Herman Cain Accused of Inappropriate Sexual Behavior: Two Women Receive Financial Settlements

reply to post by sweetliberty


I think there's a misunderstanding between us as regards the "Cain knowing about a settlement" issue. At least I'm confused on what your point is. The way I understand it, Cain first said that he was unaware of a settlement. Later that day, he remembered there was a settlement, he just didn't know the amount. So, when someone else said he didn't know about the settlement, I reminded them that that was revising history, because Cain had already copped to remembering.

And you take issue with that? I don't understand your position, I guess. Sorry.

As far as the rest of your points, fair enough. I have enjoyed yours and Indigo's posts very much in this thread.
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reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


I appreciate your replies, thank you. I guess we are misunderstanding each other, lol.

I lost track of the thread after a while so I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet but (as for my personal concern of Cain)... I recall he flip-flopped in his stance with Americans who turn "terrorist", being assassinated without a trial. First he's pro trial then he's not.
I added that to elaborate a little to show while I might agree with many of his positions, I certainly do wonder if he understands he's not in Kansas anymore and he can't ignore something just because it's not important in his own mind.
He should have prepared and had ample opportunity to do so. However, I can't believe he lacks in preparation as a habit since he's a very successful man. (thinking aloud)
Sorry to be repetitive but I truly wish all politicians had to go through the mill like this.



edit to add: After learning that the accuser is allowed to speak to the msm but she choses not to... The MSM should be sued by the Cain Campaign. They created another drama filled day attempting smear someones name but the story hits a dead end.
Since there won't be equal smearing to all public figures, the msm should be sued on a daily basis, maybe that would slow them down.

Originally posted by sweetliberty
After learning that the accuser is allowed to speak to the msm but she choses not to... The MSM should be sued by the Cain Campaign. They created another drama filled day attempting smear someones name but the story hits a dead end.

Kind of like the four-year drama the media created over Barack Obama's birth certificate issue, huh? I wonder if you think Obama should sue someone because of the smear campaign against him... What do you think? I mean, if Cain should sue over the media reporting on an actual true story, what would be the punishment for reporting on a story that is total fantasy and has NOTHING to back it up?

I gotta say, I'm enjoying seeing the same people who totally smeared Obama, now defending and protecting Cain from the evil media.... I wonder... if the same people who attack Obama daily were using the same scrutiny with Cain... Let me give you a taste:

We have a right to know if Cain sexually assaulted these innocent girls!
I want to see the agreement!
I want to know what he said to these woman!
We have a right to know!
He is a womanizer and doesn't deserve to be president!
How many other women have not come forth?
Cain has YET to prove he's innocent of these crimes.
Show us the Settlement!
What's he trying to hide?
He has NO political experience!!!!! (Oh, wait, for Obama that was a a bad thing, but for Cain, that's good!)

I think you get my drift.

Since there won't be equal smearing to all public figures, the msm should be sued on a daily basis, maybe that would slow them down.

Suing people on a daily basis? That doesn't sound like a freedom-loving conservative to me.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

He is a womanizer and doesn't deserve to be President.

What about Bill Clinton. Did he deserve to be President BH? Bet it didn't bother you that these he was a
womanizer!

Whoa! I just re read your post. Since when did sexual harassment become sexual assault? Big jump there!
No one has accused Cain of sexual assault.

Sure this has been posted, but didn't you see where one woman does not care to discuss the issue at all.
If Cain was truly guilty, I would think she would be "chomping at the bit" to get her story out there. I know
I would.

Funny, how this has not effected him in the polls.

Pax

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


There are no more investigative reporters, just drama-queens.
Had there been any sexual assault, there would have been a police report. What we have is women who dealt with their issue the way they chose to deal with it.
The media didn't have much to go on so they saturated the news with nothing.
I'm willing to address the issue when they bring facts and concrete evidence as professionals used to do.

As for Obama and his multiple million dollar (and counting) birth certificate, well I know where his heart lies and that has always been enough for me, he can continue to protect it and take it to his grave as far as I'm concerned.
His actions speak louder, there's no need for innuendos or smearing from the msm or anyone else. The company he keeps speaks for him too.

As far as experience.... Cain's debate with Clinton on 04 gives a little hint in his fiscal experience as he spoke reality to Clinton and Clintons fantasy numbers, lol.
We will likely never see a (real) debate between Obama and a Republican. If so, Obama wouldn't (and doesn't) have a clue how the private sector runs.
The debate would have well over half the nation and countries pissing their pants and crying from laughing so hard at Obama's non-teleprompting so called experience. I would be a party favorate

Cain: cut up the credit cards and give the people and the States more power.
Obama: Me, mine, my, I. 100% with me or 100% bad bad people who need their property damaged or controlled.
Cain: ...one for you, one for me, two for you, two for me...
Obama: ... one for you, ten for me (because victims and minorities need more), one for you, ten for me, lol.
He's no different than the OWS who won't share their food with the homeless or that fat guy, Michael Moore who's a part of the 1% but denies it. What's your's is there's and there's is there's... Obama's fantasies of reality is not real world experience.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


The Cain drama was/is a distraction and another dose of the drug we so love to take.
With more proof, testimony, and/or admittance, sure, we'd have something to consider but I have to wonder what we're not seeing through the circus and finger pointing.
What should have been front page news.

