Herman Cain Accused of Inappropriate Sexual Behavior: Two Women Receive Financial Settlements

reply to post by Indigo5


The Herman Cain press conference was an A+.

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Please keep the blonde bimbos coming to the TV. We need the money!

It's obvious to everyone what is going on.

The plan is to get Herman Cain mired in baseless accusations. It won't work.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
So what?

Obama was - handpicked - by George Soros. It goes both ways.

BTW, truth be told.....How many times has George Soros been in the White House???

That makes the Koch Brothers my new best friends because...?

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I saw the Herman Cain press conference. A+

I think that blonde bimbo

BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Guess where HR stopped this meeting.

reply to post by FallenWun


George Soros is worse than the Koch brothers.

The U.S. economy will grow under President Cain.

We need to get the unemployment rate under 5% ASAP.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by whaaa

 

Herman Cain is looking very strong in Ohio. Try Real Clear Politics.com for the truth.

Cain 34 / Romney 19 / Gingrich 20 / Paul 5

You only get about half of this, right?

I think Ohio has a lot of electoral college votes. Cain.....toast??? Wishful thinking. Nice try.

You think those are to be divied up among those 4 people?

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To be honest, i was expecting these dirty tricks.

Me too, but I caught ya.

The good news is that it won't change the wonderful ending November 2012.

Bye, bye Obama.

edit on 9-11-2011 by Eurisko2012 because: (no reason given)

It really helps if you actually understand how presidential elections work.

Poll Date Sample Obama (D) Cain (R) Spread
RCP Average 10/7 - 11/5 -- 48.6 41.2 Obama +7.4
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 11/2 - 11/5 RV 53 38 Obama +15
ABC News/Wash Post 10/31 - 11/3 RV 50 45 Obama +5
Reuters/Ipsos 10/31 - 11/3 937 RV 46 41 Obama +5
Rasmussen Reports 10/30 - 10/31 1000 LV 43 38 Obama +5
Quinnipiac 10/25 - 10/31 2294 RV 50 40 Obama +10
USA Today/Gallup 10/26 - 10/27 908 RV 48 46 Obama +2
Associated Press/GfK 10/13 - 10/17 1000 A 49 43 Obama +6
Time 10/9 - 10/10 838 LV 50 38 Obama +12
PPP (D) 10/7 - 10/10 700 RV 48 42 Obama +6
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 11/2 - 11/5 RV 53 38 Obama +15
ABC News/Wash Post 10/31 - 11/3 RV 50 45 Obama +5
Reuters/Ipsos 10/31 - 11/3 937 RV 46 41 Obama +5
Rasmussen Reports 10/30 - 10/31 1000 LV 43 38 Obama +5
Quinnipiac 10/25 - 10/31 2294 RV 50 40 Obama +10
USA Today/Gallup 10/26 - 10/27 908 RV 48 46 Obama +2
Rasmussen Reports 10/22 - 10/23 1000 LV 44 38 Obama +6
Associated Press/GfK 10/13 - 10/17 1000 A 49 43 Obama +6
Rasmussen Reports 10/14 - 10/15 1000 LV 41 43 Cain +2
Time 10/9 - 10/10 838 LV 50 38 Obama +12
PPP (D) 10/7 - 10/10 700 RV 48 42 Obama +6
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/6 - 10/10 RV 49 38 Obama +11
Rasmussen Reports 10/6 - 10/7 1000 LV 42 39 Obama +3
Rasmussen Reports 9/26 - 9/27 1000 LV 39 34 Obama +5
Rasmussen Reports 8/23 - 8/24 1000 LV 42 35 Obama +7
PPP (D) 8/18 - 8/21 700 RV 49 39 Obama +10
FOX News 7/17 - 7/19 904 RV 48 35 Obama +13
PPP (D) 7/15 - 7/17 928 RV 48 36 Obama +12
PPP (D) 6/9 - 6/12 520 RV 48 38 Obama +10
Reuters/Ipsos 6/3 - 6/6 1132 A 53 34 Obama +19
Rasmussen Reports 3/26 - 3/27 1000 LV 43 25 Obama +18
PPP (D) 3/10 - 3/13 642 RV 47 29 Obama +18
Rasmussen Reports 1/27 - 1/28 1000 LV 42 25 Obama +17

Obama kicks Cain's ass all over the place.
Be sure to double check my source.
RealClearPolitics.com

reply to post by FallenWun


When you add up the electoral votes on November 2012 Obama will be packing his bags
at the White House.
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Cain has a strong lead against the other republicans.

