Herman Cain Accused of Inappropriate Sexual Behavior: Two Women Receive Financial Settlements

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


BH, I was in the middle of a reply earlier but lately work has picked up since our friendly snow birds began flocking here to Florida. I wanted to reply earlier but, even now I'm being distracted but I need to come back in a few to explain a couple of things. Thank you for your patience.

I will try to come back to this post to add more if the time limit to edit isnt up.

Edit to add:

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

What makes me say that Herman Cain lied is that he first said that he wasn't aware of a settlement and then he suddenly remembered it. To say that he was unaware of a settlement was a lie.

Not recalling something in particular then suddenly remembering it does not a lier make. Maybe someone phoned him to remind him of "remember that day when" trigger words. Maybe he shouldnt have spoken so soon, regardless, when someone corrects their words, it shouldn't make them a lier.

Frankly, I'd rather let this go. But I hate to end on a misunderstanding. I started this thread because it came out in the news. I don't even know if Cain harassed these women or not. I really don't care, either. In the end, it's not going to matter whether he did or didn't.

The story wasn't going the way you expected it to go. It might now but hey, Gloria Allred???
I'll go to the post I was talking about earlier (should have done that yesterday) and reply with clarity so there is no misunderstands.

I don't know what point you're trying to make with the whole Paula Jones thing. I don't know the meaning of "reports" or the significance. There are plenty of people saying that Clinton got a pass. Hearing someone else say it doesn't alter the fact that I was there and remember it.

I posted facts and no matter how someone spins it, it's still facts. I'll go directly to that post instead of copying and pasting like I did yesterday, I didn't realize the "paste" did take, which made my work incoherent, sloppy. I apologize for that.

Originally posted by paxnatus

If Cain was truly guilty, I would think she would be "chomping at the bit" to get her story out there. I know
I would.

Originally posted by sweetliberty
Faceless, nameless people who hide behind their attorneys should not throw allegations into the public if their not going to back it up! But you go ahead and call Cain a lier and such, laugh it up, it's not you in the spotlight.

Faceless, nameless people

This is "spin" thinking.

If it really happened..the women would come forward...since they haven't...it is not true.

Does that afford for the fact that some woman would not want to drag her family into the spotlight of a political circus?

And if she feels that integrity demands she speak up? That the nation deserves to know the truth about someone who might be president? Whatever the cost to her and her family? The certain character assasination that might follow?

Well...then she is just doing it for money and fame...she is still lying.

Give me scenario where these women are allowed to speak, because they are going to sooner or later, and at that point you will have to decide if you are on board with what Cain's campaign is going to do to her and her family.

Gloria Allred is the same attorney that went after Anthony Weiner. Should be interesting to see how quickly the republican base turns on her.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Hmmm.... Okay, Bill Clinton was running for president and linked to numerous sex scandals.

Did you really write "Bill Clinton was ... linked to numerous sex scandals." in the same post that you said:

Bill Clinton is a democrat so..........who cares? Give him a pass. Scandal? What scandal?

What scandal??? The ones Bill Clinton was linked to!

The ones you're talking about!! Jesus! What world do you live in that you think Clinton didn't have a sex scandal???? OMG! This is so hilarious! The length partisans will go to to see their skewed version of things. :shk:

YES, Bill Clinton had sex scandals. They were HIGHLY reported on. The man was freaking IMPEACHED! And you think he "got a pass" because he's a Democrat! OMG. I can't handle it. I'm laughing so hard!

YES, Herman Cain has his very own sex scandal. It's being highly reported on. Stop crying and deal with it. This is NOT a partisan issue. These guys brought this stuff on themselves.

Clinton got a pass"

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edit on 11/3/2011 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)

This is the post I was unsuccessfully referring to yesterday.

This is the article I posted yesterday. The audio interview with Kathleen Willey gives actual dates and times pertaining to how many reports were given to the "accusers". When comparing the allotted time in the media of the Clinton accusers to the Cain accusers, there is clearly a substantial difference!
1.) Paula Jones was given a 16 second interview by ABC in February of 1994 and wasn't mentioned again until Clinton got a defense attorney in May of 1994.

2.) Juanita Broderick was given only 3 reports from the MSM in 1999.

3.) Kathleen Willey (interviewed in article below) was given three reports 1997.


I must say, your reply to the above poster is very inaccurate and rude!