We drink up until the next episode of One life to live or As the world turns.
It's scary actually.

Originally posted by paxnatus
Whoa! I just re read your post. Since when did sexual harassment become sexual assault? Big jump there!
No one has accused Cain of sexual assault.

Sure this has been posted, but didn't you see where one woman does not care to discuss the issue at all.
If Cain was truly guilty, I would think she would be "chomping at the bit" to get her story out there. I know
I would.

Funny, how this has not effected him in the polls.

Pax

Of course Herman Cain is still looking great in the polls.
Everyone sees this MSM - smear campaign - as a joke.

Nice try.

reply to post by Eurisko2012

Herman Cain Stands Behind Claim That Rick Perry’s Staffer Leaked Story

abcnews.go.com...

So who is trying to smear mr Cain?

This is why I believe that the GOP will sabotage Herman's political career back to pizza hut.

I'm not exactly sure why the RNC hates Cain so much but I have a feeling they actually believe their own hype about being the party of "family values" and sexual indiscretion, abuse, or inappropriate behavior, or being gay is a one way ticket back to the private sector.

Even Newt is just engaging in political masturbation with his supposed candidacy; I hope....

Hillary vs. Perry............. who wants a piece of that one?

reply to post by paxnatus

Originally posted by paxnatus
What about Bill Clinton. Did he deserve to be President BH? Bet it didn't bother you that these he was a
womanizer!

Uh, I think you missed the sarcasm. I was comparing what people said about Obama to what someone with the same critical eye MIGHT say about Cain... You know... "Show us the settlement and this will all go away"! as compared to "Show us the Certificate and this will all go away"! Sorry for the misunderstanding, but I thought it was obvious...

reply to post by paxnatus


Even after a second read you didn't get it? I suggest dropping your assumptions and reading it again, carefully... If you still don't get it, I'll try to explain.

Originally posted by sweetliberty
As for Obama and his multiple million dollar (and counting) birth certificate,

I'm not going to get back into the BC thing, but you making this accusation (without a shred of proof) is exactly the same as someone calling Cain a sexual predator.

Originally posted by sweetliberty
The Cain drama was/is a distraction and another dose of the drug we so love to take.

JUST like the Obama birth certificate, Muslim, terrorist, gay, flag pin, doesn't-say-the-pledge distractions!

reply to post by whaaa


Herman Cain's claims don't mean anything to me now. He's already proven to me that he is willing to lie to cover his ass, so I'm not inclined to put any stake in his claims.

Cain's Favorability Drops

The poll showed the percentage of Republicans who view Cain favorably dropped 9 percentage points
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A majority of respondents, 53 percent, believe sexual harassment allegations against Cain are true despite his denials.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by sweetliberty

As for Obama and his multiple million dollar (and counting) birth certificate,

I'm not going to get back into the BC thing, but you making this accusation (without a shred of proof) is exactly the same as someone calling Cain a sexual predator.

Uhm, I didn't bring it up, you did. This is the rest of the sentence you left out.

well I know where his heart lies and that has always been enough for me,he can continue to protect it and take it to his grave as far as I'm concerned. *

The following is your post, initiating the subject of the B.C. Is this how the left work? They bring up something then drop it and reply as if it was one of those birthers at it again?

Kind of like the four-year drama the media created over Barack Obama's birth certificate issue, huh? I wonder if you think Obama should sue someone because of the smear campaign against him... What do you think?

The following is a quote from you to another poster who felt the Democrats get a pass in the media/sex scandals.

YES, Bill Clinton had sex scandals. They were HIGHLY reported on. The man was freaking IMPEACHED! And you think he "got a pass" because he's a Democrat! OMG. I can't handle it. I'm laughing so hard!

This article and audio was tweeted today. Ironically, the interview mentions that...

1.) Paula Jones was given a 16 second interview by ABC in February of 1994 and wasn't mentioned again until Clinton got a defense attorney in May of 1994.
2.) Juanita Broderick was given only 3 reports from the MSM in 1999.

3.) Kathleen Willey (interviewed in article below) was given three reports 1997.


4.) Herman Cain was given at least 50 reports in no time at all.

mrctv.org...
The interview mentions the three ladies at about the 5:00 minute mark. Most of the 9 minute interview is very informational.
Kathleen Willey mentions the bias with the press, networks and anchors. To those who are shunned and smeared, .... it's not anything to laugh at.

