Herman Cain Accused of Inappropriate Sexual Behavior: Two Women Receive Financial Settlements

Originally posted by relocator
Her so called boyfriend that made the suggestion to talk with Mr. Cain should have called Herman up back then and ripped him a new one. No instead no one from that time has spoken up to say she had mentioned this to them. Her dad and current boyfriend knew nothing until last Friday. I say Gold Digger.

I wish I could say it was funny how often people lie...yourself now twice...while accusing someone else of being dishonest. Frankly it just erodes my faith in fellow human beings.

Her boyfriend at the time on Monday issued a statement released by Allred confirming that she told him about the incident at the time.

www.cbsnews.com...

FYI - Your other lie was claiming that David Axelrod, Obama's Chief of Staff represented her in bankruptcey, when it was a different unrelated attorney David Axelrod, who represented the Plaintiff..

So, thus far you have lied twice on just the last page attempting to smear a woman whose story has, in fact, been corroborated by her boyfriend at the time...
as well as 2 other public court settlements,
one other accuser,
one conservative talk show host that claimed Cain said innapropriate things to his staff
and one NRA Pollster that said he witnessed Cain on multiple occassions harrasing women.

Just to clarify...all of those people have made claims that corroborate one another and have not been disproved, while your last two claims on the last page alone directed at character assisnation have indisputably been shown to be lies.

Deny Ignorance

reply to post by Indigo5


Okay it's not a lie if I never knew that he made a comment through her attorney. So what her boyfriend back then doesn't have the balls to admit this other than through her attorney. What a wimp. Like I said he should have defended her honor back then.

Like I said this women hasn't done anything to convenience me that she's as humble, sweet and innocent as she claims to be and nobody from her past has either other than through her attorney...lol

Originally posted by relocator
reply to post by Indigo5

 

Okay it's not a lie if I never knew that he made a comment through her attorney. So what her boyfriend back then doesn't have the balls to admit this other than through her attorney. What a wimp. Like I said he should have defended her honor back then.

Like I said this women hasn't done anything to convenience me that she's as humble, sweet and innocent as she claims to be and nobody from her past has either other than through her attorney...lol

Her boyfriend at the time doesn't have to be a "tough guy" in order for Cain to have shoved his hand up this woman's skirt and demanded oral sex in exchange for a job.

Nor does she need to be "humble, sweet and innocent " in order to be sexually assualted.

Psst...her finances don't speak to whether or not Herman Cain tried to assualt her either...

Character assasination...lies...

Originally posted by relocator

Okay it's not a lie if I never knew that he made a comment through her attorney.

OK, then why did you confidently post as fact that her boyfriend at the time did not back up her story?

Just curious....because that is how these bits of BS make the rounds on websites. One person posts it, another repeats it and pretty soon some talking head repeats on Fox News, facts be damned.

Left/Right, (D) or (R) ...I HATE BS...All propaganda begins with the assumption that you and I, the American Public, is stupid and that offends me and it should offend you too.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
Gloria Allred is the same attorney that went after Anthony Weiner. Should be interesting to see how quickly the republican base turns on her.

Why didn't Gloria Allred help out Paula Jones?

The polling data still looks great for Herman Cain.
The American people know a MSM smear campaign when they see one.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
The American people know a MSM smear campaign when they see one.

I agree. Like the whole Obama being a foreigner, a Muslim and a gay terrorist... The American people know when BS is being brought up to discredit a candidate. There's no evidence or proof. In this case, however, there's some pretty good evidence... Four (or is it 5 now?) women, two settlements, a witness... This may be a smear campaign, but that doesn't mean it's not true. We'll have to see what else comes out.

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I'm no sweet and innocent either. I've been sexually, mentally and physically abused since a young age. I know what it's like to work hard and raise children on my own. So if I feel that this women isn't showing me anything that would convenience me that she's really out for my best interest by presenting this information than so it will be. That's how I feel and only her actions can change it. Mr. Cain on the other hand is walking a fine line and it can go either way but my decision on who I should vote for will come from many factors. Like which is the best out of the 2 evils...lol!!! Like our vote really counts... I thought all this was to replace the Soaps.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Look at the number of news articles on the Bill Clinton sex scandals.

Then look at the - feeding frenzy - taking place on the bogus decade year old sexual
harassment claims against Herman Cain.

The good news is that the American people know a high tech lynching effort when they see one.