As for the birth certificate. You asked me a question, I answered you then you smugly pass it (the BC subject) off as if it was I who brought up the subject of the birth certificate and was taking the thread elsewhere. You clearly have me labeled or you wouldn't have brought up the BC.
I could care less where Obama was born, his actions and knife-throwing divisive language leaves no one to wonder what's in his heart.

What I found strange is that you're responding to others without reading or listening to what is posted to you but it is you who brings up the subject. Laughing at a valid statement speaks volumes.

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So now we have four women (three haphazardly) accusing Cain of sexual harassment. If there is anything to the latest accusations, then we have another man in the political limelight possibly tied to harassment, assault, or possibly a victim of a wanna-be famous woman.

Clinton indulged himself with women.
Obama is accused of servicing a man.
Gingrich jumped the fence.
Cain might have opened his mouth too much.

We haven't heard the last of this even if number 4 is being truthful.


Eta: "Reports" mean reported in the msm as thats what was explained in the link I added again.

reply to post by sweetliberty


It's not even about Cain anymore. He has been branded a loser by the RNC and they are now is just trying to save face for
the "hey look, we're not racists; we got a black guy too!!" strategy. Now their sloppy investigation into his background has bitem in the ass. He was really never a serious candidate to begin with; just an image to be utilized and discarded when his usefulness expired. It just happened sooner than expected with unforscene results.

You would think the GOP analysts and strategists would have been more on top of it. I sense an feeling of desperation even with the unpopularity of Obama. They need to be concentrating issues and staying on message; not playing defense for 7 year old sexual harassment charges.

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I think it's going to be a roller coaster ride

New Hampshire is a state where voter preference can shift in a hurry; the Harvard/St. Anselm poll found that just 10% of Romney's supporters will "definitely" support him on primary

I think we're going to continue to see articles claiming the opposite of others. This article was posted today but the poll was taken before the news of the fourth woman accuser.

I don't think it will greatly effect Cain's final outcome, if he isn't elected President, he wasn't going to be elected regardless of the allegations and visa versa. There seems to be a large number of people who would rather hear nails on a chalkboard before listening to the main stream circus, lol.

ETA: The latest poll Cain Ties Romney Atop GOP Field

Uh oh...

www.globalpost.com...

During the conference she says she sat next to Cain at a dinner during a National Restaurant Association conference. She was employed by the assocation's educational foundation.

She accuses Cain of putting his hand under her skirt and reaching towards her genitals.

She says she said to him, "What are you doing?"

He responded by asking if she definitely wanted a job.

Cain's done. Get ready to love Romney lol

Originally posted by negativenihil
Uh oh...

www.globalpost.com...

During the conference she says she sat next to Cain at a dinner during a National Restaurant Association conference. She was employed by the assocation's educational foundation.

She accuses Cain of putting his hand under her skirt and reaching towards her genitals.

She says she said to him, "What are you doing?"

He responded by asking if she definitely wanted a job.

Cain's done. Get ready to love Romney lol

Lmao! So according to this woman, Cain dabbles in public play! Hidden in plain sight.
He said, she said, he did, she didn't, she said, he said......

Originally posted by sweetliberty
As for the birth certificate. You asked me a question, I answered you then you smugly pass it (the BC subject) off as if it was I who brought up the subject of the birth certificate and was taking the thread elsewhere. You clearly have me labeled or you wouldn't have brought up the BC.

I never said or implied that you brought up the BC. Nor have I labeled you anything. You totally misunderstood my reasons for bringing up the BC. I brought up the BC Scandal to show that Obama had his share of unsubstantiated scandal and press around his presidency and wasn't treated any differently than Cain. (Now that the accuser has come forward, and there's a face and a name, .things are different, of course.) I wasn't calling you a birther. Never entered my mind.

What I found strange is that you're responding to others without reading or listening to what is posted to you but it is you who brings up the subject.

What I find strange is you accuse me of not reading or listening to sources when I DID.. I don't know why you made this assumption, but I don't appreciate it. Call me smug and rude, but please, stop assuming stuff about me. If you want to know something, ASK me. I nearly always answer the questions put to me here. I'm really done with your assumptions.

I didn't see the definition of a report in there. I could have missed it, though.

It looks like the goalpost is beginning to move, though. People who, just a couple days ago, said Cain was innocent because the women didn't have the guts to come forward... are now attacking her council... As if her lawyer has ANYTHING to do with it. :shk: You wanted a name and a face. Now you've got it.

Originally posted by negativenihil
Uh oh...

www.globalpost.com...

During the conference she says she sat next to Cain at a dinner during a National Restaurant Association conference. She was employed by the assocation's educational foundation.