The Cain Train is unstoppable.

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We haven't even had a presidential debate between the Capitalist Herman Cain and the
Socialist Barack Obama.

The American people will decide. As the economy gets worse Obama will probably
step aside in January 2012 and let Hillary Clinton run for the democrats.

Her polling is stronger than Obamas.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by FallenWun

 

George Soros is worse than the Koch brothers.

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO ARGUE HERE? I couldn't care less if he eats kittens for breakfast. That does not make the Koch brothers interested in my best interests. Hey, aids can be worse than some cancers. You want some of those cancers then, right?

The U.S. economy will grow under President Cain.

Saying empty happy sounding things is easy and fun but useless.

We need to get the unemployment rate under 5% ASAP.

So far his plan on that seems a tad thin. You are not even sure why you support him. You just know you really really do.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by FallenWun

 

When you add up the electoral votes on November 2012 Obama will be packing his bags
at the White House.

You sure hope but you need to stop pretending you have some insight into the future because your predictions are pretty funny so far and I have seen what happens on ATS when people predict crap that never happens. They start predicting more stuff, more often. Good luck!

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Cain has a strong lead against the other republicans.

The Cain Train is unstoppable.

And he still loses to Obama. What does that tell you about bags getting packed?

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We haven't even had a presidential debate between the Capitalist Herman Cain and the
Socialist Barack Obama.

I would pay for that myself right now.

The American people will decide. As the economy gets worse Obama will probably
step aside in January 2012 and let Hillary Clinton run for the democrats.

Her polling is stronger than Obamas.

So you do not even care if what you write seem intelligent and informed?

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Your posts are appreciated and I'd rather not post the same thing again and again but you're asking again on a couple of things and about something new, I can respect that so here's what I'm trying to say.

For someone who tries to stay neutral, you belittle (5th post) a posters valid comments, in comparison to media coverage with the Right vs Left. There is ample proof (I posted proof of it with 3 separate women, time allotted and even how years) past before Clinton was forced to face his accuser. Regardless, the credible post certainly didn't warrant such belittling since it was true and not just an opinion. I hope we can move past this today.

What I find strange is you accuse me of not reading or listening to sources when I DID.

What I found strange is that you still seem confused even after providing sources/FACTS to show the blatant DOUBLE-STANDARD

or a hero (except maybe in my husbands''s eyes)

I love that :

All your talk about Republicans and Democrats is really beside the point. I am neither and have never been. I vote for the person not the party. I don't see the double-standard. The parties are different, but both are worthless, IMO.

This is also my position, "the person not the party"!
While I would prefer to use Liberal or Conservative, sometimes Rep. or Dem. is used when talking to those who use those words or if it's in the title.
Staying neutral is the best but to say

But I spend a lot of time on or near the fence and not out in the extremes

is a little bit of a stretch especially when I'm interested in a thread on abortions and while reading posts and coming across your's, there is certainly an extreme opinion, lol. Your posts seem to disregard overly excessive abortions and worse.(I'd rather not go into detail on this thread but can u2u you or something). Just giving one example as you're inquiring more explanations. Neutrality in politics and social issues is something we all strive for but it's sometimes used as a cloak and the only one not seeing it is usually the one referring to it.

The following is an example of what I was talking about earlier. First, there is no proof the payout to the two anonymous women was based on sexual harassment as I've heard and read more than once when some of the media corrects that claim of "sexual harassment". I will do a search to back that up and add it to the thread.
Second, when someone is linked to people who've been proven to be a terrorist, you seem to excuse their friendship but accusations towards someone else of sexual harassment seems to be a worse topic in your opinion.

