This Whole "Occupy Wallstreet" thing seems like theater of the absurd.

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by MasterGemini

 

I just got a good job and there were 10 new hires in my orientation class....the reason they hire so many is due to very few actually can do the job and stay with it once they see the work involved. The agency I am working for hires 5-15 people every month, not because they are growing... because people lack the ability to do the job, or they quit.

It's a good job, benefits, company car, decent insurance...I'm grateful, I am no spring chicken & I have zero degrees... what I do have is an impeccable resume and the willingness to do many things I didn't want to do to achieve it

I am not full of it! If I can find a GOOD job in this economy many people could find a crap job and work up to it just like I did.

What type of job are you talking about?

Selling insurance? Retirement plans?

Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by MasterGemini
Cinead

There are plenty of stats on it, google... I am not against unemployment, I am against continuing to extend if for people not willing to accept jobs they find beneath them, big difference.

What jobs?

You are totally full of it . . .

edit on 5-10-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)

Go to Monster.com

Pick your city.

Put in the key word "administrative"

Jobs... LOTS AND LOTS of them.

Who is getting administrative jobs straight out of college with no "experience"?

Why do you think there are LOTS AND LOTS of them . . .

Are you serious?

Originally posted by Honor93

Originally posted by MasterGemini
Cinead

There are plenty of stats on it, google... I am not against unemployment, I am against continuing to extend if for people not willing to accept jobs they find beneath them, big difference.

What jobs?

You are totally full of it . . .

edit on 5-10-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)

i will also beg to differ your opinion, my roommate just got a job a few weeks ago after his pvs employment closed their doors just 7mo ago ... sure, it took a while but it certainly existed or he wouldn't be working today.

yes, there are a lot of areas that don't have many opportunities but you have the ability to look elsewhere. It is no ones' fault but your own if you don't seek them out.

you know what i find amazing ??
those who have jobs available keep indicating the labor force applying are NOT skilled enough ... so, what good is that *degree* if you can't provide the Skills necessary?

Business and Retailing. It accounted for 70% of ALL economic activity in the country. As I was being educated to understand the fundamentals everything fell to pieces again.

Straddled with debt and working part time and odd jobs makes it impossible to save up to travel to other places to find employment. Its not like you can just up and go out there with NO capital and student debt to pay.

You seem to have no clue what the circumstances actually are.

Originally posted by reallywow

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by schuyler
It is. One of my favorite blogs, Ace of Spades, has this to say:

The Left doing what the Left does best: Marching to protest [fill this space with, literally, anything].

What do we want? Free unicorns!

OK, I'll bite...how about I fill that space with something inane, like 'Obama's Certificate of Live Birth"...oh that's right..that is the right..Cuz them Teapartiers sure do love themselves a protest!! Just as long as it is directed at that african in office!

The left seems to be protesting equally silly things...like historic unemployment and the economic collapse of the Middle Class....oh wait a second...that is not so funny.

edit on 4-10-2011 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)

TELL ME ABOUT IT...

Those damn Tea Partiers are the WORST racists EVER. **sarcasm font off**

Now you are just cracking me up.

"African" was the TP description, not mine...shall I post pics of signs? Youtubes?

I didn't call the Tea Party racist in that last post, I simply used the Precise Label they assigned to our President ...."African".

See...in case you didn't follow the news at the time....they claimed he was born in Kenya and thus thought it was not racist to refer to him with signage and in rhetoric as "African".

When confronted on the potential racist nature of such rhetoric, they claimed it was simple semantics since he was born in Kenya....but here you are reading racism into that exact description of our President and confirming the TP critics opinion....It's racist Thanks for that.

reply to post by MasterGemini

If a person had a college degree and showed they had the hootspa to manage a Mickey D's I would consider them.... if they have a degree and haven't even flipped a burger or cleaned a toilet or cashiered at a convenience store...no way, especially if they show up with things hanging out of their nose

Give me a kid that bought her first car from baby sitting money that belonged to 4H and I can make them a good employee. Send me a young man that got up to feed and walk dogs and put a few hrs in being a janitor to eath through college, I can teach him to be a good employee....send me someone that squeaked through college with C's and has a piece of paper on the wall but never held a broom....it's a PITA waiting to happen. That's just my take as someone that has had to hire workers

At the risk of sounding archaic, when I was a kid......everyone that went to college had to work as well, therefore when they had their degree they also had some work experience even if it wasn't in their chosen field. It showed character. Now working through school is considered *too much* for many.