She accuses Cain of putting his hand under her skirt and reaching towards her genitals.

She says she said to him, "What are you doing?"

He responded by asking if she definitely wanted a job.

Cain's done. Get ready to love Romney lol

Yeah..once gloria allred is on it, if you're a man, that's your ASS She'll get every bit of it too. won't have none left..

Originally posted by sweetliberty

Lmao! So according to this woman, Cain dabbles in public play!

Hidden in plain sight.
He said, she said, he did, she didn't, she said, he said......

edit on 7-11-2011 by sweetliberty because: (no reason given)

No according to this woman she worked temporarily for the Restuarant Association.

Then was looking for Herman Cains assistance finding a Job.

He met her in the Hotel bar of where she was staying, then took her to dinner.

He then went to drive her back to the Hotel, took a detour and parked, placed his hand up her skirt and reached up and tried to pull her head down toward his crotch...

Whereupon she objected and explained she had a boyfriend and he responded "You do want a job, right?"

After infering these (now 4) women were liars for not stepping forward...is it your intent to attack them for doing so?

Originally posted by sweetliberty

Faceless, nameless people who hide behind their attorneys should not throw allegations into the public if their not going to back it up! But you go ahead and call Cain a lier and such, laugh it up, it's not you in the spotlight.

Faceless, nameless people

And people with faces and names? Are they allowed to speak up?

From a Fox News Sunday 11-7 interview with Ron Paul:

WALLACE: Do you think allegations against Herman Cain are relevant in this campaign?

PAUL: The allegations against his program, he's liking, you know, the Federal Reserve and his national sales tax -- yes, they are very legitimate and his support for bailouts, those allegations are very legitimate.

Those other allegations, these problems that he had -- no, I don't think, I think the media blew this way out of proportion. I think there are a thousand stories out on there and I think that dilutes the real debates, because his views on foreign policy for instance are dramatically different than mine.

I mean, he wants to expand on these. And he believes in the bailouts and the Federal Reserve and all this. I think that's what we should be talking about. And I don't like the distractions. So, I don't agree with all of the concentrations on that.

www.foxnews.com...

Dr. Paul went on to say it is not the distractions that helps his campaign but people becoming aware of Cain's support of a national ales tax and his lack of commitment to budget/government cuts.

So while the media and many in the general public are most concerned with the titillation factor and phony popularity contest, Ron Paul stays true to character as a statesman and patriot being much more concerned that the very serious issues that face our nation.

Cain’s Latest Accuser

November 7, 2011 (MUNDELEIN, Ill.) (WLS) -- Sharon Bialek, who lives in suburban Mundelein, said Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain reached under her skirt 14 years ago when she was asked him about a job.
In this Intelligence Report: Who is Sharon Bialek? The Chicago-area woman has an extensive corporate and personal history in the area going back to the early 1990s.
It was her hope for a new job that Bialek says brought her to Herman Cain that day in 1997. Bialek's resume and a trail of public records indicates that changing jobs has been a regular occurrence for the Chicagoan. She has worked for at least nine different employers over the past 17 years and appears to have struggled financially.
The public record on Bialek begins in 1991 when she filed personal bankruptcy for the first time while living in Des Plaines.
Between 1993 and 1996 Bialek worked for four different companies in promotion and marketing positions.
In 1996, and part of 1997, Bialek was at the National Restaurant Association. After being let go from that job in mid-1997, she says that she went to Washington, D.C., to meet with Cain, president of the association, because she needed a job.
In 1999, Bialek's son Nicholas was born and a paternity lawsuit was filed by the father, a media executive.
In 2001 came Bialek's second personal bankruptcy, filed after sizable legal bills. That year she was hired by WGN radio where she worked until 2004 when she took a marketing job and then a job at WCKG radio.
Along the way, according to her attorney, Bialek also held positions with Revlon and Easter Seals.
Bialek currently lives in Mundelein with fiancé Mark Harwood.
"She's of the same political persuasion as Herman Cain," Harwood said. "There was no money on the table to go and have an interview. This is truly about an American girl who's got a big heart and wants to do the right thing."
(Copyright ©2011 WLS-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.)
PS: DAVID AXELROD (Obama Chief of staff) & ASSOC represented her in bankruptcies
Source

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Your link doesn't work. I believe the one below will work.

Interesting....