While terrorism is a crime, to "pal around with a terrorist" is NOT a crime. President Obama has never been charged with terrorism.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
The rest of your post is further proof of excusing one side while convicting the other. Thats hardly neutral esp when you claim Cain "has been charge by at least three women". Had these women truly charged Cain, there would have been a criminal complaint. So to throw out there that the accusations against Cain might be criminal because some harassment can be considered criminal is just planting propaganda seeds against Cain, is hardly being neutral.

When you're asked how you would react if this was Obama instead of Cain, you claim you'd react the same, yet you're excusing Obama so that pal-ing with proven terrorists is far less important than what Cain might have done....., yet you cloak behind the "it's not a crime"...


I respect those who desire to strive for neutrality but after a while it appears to be an excuse for those who already have the accuser found guilty and are simply waiting for the dirt.
Both Obama and Cain seek the Presidency in 2012. Both are being judged

But to excuse a man who holds the highest office in the nation for having terrorist pals under the curtain of what is a crime and what isn't......while lying in wait for someone you've repeatedly called a lier is hardly neutral.

We're learning more and more each day on both sides of the spectrum of the accusations, and I hope the media realizes their repetitive smears (from either side, L or R) is further harming their future. Last nights Republican Debate is a great example. From what I've heard from the news, the moderator was booed more than once when asking a question about the accusations. Then the mod was applauded when he asked a question about the Economy. The people of America are tried of the roundy-round looping of attacks aired throughout the day.

reply to post by sweetliberty

Originally posted by sweetliberty
For someone who tries to stay neutral, you belittle (5th post) a posters valid comments, in comparison to media coverage with the Right vs Left.

You're mistaken. You should read that post CAREFULLY again. I did not belittle the idea of right vs left media coverage.The comment I belittled was because it was contradictory: The poster said that Bill Clinton was linked to numerous sex scandals - and then went on to claim that there was no sex scandal around Bill Clinton. I belittled the contradictory statement.

is a little bit of a stretch especially when I'm interested in a thread on abortions and while reading posts and coming across your's, there is certainly an extreme opinion,

I'm not claiming that I don't have any opinions. I said I spend a lot of time on or near the fence and I try to be neutral until I see the evidence. That is not a stretch. That's true. There are certain subjects that I do have a strong opinion on.

First, there is no proof the payout to the two anonymous women was based on sexual harassment

Yes, there is. From the NRA Statement

“Based upon the information currently available, we can confirm that more than a decade ago, in July 1999, Mr. Bennett’s client filed a formal internal complaint, in accordance with the Association’s existing policies prohibiting discrimination and harassment. Mr. Herman Cain disputed the allegations in the complaint. The Association and Mr. Bennett’s client subsequently entered into an agreement to resolve the matter, without any admission of liability.

Second, when someone is linked to people who've been proven to be a terrorist, you seem to excuse their friendship but accusations towards someone else of sexual harassment seems to be a worse topic in your opinion.

I don't do guilt by association. Obama was, at one time, friends or acquaintances with Ayers. That doesn't mean Obama is like Ayers. There are people from my past that I wouldn't associate with now. Just because someone was my friend at one time doesn't mean that I respect them, want to be like them, or ever agreed with what they did. Obama was not charged with terrorism (except by a few ATS members and right wing blogs)

I don't know if Cain is guilty or not, but if he is, it IS worse than having a past friend turn into a terrorist. That is not a reflection on Obama.

The rest of your post is further proof of excusing one side while convicting the other.

I have not convicted anyone!. You're attempt to find fault with me and my positions is very interesting to me... You seem to think I'm some sort of super human or robot, without opinions or positions, remaining neutral on all subjects... I never made that claim. I find it interesting that you keep talking about ME... trying to find fault with me...

esp when you claim Cain "has been charge by at least three women". Had these women truly charged Cain, there would have been a criminal complaint.

That's not true. A "charge" of sexual harassment can be verbal. You have charged me with being rude. That's a charge. Doesn't mean the law is involved.