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by MasterGemini

 

If a person had a college degree and showed they had the hootspa to manage a Mickey D's I would consider them.... if they have a degree and haven't even flipped a burger or cleaned a toilet or cashiered at a convenience store...no way, especially if they show up with things hanging out of their nose

Give me a kid that bought her first car from baby sitting money that belonged to 4H and I can make them a good employee. Send me a young man that got up to feed and walk dogs and put a few hrs in being a janitor to eath through college, I can teach him to be a good employee....send me someone that squeaked through college with C's and has a piece of paper on the wall but never held a broom....it's a PITA waiting to happen. That's just my take as someone that has had to hire workers

At the risk of sounding archaic, when I was a kid......everyone that went to college had to work as well, therefore when they had their degree they also had some work experience even if it wasn't in their chosen field. It showed character. Now working through school is considered *too much* for many.

You did not even read the articles I linked to to then . . . .

56% can barely even find part-time employment 6 months out. Including serving at restaurants and other jobs like that. It has nothing to do with earring.

What is your obsession with the few people out there with tattoos or piercings? its pointless and bigoted.

They have no experience in the fields they are seeking jobs in . . . . they have plenty of experience "flipping burgers" and doing other things you do at crappy jobs you work during college.

Too bad those don't count as experience and now count against us.

READ THE ARTICLE THEN COMMENT ON THE FACTS

PS

What type of job are you talking about? You never specified.

And your criteria for hiring someone is that they have a perfect record since they were children saving baby sitting money. You don't sound professional to me.

reply to post by MasterGemini


I saw your links, but I also have eyes and thanks to the internet I know people all over the world. I may not sound professional to you but if you are one of the people that don't have experience, all you have to base your opinion on is the article you source. I have yrs of hiring and supervising as well as firing behind me. What kind of work? Well it really doesn't matter what kind of business it is...I have managed laundrymats, hotels, bars, apartments, cafes, convenience stores....I have also taught yoga and filled administrative positions for non profits and private clubs.

What I have against the tattoos and piercing is many many of the current generation show up this way to work. Very unacceptable in most situations, the fact they do not understand this, and don't get me started on the saggy pants that reveal parts of their body I DONT want to see. Some of them look like gang bangers.

My point being the people who do the hiring are having a hard time finding good workers. The agency I am currently working for services adults and children with developmental disabilities. It is not hard physical work but it is very mentally demanding and carries a LOT of responsibility. They can't keep staff that do the job correctly!!! Hiring 5-15 people a month to find 1 or 2 that are worth keeping, that don't leave is a challenge....That tells me more than anything you can read on the internet

reply to post by Cinaed


I was a head coach for a boy's gymnastics team, a server at a restaurant, also did a third shift during summers with the city's children's program, all while being a mobile notary public for the state.

All during college, yet now I have no experience and I am not alone. only 13 of the 34 in my group have found employment out of college and 8 were computer science majors that already had full rides from their companies for being geniuses. the other 5 were a valedictorian from the u of a optics dept and 4 other full ride scholarship physics and chemical engineers.

Non technical degrees are getting crushed.

My family business' customers, all markets and convenience stores across my state, are struggling and laying people off and going out of business. I have a better picture and understanding of the economy than you think.

Sounds to me like you only hire and fire people and don't do any actual labor or work involved in the areas you "manage".

And your criteria for hiring someone is that they have a perfect record since they were children saving baby sitting money. You don't sound professional to me.

reply to post by MasterGemini


What I look for when selecting a new hire from the interviews is self discipline, motivation, organizational or trouble shooting skills and common sense.

No one said anything about perfection, just incentive and work ethic. All the things people do........or not, tell a story about them....

The job I just got was in part due to something I did in high school for extra credit. LOL that was a LONG time ago, but it helped me get the job

reply to post by MasterGemini

Oh I have pulled my time behind the trenches of doing the labor, how else would I have gotten proficient enough to teach others?

I fully understand the economy in some areas is REALLY struggling, I am not discounting it. The point I am trying to make is with so few jobs available now, why aren't more of the unemployed moving to where the work is? That is what generations have done before you. Often people go to school for one thing and end up doing something entirely different.

I am not saying times aren't hard, what I am saying is in such hard times, it seems to me there are some peeps that could try harder. This is part of the problem.

My generation has really done a disservice to yours by not passing on the work ethic and ability to think out of the box we were taught. For that we are VERY guilty...

I suppose you might begin to understand why people like me prefer to work for private, small business owners rather than big corporations. Such places of employment always look at life experience etc etc.

So see this puzzles me... how come you want to tax the little guy out existence for your wants, and work for the evil corporations you are complaining wont hire you? Why not support the local business owner than buy your junk at Fallapartmart? Sure I buy some stuff there too but I avoid it as much as possible. I often pay a little more to support the local Mom and Pop businesses. Do you?