Keep the smear campaigns coming. We need more money.$$$

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by sweetliberty

Faceless, nameless people who hide behind their attorneys should not throw allegations into the public if their not going to back it up! But you go ahead and call Cain a lier and such, laugh it up, it's not you in the spotlight.

Faceless, nameless people

And people with faces and names? Are they allowed to speak up?

edit on 7-11-2011 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)

She needs some cash. Just look at her. - Big phony!-

She has no credibility. BTW, how much money does she get when she appears on
the major networks?
Smiling accuser is making the rounds on morning TV shows. ABC, NBC, CBS and says
"She has nothing to gain." Yeah, right!

Is there a book deal yet?

Originally posted by relocator
So if I feel that this women isn't showing me anything that would convenience me that she's really out for my best interest by presenting this information than so it will be.
...
That's how I feel and only her actions can change it.

I'm curious

1. What more information do you want her to present?
2. What actions on her part would change your mind?
3. What makes you think she should be out for your best interest? She's not doing this for you. She's doing it for herself. She thinks it's the right thing to do.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

The good news is that the American people know a high tech lynching effort when they see one.

Keep the smear campaigns coming. We need more money.$$$

I think I will just let Conservative's respond for me....

The National Review's Bill Bennet

I have watched long enough and held my tongue long enough to give him the benefit of the doubt, but can no longer say this is a witch hunt, “a lynching” to use his word, or any other euphemism.

There are allegations out there that matter and they have stacked up. For we who led the charge against Bill Clinton on a number of related issues to continue to blame the media or other campaigns or say it simply doesn’t matter makes us the hypocrites as well.

Read more: www.politico.com...

the conservative Concerned Women for America President Penny Nance

Unlike anonymous allegations, Ms. Bialek appeared credible and I was very disturbed by her characterization of what happened. Whoever Republican primary voters choose as president should be a man or woman of good moral character. We said when Bill Clinton was president that character counts and we still believe that.

www.politico.com...

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Herman Cain will continue to be Number 1 in the polls.

This MSM speed bump is a joke and everybody knows it.

Just look at the polling data.
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Your blonde bimbo failed. Lets see another one!

It's the economy that will make up everybodys mind on Herman Cain.

9 - 9 - 9 looks great!

Blonde bimbo attack

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


I believe the time has come that I mind my own business and go back to being a lurker....since I don't have the time to answer the inquiring minds.

reply to post by relocator


You've posted 11 times in this thread and now, all of a sudden you don't have time to actually discuss the subject? OK. See ya around.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


I'm so sorry to disappoint but I have a life and job and it's time to go home....So may I suggest you check out this thread...www.abovetopsecret.com...

Now Serenity is someone I feel for and can support how she handled her situation.

Originally posted by Serenity71
I lived through four years of harassment at my former employer. It was four of the darkest years of my life, but I was a single mother and the thought of losing my job was terrifying. I knew (and was right) that if I reported it, the 20 year veteran of the company would be protected and I would be the collateral damage. I quietly found another position in another city and left the company. I reported the abuse to my HR department before I left and presented my four years of documented, notarized evidence. The HR dept did their investigation and found no wrongdoing on the part of the veteraned employee. I knew this would be the outcome and is the reason I never reported it before my resignation. I could have pursued it in a court of law, I could have made a huge to-do and demanded compensation, but what would it have done? It would have put me and my children through more hell than we had already been through. I moved away from the abuse and on to a better place, emotionally and financially.

Having lived through my own harassment hell, my first hunch on this woman is that she had an encounter with Cain, most likely it was consensual, and she is now looking for her moment of fame and a financial windfall. Her mannerisms and almost boastful attitude is hard to watch, especially since harassment leaves scars and emotional pain. Either she is hiding that pain incredubly well, or she is looking for her fifteen minutes of fame.

Originally posted by relocator
Now Serenity is someone I feel for and can support how she handled her situation.

You support her not reporting it and enduring 4 years of hell because she feared losing her job? OK. That tells me all I really need to know.

Karen Kraushaar is Cain's latest accuser. Another Cain Accuser Identified That makes 5 total.

ABC

One of the women who received a cash settlement after accusing Herman Cain of sexual harassment has been identified as federal government civil servant Karen Kraushaar, now a spokesperson for the Inspector General at the Internal Revenue Service.

How many women will come out in the next 1/2 hour, before Cain's statement?