So to throw out there that the accusations against Cain might be criminal because some harassment can be considered criminal is just planting propaganda seeds against Cain

The poster said sexual harassment is not a crime. The simple truth is that it can be. I was explaining to the poster how the law is involved in harassment claims. Sharing facts, not propaganda.

When you're asked how you would react if this was Obama instead of Cain, you claim you'd react the same

If Obama had been accused of harassment by 4 women, and two of them got payouts from it, You better believe I would react the same! I don't hold Obama accountable for Ayer's actions, only his own. I have explained that. Guilt by association is not good enough. Cain didn't "hang around with" a sexual predator. He's charged with BEING one. When Obama is charged with BEING a terrorist and there's something to back it up, like the NRA statement, then I'll reconsider.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


You're comments are very much appreciated, thank you.
The elections are becoming more and more interesting and it's going to be very interesting how it all ends.

I wish you a great day

reply to postbysweetliberty


Beautiful and intelligent post!! Thank you for addressing some of my concerns with BH as well. You sited
my thread with your explanation and stated my position as well. Just want to say I appreciate it.

Pax

Originally posted by paxnatus
Thank you for addressing some of my concerns with BH as well.

I hope you got your "concerns" addressed. If you guys have further "concerns" about me, personally, may I suggest a PM instead of hijacking the thread with personal assumptions and incorrect information? Thanks.

Now, back to Herman Cain and his accusers.

Cain claimed he didn't remember Bailek at all. Kind of strange since they allegedly talked face to face just last month.

Accuser says Cain has "complete amnesia"

Bialek has said she approached Cain after he gave a speech at a Chicago-area tea party event several weeks ago. She denied reports that she hugged him at the event, saying instead that she grabbed his arm and whispered in his ear.

She told WMAQ-TV in Chicago in an interview broadcast Wednesday evening that Cain told her at the Tea Party event that he remembered her.

Witness to Cain/Bialek Meeting

The Sneed source ... is WIND radio co-host Amy Jacobson, who tells Sneed she witnessed the Cain/Bialek encounter a month ago while backstage at the AM 560 WIND sponsored TeaCon meeting in Schaumburg Sept. 30-Oct. 1 at the Renaissance Hotel and Convention Center.

If this is true (and a WND employee is making this claim), it's funny how Cain claims he never before saw this woman...

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

you guys

Sorry, I don't know the other poster, no one is teaming against you

As for the gold-digger approaching Cain last month at a Tea Party event, she claimed to have approached Cain to see if he "recognized" her from the NRA days.

Do you expect Cain or any other candidate to recall each and every person who's approached them?
If so, that's amazing.

reply to post by sweetliberty


I don't think you're working together... I'm addressing both or you as you both seem to be concerned about my opinions and basically my integrity. I address you together as "you guys", but I do realize that you are two different people.

And Bialek claims that Cain SAID he remembered her. He remembered her after 15 years, but a month later he doesn't? She may be lying, but it is her claim.

As the now two public accusers face a storm of scrutiny over their past while at the same time trying to convince the other alledged victims to come forward....

Cain's new attorney just told any other potential victims thinking about comming forward to "Think Twice".

www.nytimes.com...

Cain's attorney should be disbarred.

And the idea that they would choose to threaten other women from comming forward rather than face the allegations head on in a factual matter say a great deal.

And while I was first intrigued by people posting here that Cain offered to take a lie detector test, after researching what he actually said, I realized it was just BS.

"Yes. I absolutely would," Cain said when asked about taking a test. "But I'm not going to do that unless I have a good reason to do that.

Good reason? How about 2 public settlements, 5 women and several other witnesses all accusing you of sexual harrasment? How about assuring the American People that you don't serially abuse your authority to demand sexual favors? You don't have a good reason to put this scnadal to rest? To affirm everything that you have been saying? How about simply out of respect to your wife and her dignity. Not a good reason? WTF? What is a good reason?