Faceless, nameless people who hide behind their attorneys should not throw allegations into the public if their not going to back it up! But you go ahead and call Cain a lier and such, laugh it up, it's not you in the spotlight.

Faceless, nameless people


*bolding mine

reply to post by sweetliberty


I really have no idea of the point you are trying to make. If you think everyone but Cain gets a pass, go ahead and think that. But you're not going to convince me that Clinton OR Obama got passes when scandals were brought up... If that's the point you're trying to make, OK, but I strongly disagree. I don't see any need to argue this further.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by sweetliberty

 

I really have no idea of the point you are trying to make. If you think everyone but Cain gets a pass, go ahead and think that. But you're not going to convince me that Clinton OR Obama got passes when scandals were brought up... If that's the point you're trying to make, OK, but I strongly disagree. I don't see any need to argue this further.

Please read the above post again,(or for a first time) .... nameless, faceless people hiding behind their lawyers, and not backing up their accusations.
There are faces and statements ect. backing up facts pertaining to Clinton. You said there wasn't in earlier posts to Eurisko2012.

I'm curious how you think Cain is "lying". Are whispers from ghosts more credible than the word of a Black Conservative?
My previous post gives facts to the media bias between the parties, did you listen to the audio interview in the article?
What I posted was proof of things that you claimed didn't exist, you heartily laughing at the other poster as if he/she made things up.

My point was what we all try to do when participating on ATS.... to give facts, dates, to show the other side of the coin.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

I don't see any need to argue this further.

I sincerely apologize if you think I'm "arguing" with you in any other fashion than a debate/ giving facts from the other side.

reply to post by sweetliberty


You seem to thin that I have the opinion that Cain is guilty of harassment. I do not. The facts are the facts. Two women charged him and a settlement of 5 figures was paid to each woman. Those are the facts. That doesn't mean the women are telling the truth and I know that.

What makes me say that Herman Cain lied is that he first said that he wasn't aware of a settlement and then he suddenly remembered it. To say that he was unaware of a settlement was a lie.

Frankly, I'd rather let this go. But I hate to end on a misunderstanding. I started this thread because it came out in the news. I don't even know if Cain harassed these women or not. I really don't care, either. In the end, it's not going to matter whether he did or didn't.

I don't know what point you're trying to make with the whole Paula Jones thing. I don't know the meaning of "reports" or the significance. There are plenty of people saying that Clinton got a pass. Hearing someone else say it doesn't alter the fact that I was there and remember it. The situation was also different in that these women came out and were identified. And it was 20 years ago. If your point is that the "news" has changed over those years, well, that's pretty clear. But Clinton did not get a pass because I remember the coverage.

Originally posted by sweetliberty
The following is your post, initiating the subject of the B.C. Is this how the left work? They bring up something then drop it and reply as if it was one of those birthers at it again?

WTF? I'm done with this. You're not making ANY sense to me. Sorry. I tried my best to explain my position and you go partisan on me. I don't need it. I'm out.

Originally posted by sweetliberty
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by sweetliberty

As for Obama and his multiple million dollar (and counting) birth certificate,

I'm not going to get back into the BC thing, but you making this accusation (without a shred of proof) is exactly the same as someone calling Cain a sexual predator.

Uhm, I didn't bring it up, you did. This is the rest of the sentence you left out.

Hey Sweet Liberty. I don't think BH was taking issue with the Birth Certificate analogy, only with the fact that the claim that President Obama spent millions to hide his birth certificate has been debunked repeatedly.

With Cain we have actual Court Documents alledging the claims.

So for someone to leap from suspecting he is Kenyan...to claiming he spent millions to hide that fact..all without any proof would be the same as someone leaping from the settlement allegations to declaring that it has been proven that Cain is a Sexual Predator and regularly abuses women. Well actually to stretch reality in a comparable way we would have to accuse Cain of worse things..

Both claims are missing evidence.

I agree...and I think in your heart you must agree...that if then candidate Obama had had a similiar scandal involving court docs, the right would have declared him a known serial rapist...from Kenya.

The news cycle spent several weeks on Obama because he fist bumped his wife after a speech...I remember Fox news slo-moing over and over while commentators discussed terrorist hand signs.

Cain has been treated very well by the media considering there are multiple public court settlements as evidence.

Allred and another Cain accuser to hold news conference

Famed defense attorney Gloria Allred says another woman who alleges she was sexually harassed by Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain will go public in a news conference in New York on Monday.

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

With Gloria Allred involved, this is likely to turn into a major circus. This ought to be interesting.

reply to post by Aggie Man

Three women have alleged Cain harassed them when they worked for the National Restaurant Association while he headed the group in the 1990s. Allred said that the woman she will appear with at the news conference isn't one of those three.

And now this makes FOUR?