"She's of the same political persuasion as Herman Cain," Harwood said. "There was no money on the table to go and have an interview. This is truly about an American girl who's got a big heart and wants to do the right thing."
(Copyright ©2011 WLS-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.)
PS: DAVID AXELROD (Obama Chief of staff) & ASSOC represented her in bankruptcies
abclocal.go.com.../iteam&id=8422203

Comments made on the link: Source

Who has the kid? She filed for bankruptcy after a paternity lawsuit????? Does that mean she lost and has to pay the daddy???? Does she need the money now??? Was she judged incompetent to be a mother? So many questions so little time.

or

Wait. It's even worse. The daddy sued her because it wasn't his baby!

Originally posted by relocator
reply to post by Surfrat

 

"She's of the same political persuasion as Herman Cain," Harwood said. "There was no money on the table to go and have an interview. This is truly about an American girl who's got a big heart and wants to do the right thing."

Or did someone in the GOP 'encourage' this pretty, white, Republican woman to make real accusations with the purpose of affecting the Republican voters in the primaries? After all, how many of them are going to reject this woman's claims? She's one of them. She's more likely to be believed by people in her own group... It's just a conspiracy angle.

If a black Democrat had come forward, I wonder how the response would be different...

There was a thread a while ago, asking if race would play a part in the election. I hadn't foreseen anything like this and thought that race wouldn't be involved. But I may have been wrong. Several reporters and news casters are bringing up the race issue. That's the best way to get it rolling, I guess.

Originally posted by Surfrat
Cain’s Latest Accuser
November 7, 2011 (MUNDELEIN, Ill.) (WLS) -- Sharon Bialek, who lives in suburban Mundelein, said Republican


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"She's of the same political persuasion as Herman Cain," Harwood said. "There was no money on the table to go and have an interview. This is truly about an American girl who's got a big heart and wants to do the right thing."
(Copyright ©2011 WLS-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.)
PS: DAVID AXELROD (Obama Chief of staff) & ASSOC represented her in bankruptcies
abclocal.go.com.../iteam&id=8422203

In going to your source "http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=8422203"

the "PS: DAVID AXELROD (Obama Chief of staff) & ASSOC represented her in bankruptcies" IS NOT THERE

You inserted it within the excerpt .

The "David Axelrod" mentioned on one of bankruptcey filings as a Plaintiff is A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DAVID AXELROD FROM PRESIDENT OBAMA'S CHIEF OF STAFF"



Even Conservative mouthpiece Michelle Malkin has figured that out.

This is the source of the confusion: Cook County records showing a court case involving Bialek and a plaintiff represented by a “David Axelrod” of Highland Park, IL.

He is a completely different Axelrod who practices law.

michellemalkin.com...

Not that I think that will dampen the GOP spin machine from continuing to claim the same....why let the truth get in the way of ruining a womans life for stepping forward and doing the right thing.

The accuser is a staunch conservative BTW the way. The difference between her and the people comming after her is that she truly belives in values and felt obligated to come forward.

The way this whole scandal is being handled by Cain and his supporters is why good people find themselves not able to support Republicans

It reminds me of a West Wing episode from years ago. I had to google up the quote. A Republican Senator confronted another Republican Senator on his dishonest behavior...

"This is why good people hate us, this, right here, this thing... And if you proceed with this line of questioning, I will resign this committee and wait in the tall grass for you Congressman, because you are killing the party. "

Keep up the dishonesty, character assination, attack a republican woman for having the courage to speak the truth, drag her family through the mud...and lie about her and her past...and in 2012 the GOP will remember why they lost in 2008.

Keep it up.

Apparently Cain has an MO

In a Monday press conference, Sharon Bialek became the fourth woman to accuse Cain of sexual harassment, and the first to do so publicly. She said Cain was "sexually inappropriate" toward her in 1997 and described an incident in which Cain put his hand under her skirt and pushed her head toward his crotch after a dinner together. Bialek, who said she would not file a lawsuit against Cain, said he backed away after she asked him to stop.

Bennett [the attorney for one of the women who accepted a settlement] , in an interview with the New York Times after Bialek spoke at a press conference with lawyer Gloria Allred, said Bialek's allegation sounds "very similar" to the incident his client experienced. "It corroborates the claim," Bennett said.

www.cbsnews.com...

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Her past doesn't convenience me that she is a hardworking mother trying to standup for herself. If that was the case she would have done it 12 years ago. Her so called boyfriend that made the suggestion to talk with Mr. Cain should have called Herman up back then and ripped him a new one. No instead no one from that time has spoken up to say she had mentioned this to them. Her dad and current boyfriend knew nothing until last Friday. I say Gold Digger.