He's not taking a lie detector test. He hired a lawyer and a crisis PR agency that he refuses to name...read they play dirty, spreading BS about these women....but he won't take 10 minutes to submit to a polygraph, because he doesn't have a good enough reason too? This guy is full of it...guilty or not of the claims, he is a BSer of the first order.

Just peachy. The Attorney that Cain has hired is the same guy who represented Gary Condit.

In 2001, Condit became the subject of international news coverage after the May 1 disappearance of Chandra Levy, a young woman working as a Washington, D.C. intern originally from Condit's district. Police questioned him twice, and Condit denied having an affair with her; however, after Levy's aunt went public with conversations she has had with her missing niece about the adulterous liaison, police questioned him a third time, and Condit confessed to the relationship.[6][7] When the affair began, Condit was 53 and Levy was 23.

While Condit was not named as an official suspect in the disappearance, Levy's family suspected that Condit was withholding important information about the intern's disappearance. Public interest was high, and Condit's reputation suffered from the contrast between his "pro-family" politics and adultery with a woman two years younger than his daughter, and his attempts to mislead the police regarding the nature of his relationship with her.

In July, two months after Levy vanished, Condit agreed to let investigators search his apartment, but hours before the search, police said he was spotted throwing out a gift box he had received from another woman in a dumpster in one of Washington's Virginia suburbs.[6] Suspicion deepened when Condit tried to avoid answering direct questions during a televised interview with news anchor Connie Chung on August 23.[citation needed] This followed news reports that Condit had an affair with flight attendant Anne Marie Smith.[8]

Condit mostly disappeared from the news after the September 11, 2001 attacks.[9] Condit kept his seat on the Intelligence Committee, retained his security clearance, and was one of a small number of members of Congress who were cleared to see the most sensitive information on the 9/11 attacks. On December 7, 2001, he announced he would run for re-election. He lost the primary election in March 2002 to his former aide, then-Assemblyman Dennis Cardoza, and left Congress at the end of his term in January 2003. It was the first election Condit ever lost.[10] Condit's most notable vote in his last months in office was the House of Representatives resolution to expel Congressman James Traficant after his conviction on corruption charges. In the 420-1 vote on July 24, 2002, Gary Condit was the sole "nay".[11]

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


More and more I seem to read or hear the talking heads, msm, warning Cain to take a look at his staff.
This was just tweeted and I have to agree that he needs to make some necessary changes before his staff hurts him even further.

Here's an example from Eric Erickson, a writer with RedState...
www.redstate.com...

Last week, J.D. Gordon had a disastrous performance on a Blackberry on Geraldo’s show. His performance set the tone for the Monday news shows, all of which pointed out that your own communications vice president would not deny the story. Then Mark Block went on TV to blame Curt Anderson only to walk it back the next day. This week, Mark Block again went on TV, said he had verified the identify of a reporter as the son of your accuser, and got it totally wrong. But he said it was verified. It was a lie.

The worst kind of betrayal is when it's the one's closest to you.
Herman Cain does seem ill prepared and haphazard at times. The only person who seems like a professional (besides Cain...had to add that ) is his attorney.

I think he'd be better off if he had no staff at all versus what he has now.

... And his fifth accuser speaks out.

Fifth Woman Accuses Cain of Inappropriate Behavior

According to Donella, a 30-something businesswoman from Egypt asked a question after the speech. ”[A]fter the seminar was over,” Donella told The Washington Examiner, “Cain came over to me and a colleague and said, ‘Could you put me in touch with that lovely young lady who asked the question, so I can give her a more thorough answer over dinner?’”

Donna Donella said both she and the colleague got a creepy vibe from his request. ”I couldn’t swear that he had some untoward intentions, but we all thought his tone was suspect and we didn’t feel comfortable putting him in touch with that woman,” she told the Examiner. When the women declined to introduce him to the Egyptian woman, Cain allegedly replied, “Then you and I can have dinner” (presumably in a way that implied the two of them would be alone). Two other female colleagues, who apparently overheard this whole conversation, then intervened, suggesting they all get dinner together. Which they did, Donella said, adding that Cain ordered two bottles of $400 wine and stuck the women with the bill. At least he did not sexually harass any of them during dinner!