It only seems absurd because the "news" outlets you watch aren't showing the truth

reply to post by gncnew


The point of this protest is to bring to everybody's attention the fraud that the Government and bankers are perpetrating against their own citizens, and as you mentioned, to let the rich know we're not going to take it any more. So they had better Give It Back, start paying taxes like everyone else, and stop taking America's wealth out of America! The idea is to block traffic and bring business to a full standstill. This is an important blitz to get the attention of the media, who have up until now, turned a blind eye. They're supposed to inform the public of the widespread theft of their tax money, their savings, their education money, their investments, their homes ... and lives. We the people are protesting the inequitable control and dominance of the world's economy by a handful of bankers who have the President of the United States in on the scam. The people are protesting the out-sourcing of their jobs, they are protesting unfair tax practises, and they are protesting Wall Street slavery practises that would keep a poor single-mom receptionist at poverty level while they spend all her tax money on wars. I too am sick of hearing the painful cries when someone gets a facefull of pepper spray every time a cop gets near them. So, occupy Wall Street. Shut down business (that Receptionist wasn't going to have her job much longer anyway). Wall Street (and the U.S. Government) is pushing for one of the largest economic depressions in our history by their greed and complete lack of conscience and civic responsibility. It is an intentional assault against the people. We cannot stand for that, we must stand-up to that. Get the message out and see how many "hits" you can get.

Originally posted by MasterGemini

Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by MasterGemini
Cinead

There are plenty of stats on it, google... I am not against unemployment, I am against continuing to extend if for people not willing to accept jobs they find beneath them, big difference.

What jobs?

You are totally full of it . . .

edit on 5-10-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)

Go to Monster.com

Pick your city.

Put in the key word "administrative"

Jobs... LOTS AND LOTS of them.

Who is getting administrative jobs straight out of college with no "experience"?

Why do you think there are LOTS AND LOTS of them . . .

Are you serious?

edit on 5-10-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)

are you serious with these questions ??
administrative duties are generally filled with "students" looking for experience ... clerical filing, reception, answering phones, data entry, telemarketing, desk jockey duties mostly ... all kinds of administrative work is available. some prefer experience but seldom demand it.
true, experience does get your foot in the door faster but then again ... students can OMG "volunteer" to gain said experience. go to your local Salvation Army, Humane Society, Library ... offer your skills then prove yourself. it's not that hard.

if you are of the opinion that 'experience' is the missing factor, go get some, just don't expect a major paycheck until you have some.

ya know, back in the recession of the 70s, we used to gather at the car wash and offer help to ppl for a few bucks ... windows, vacuuming, hand dry ... whatever helped. sure, it wasn't easy, it was hot and dirty but we always generated some funds.

grab a squeegee and offer to wash commercial windows/doors. there are all kinds of things one can do IF they want to and are willing. down here (FL) we'll offer to lump trucks for a few bucks (lump trucks = unload) ... no one says a 9-5 with benefits, company car and retirement plan are available to those fresh noobs with no experience ... but, it is their duty to gain the experience needed. initiative, creativity and a desire really do go a loooooong way toward achieving goals.

Originally posted by Honor93

Originally posted by MasterGemini

Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by MasterGemini
Cinead

There are plenty of stats on it, google... I am not against unemployment, I am against continuing to extend if for people not willing to accept jobs they find beneath them, big difference.

What jobs?

You are totally full of it . . .

edit on 5-10-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)

Go to Monster.com

Pick your city.

Put in the key word "administrative"

Jobs... LOTS AND LOTS of them.

Who is getting administrative jobs straight out of college with no "experience"?

Why do you think there are LOTS AND LOTS of them . . .

Are you serious?

edit on 5-10-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)

are you serious with these questions ??
administrative duties are generally filled with "students" looking for experience ... clerical filing, reception, answering phones, data entry, telemarketing, desk jockey duties mostly ... all kinds of administrative work is available. some prefer experience but seldom demand it.
true, experience does get your foot in the door faster but then again ... students can OMG "volunteer" to gain said experience. go to your local Salvation Army, Humane Society, Library ... offer your skills then prove yourself. it's not that hard.

if you are of the opinion that 'experience' is the missing factor, go get some, just don't expect a major paycheck until you have some.

ya know, back in the recession of the 70s, we used to gather at the car wash and offer help to ppl for a few bucks ... windows, vacuuming, hand dry ... whatever helped. sure, it wasn't easy, it was hot and dirty but we always generated some funds.

grab a squeegee and offer to wash commercial windows/doors. there are all kinds of things one can do IF they want to and are willing. down here (FL) we'll offer to lump trucks for a few bucks (lump trucks = unload) ... no one says a 9-5 with benefits, company car and retirement plan are available to those fresh noobs with no experience ... but, it is their duty to gain the experience needed. initiative, creativity and a desire really do go a loooooong way toward achieving goals.

