Project Palladium .

I got the feeling a lot of the episode was pure waffle and trying to link all sorts of new age beliefs, spooky, myth and legend into the RFI narrative for no other reason than to further conflate it or simply waste air time.

To cut to the most relevant bit.

Keech's claim was that the Kosmos 1227 satellite (we discussed this earlier in the thread) was brought down outside Woodbridge/Bentwaters using high power radars and ionospheric heating systems based in the Arctic (Norway). This would make the Soviets believe the satellite had malfunctioned. He also says the 67th ARRS would have tried to recover this satellite. The Soviets would also have sent forces to recover/destroy a grounded satellite.

Discussion followed about further theories about what might have happened in that situation. One being that eventually the Soviets were allowed to pick up the satellite from the twin bases.

a reply to: pigsy2400

A possible manifestation of a house (and car with three rear lights, a smiley face, a hill, and possibly an entire city) features in the transcript of Peter Robbins and Larry Warren’s investigative foray onto the base, the evening of 18 February 1988. Peter was equipped with a tape recorder and recorded the events of the evening. What started out as a little information gathering and scene-setting on their part turned into witnessing objects in the sky, then over and within the forest, and much more besides.

While Warren’s overall credibility may be in tatters, I believe Peter stands firmly behind his elements as written in the book.

Whatever it was that happened to them—a phenomenon ball of light show, advanced hologram technology, a psychological-based projection or means of thought-control—the transcript reveals their perceptions as things unfold. They seem very alert, experience a raft of emotions (“I don’t want to get f**king abducted here,” says Warren at one stage), and play-off one another's perceptions as they come to conclusions in real-time. They also both hear several nearby screams, which might be those of animals in the forest.

PR. ... How the hell can this stuff go on, like right here, and that it’s like it’s some big joke? I mean, doesn’t anybody see this stuff?

And then:

LW. Is that a house?! It doesn’t make sense.
PR. No, that’s a house.
LW. It is a house, right?
PR. No, I mean that’s a house right in front of us. (There is no house.)
LW. Look! Look!
PR. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there it goes!
LW. It’s back.
PR. Yep.
LW. This is too ... It can’t be an illusion, it’s nothing. There’re no lights.
PR. Oh, no, no. There’s not an illusion. It’s just a matter of what the hell it is we’re seeing. And look at that now, it’s like one light on top of another. It wasn’t like that a minute ago. That’s new.

Later:

PR. It looks like, there’s a city over that rise. It goes from there to there on the horizon. What the hell is out there?
LW. (Indicating) That’s the WSA, that’s at the end of the base.
PR. OK, but I mean there’s buildings back behind those trees. What the hell is behind these trees?
LW. I don’t know, there isn’t supposed to be anything.
PR. (Totally frustrated.) I mean, but you know that there’s not like a town just over that rise, right?
...
PR. (Frightened.) I don’t want to go out there right now, I really . . . not on a bet. I don’t care.
LW. Something wrong with this territory . . . another country.

There's not much said about this event by witnesses, but it could be jolly important.

originally posted by: mirageman
There's been all sorts of stories down the years. Something was supposed to have been flown in on a C130. Sgt Bustinza was supposedly in charge of securing it after it landed.

Another story involves capturing a Soviet aircraft. Ever heard of the Karen Tapes?

Oh yes. How would a satellite downing play the Karen Tapes?

Sorry to ask, but do you have the link to the transcript handy please mm?

I also remember mention of Kirtland AB.

What with work and research, I have at least 29 tabs in use right now.

a reply to: Defragmentor

Interesting but just babble in my honest opinion from people with less than credible backgrounds. Why not take a vhs camera? Why just a tape recorder? So it cannot be proved or disproved....

Disappearing houses et al just plays into the hands of the "it was just a lighthouse" crowd. I do not doubt that odd things happen in that area, but all point to military explanations of atmospheric experiments(ionisation of atmosphere), OTH radar, BOL phenomenon and other odd things.

People see rfi as a cash cow that needs to be continually milked to the point where all that's left is cored out cow anus, book sales and conference gigs. All at the same time fogging the whole thing in even more mud so no normal person can make heads or tails of it.

I would bet that the MIC doesn't even have to do much cointelpro as shysters and crooks do the work for them.

Is this what ufology has come to, stupid question really I suppose.

I'm not shooting the messenger Defrag, just ranting my frustration at the whole blooming mess...

a reply to: AdamE

There is no longer a download link on the web that I can find.

Please check your messages Adam.