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Investigator: Herman Cain Innocent of Sexual Advances

After listening to Cain's speech and analyzing it, Ward said there is no doubt, Cain is innocent.

ATLANTA (CBS ATLANTA) - Private investigator TJ Ward said presidential hopeful Herman Cain was not lying at a news conference on Tuesday in Phoenix. Cain denied making any sexual actions towards Sharon Bialek and vowed to take a polygraph test if necessary to prove his innocence. Cain has not taken a polygraph but Ward said he does have software that does something better.

This is very interesting.
The video goes into more detail than what I will be quoting.

The software analyzes the stress level and other factors in your voice. During the speech, when Cain denied the claims, the lie detector read "low risk." According to Ward, that means Cain is telling the truth.

He goes on to say his machine is more accurate than a lie detector. The lie detector is about 50% accurate as his is more like 95% accurate.

He says Sharon Bialek is "high risk"...

During the section of Bialek's news conference where she says, "He suddenly reached over put his hand on my leg under my skirt and reached for my genitals he also grabbed my head brought it towards his crotch." During the analysis of that section the software said "high risk statement." Ward said that means she is not telling the truth about what happened. "I don't think she is fabricating her meetings," said Ward. But, she is fabricating what transpired."

This appears to be a popular software.

Ward said nearly 70 law enforcement agencies nationwide use the voice software, including the Forsyth County Sheriff's Office. Ward said the technology is a scientific measure that law enforcement use as a tool to tell when someone is lying and that it has a 95 percent success rate.

ETA: Oh how I hope this is used on Obama!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by sweetliberty
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

Investigator: Herman Cain Innocent of Sexual Advances

After listening to Cain's speech and analyzing it, Ward said there is no doubt, Cain is innocent.

T.J. Ward happens to own the voice analysis technology he sells by inserting himself into high profile cases.

And the technology is highly unreliable at best.

He and his gizmo found Joanna Hayes innocent, “They both took a layered voice analysis test and we found no deception,” said Ward,

while..

Hayes was convicted in the Target murder case
www.ajc.com...

Further more his "voice stress analysis" software has been researched and proven a sham...

"We tested one of the more popular voice-stress lie detection technologies and got dismal results, both in the system's ability to detect people actually engaged in deception and in its ability to exclude those not attempting to be deceptive," said Mitchell S. Sommers, an associate professor of psychology in Arts & Sciences at Washington University in St. Louis.

"In our evaluation, voice-stress analysis detected some instances of deception, but its ability to do so was consistently less than chance — you could have gotten better results by flipping a coin," Sommers said.

Sommers' research was supported by and conducted in conjunction with the Department of Defense Polygraph Institute (DODPI), located in Fort Jackson, S.C.

news.wustl.edu...

T.J. Ward is a publicity hound and the software he is pitching is BS.

All of that is seperate from this scandal or the veracity of the allegations.

His "lie detector" according to actual research is less reliable than flipping a coin.

The idea that the Cain camp would spin this story out rather than submit to an actual Polygraph says a great deal to me.

Here from Wikipedia to sum up Wards product

Voice stress analysis has been described as pseudoscientific,[4] and there is no known scientific basis for the underlying theory of "microtremors".

Federally funded research in the United States showed "little validity" in the technique.[5]

A study by Virginia State in 2003, at which time the technique was in widespread use, concluded that "Because there have been no independent scientific studies conducted on the reliability of the computer voice analyzer to detect deception, the Board recommends to the Director of the Department of Professional and Occupational Regulation that computer voice analyzer equipment should not be approved in Virginia at this time.",[6] though a number of academic studies are available which call into question the validity of the technique[7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14]

There is tension between the voice stress analysis community and the polygraph community, due in the main to the fact that the polygraph is heavily regulated and has been subject to numerous detailed scientific studies,

while voice stress analysis is largely unregulated and there are few studies (other than by manufacturers and proponents) which show results better than chance.