Wow, I hope no one takes your advice.

LoL go squeegee at the red light like the homeless kids in Mexico.

You are so amazingly out of touch with reality it truly is amazing.

There are no jobs to be had . . .

And the experience factor is another where I don't think you got the message. I am saying that just working and getting paid for it no longer counts as working experience unless it was in the specific field you are applying for. So my coaching, notary, and supervising positions don't mean jack anymore.

So while I am out volunteering for no pay and cleaning windows on the street corner to pay off my student debt, how do I put a roof over my head or food in my mouth? Grow it?

You are so clueless

reply to post by Cinaed


How can they afford to just up and move?

How will they pay for housing, food, student debts?

How will they afford to travel out for a face to face interview with all these jobs you claim are out there?

Do you not see the limitations here? Or are you assuming parents and family, the government, or the corporation are going to pay for that? Where is all the capital required to accomplish all this coming from?

All I hear is the same bull# line about trying harder and too lazy to put in real work.

reply to post by MasterGemini

Its not like you can just up and go out there with NO capital and student debt to pay.

now that's a pretty lame statement considering you have skills you deem worthy.

student debt is deferred daily ... some even consolidated and not due for several years.
(i used to work for one of the consolidation companies so don't say that doesn't happen)

if your 2 legs work, you can walk anywhere and start over, you just don't want to. i know plenty of ppl who travel by bus (thanks to the generosity of their local church), many have walked ... my roomie walked for 3 days til he could get a bus ticket the rest of the way here. some, ride-along with long distance travelers ... if there is a will, one usually finds a way.

If you cannot find an opportunity, make one. MANY have done it before you successfully, why shouldn't you at least try?

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by MasterGemini

 

Its not like you can just up and go out there with NO capital and student debt to pay.

now that's a pretty lame statement considering you have skills you deem worthy.

student debt is deferred daily ... some even consolidated and not due for several years.
(i used to work for one of the consolidation companies so don't say that doesn't happen)

if your 2 legs work, you can walk anywhere and start over, you just don't want to. i know plenty of ppl who travel by bus (thanks to the generosity of their local church), many have walked ... my roomie walked for 3 days til he could get a bus ticket the rest of the way here. some, ride-along with long distance travelers ... if there is a will, one usually finds a way.

If you cannot find an opportunity, make one. MANY have done it before you successfully, why shouldn't you at least try?

Okay so I walk for 3 days and illegally hitchhike the rest of the way.

Where do I stay?
Where do I wash and get myself presentable for a job audition?

Student can only be deferred for a certain period of time and private student debt must be paid back once the debt is issued.

So now my options are becoming a transient to seek fortune in a foreign land while I wash windows for food money?

What a crock ' so all a college degree is good for is being homeless begging in the streets, or one step above?

Good advice there old timer. I think I will pass.

reply to post by MasterGemini

I think we understand, far EASIER to take the earnings of someone elses labors to get by.

Gotcha.

The answer is YES, sometimes one has to get down and dirty to get ahead. I know people that have lived in their car until they got a few paychecks.

A college degree doesn't entitle you to circumventing life or the real things that happen in life. The more you talk the more it sounds like you just want someone else to pay your bills while you life a *decent* lifestyle.

Listen to the stories of *the evil rich* many of them started out just like you, or worse yet they pushed ahead....and it PAID off

reply to post by MasterGemini

The go in groups and pool expenses, they stay at the Y or a hostel....all the SAME things everyone else did at their age when the times got hard.

Why should this generation be the exception?

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by MasterGemini

 

I think we understand, far EASIER to take the earnings of someone elses labors to get by.

Gotcha.

The answer is YES, sometimes one has to get down and dirty to get ahead. I know people that have lived in their car until they got a few paychecks.

A college degree doesn't entitle you to circumventing life or the real things that happen in life. The more you talk the more it sounds like you just want someone else to pay your bills while you life a *decent* lifestyle.

Listen to the stories of *the evil rich* many of them started out just like you, or worse yet they pushed ahead....and it PAID off

No, you and others on this board are saying that only lazy unskilled workers are unemployed and when I challenged you and others on the facts you come up with some retarded crap about walking for days to another town and washing windows on the corner for money.

You are full of S and you know it.

When your best idea is: well go be homeless because where there is a will there is a way you know that someone is blowing a load out their ass.

PS

There you go assuming again. Not everyone owns a vehicle to sleep in either.

You really need to step outside your own little fantasy world and return to reality.


And don't respond with some political question like you did earlier because it has nothing to do with employment facts or figures. I can tell by your use of the rhetoric known as *evil rich people* that you think I am some communist when actually I am anything but.

You don't do any actual work for a living so I wouldn't listen to you either way.