I thought Cain's comments were really good. I hate to say it, but I like Herman Cain. I hope these accusations aren't true because I want to believe that he's the good guy that he portrays. I really don't want to think that he could stand there and spew one lie after another and do it so well, that he nearly has me convinced... But I can't say that I trust him either, so I can't just take his word.

We may never know the truth, but I definitely think that as it stands ("he said, they said") I don't think this should interfere with him being president. If there is more evidence, I may change my mind on that, but as it is now, I don't feel like I know the truth.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Sorry if that's what you think I meant by I can feel for what she went through and can support how she handled it. Meaning she did what she had to do and was able to find another job. That's what most of us do. I don't think bringing up what happened 9 or 12 years ago without any proof is going to do anyone any good. If these women are telling the truth all the power to them especially with the past they have. Though if they are baring false witness then they are the ones that will suffer the consequences.

Originally posted by relocator
I don't think bringing up what happened 9 or 12 years ago without any proof is going to do anyone any good.

If we imagine that they are telling the truth, and Cain is a repeat sexual harasser, then it certainly could help women who have to deal with him in the future. Warning women who may be in a subordinate position to Cain is good, if the allegations are true. If. So, I can see the motivation for coming out 12 years later..

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

What I find strange is you accuse me of not reading or listening to sources when I DID.. I don't know why you made this assumption, but I don't appreciate it. Call me smug and rude, but please, stop assuming stuff about me. If you want to know something, ASK me. I nearly always answer the questions put to me here. I'm really done with your assumptions. I didn't see the definition of a report in there. I could have missed it, though. It looks like the goalpost is beginning to move, though. People who, just a couple days ago, said Cain was innocent because the women didn't have the guts to come forward... are now attacking her council... As if her lawyer has ANYTHING to do with it. You wanted a name and a face. Now you've got it.

This form of communication at times can be misinterrupted (if thats a word).
I remember reading a couple of weeks ago a compliment given to you by another poster at you're standing on ATS. I starred the post of course because I love ATS and the respected members on here. Being a product of a government-run public school student, and a single parent who kept my eyes closed, it's the great minds of ATS who are schooliing me and others like me. What I realize is that you posts we're flip-flopping and then you degraded a poster who gave valid comments, along with being more open and truthful on other threads as to your real feelings of those you aren't in agreement with. That isn't the real representation of the great minds of ATS and I was taken aback to your attacks and rudeness towards valid statements.
Maybe it's true that there are very few people around (hero's, for a lack of a better word) that others can rely on to earnestly try to decipher the craziness. Hey, I'm the fool, the ignorant one, who face palms myself on a daily and sometimes hourly basis. I realize now that I was holding you to a standard that I shouldn't have and that's not to be interrupted as you are lesser-than, as you certainly are not!

In conclusion, and imo, there is a very serious double standard aimed at "Republicans" in comparison to the "Democrats". The truth is that the Republicans deserve it because they have a long history of submitting easily when it's time to take a stand.
The tide is turning now and the craziness happening today is happening because the Republicans are in the process of standing firm to their ideologies and this ramps up the other side.

The double-standard can't be any more evident...
The black Conservative man currently dominating the airwaves is taking hits that, for now, another somewhat-black man clearly had a pass when campaigning for the office of Presidency a few years ago.
These accusers are being strongly protected even though no one has filed a lawsuit or criminal complaint.
Clinton's accusers were silenced when possible.

Here-say and non proof has now been given a power that it shouldn't have.

I have a few issues with Cain but taking out the political ideology in all sides, this man is being demonized like no man should have to go through without a lawsuit or criminal filings. They should have something tangible to fight against.
It's a lawless lynching, trial by here'say.

eta: My messages do not alert me to any replies so it might take a while before responding.

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I agree with many posters...what supporters?...this guy is so awful i can't find words....he is stupid, can't complete a correct sentence, has no idea that china has nukes, and should go back to his pizza joint and shut up....but, these women, i hope, have shoved him off "the stage" for good...he is clearly an unremorseful psychopath, as he showed us with his ridiculous press conference..(complete with his posturing, threatening, oh so subtly lawyer...yuck).so, tomorrow, when ten pictures or movies show up with he and "that woman he has never had in his life space" is standing next to him...we'll see....he reminds us that these politicians are all psychopaths...with only their personal agenda, and that of their benefactor's in mind....he is a perfect example of the trash we have to "lead' us....