This Whole "Occupy Wallstreet" thing seems like theater of the absurd.

Originally posted by MasterGemini

Originally posted by Honor93

Originally posted by MasterGemini

Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by MasterGemini
Cinead

There are plenty of stats on it, google... I am not against unemployment, I am against continuing to extend if for people not willing to accept jobs they find beneath them, big difference.

What jobs?

You are totally full of it . . .

edit on 5-10-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)

Go to Monster.com

Pick your city.

Put in the key word "administrative"

Jobs... LOTS AND LOTS of them.

Who is getting administrative jobs straight out of college with no "experience"?

Why do you think there are LOTS AND LOTS of them . . .

Are you serious?

edit on 5-10-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)

are you serious with these questions ??
administrative duties are generally filled with "students" looking for experience ... clerical filing, reception, answering phones, data entry, telemarketing, desk jockey duties mostly ... all kinds of administrative work is available. some prefer experience but seldom demand it.
true, experience does get your foot in the door faster but then again ... students can OMG "volunteer" to gain said experience. go to your local Salvation Army, Humane Society, Library ... offer your skills then prove yourself. it's not that hard.

if you are of the opinion that 'experience' is the missing factor, go get some, just don't expect a major paycheck until you have some.

ya know, back in the recession of the 70s, we used to gather at the car wash and offer help to ppl for a few bucks ... windows, vacuuming, hand dry ... whatever helped. sure, it wasn't easy, it was hot and dirty but we always generated some funds.

grab a squeegee and offer to wash commercial windows/doors. there are all kinds of things one can do IF they want to and are willing. down here (FL) we'll offer to lump trucks for a few bucks (lump trucks = unload) ... no one says a 9-5 with benefits, company car and retirement plan are available to those fresh noobs with no experience ... but, it is their duty to gain the experience needed. initiative, creativity and a desire really do go a loooooong way toward achieving goals.

Wow, I hope no one takes your advice.

LoL go squeegee at the red light like the homeless kids in Mexico.

You are so amazingly out of touch with reality it truly is amazing.

There are no jobs to be had . . .

And the experience factor is another where I don't think you got the message. I am saying that just working and getting paid for it no longer counts as working experience unless it was in the specific field you are applying for. So my coaching, notary, and supervising positions don't mean jack anymore.

So while I am out volunteering for no pay and cleaning windows on the street corner to pay off my student debt, how do I put a roof over my head or food in my mouth? Grow it?

You are so clueless

edit on 5-10-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)

so, you think i'm outta touch but yet i work (not a 9-5) but it's work.
have 2 roomies and they both work ... one just returned after 7mo ... i was just offered a position while "chatting" at a convenience store ... so, i say BS ... you aren't trying.

for someone my age, experience isn't really an issue ... but that is for you to figure out, not the rest of us.
if there are "no jobs to be had" ... create one.
i will never be out of work ... i sew, i cook, i clean and i have experience in several employment fields as well ... medical, admin, construction, coaching, sales, bartending ... gaining experience is your job, not ours.

perhaps you should try to work your way "into" the field of your choice instead of demanding the field cater to your needs?

grow it ?? why not?? many do / self included.
as has been said many times, IF there is a will, there is always a way ... tis up to you to find it.
you know what i find ridiculous ???

LoL go squeegee at the red light like the homeless kids in Mexico.

apparently they have more motivation in their little pinkies that you can muster with all your might

i might be "clueless" but you are plain lazy ... and we don't OWE you a damn thing.
not food, not shelter, not water and not the time of day. you want it, earn it.

reply to post by Honor93


Thank you for proving just how out of touch and clueless you really are.

Originally posted by MasterGemini

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by MasterGemini

 

Its not like you can just up and go out there with NO capital and student debt to pay.

now that's a pretty lame statement considering you have skills you deem worthy.

student debt is deferred daily ... some even consolidated and not due for several years.
(i used to work for one of the consolidation companies so don't say that doesn't happen)

if your 2 legs work, you can walk anywhere and start over, you just don't want to. i know plenty of ppl who travel by bus (thanks to the generosity of their local church), many have walked ... my roomie walked for 3 days til he could get a bus ticket the rest of the way here. some, ride-along with long distance travelers ... if there is a will, one usually finds a way.

If you cannot find an opportunity, make one. MANY have done it before you successfully, why shouldn't you at least try?

Okay so I walk for 3 days and illegally hitchhike the rest of the way.

Where do I stay?
Where do I wash and get myself presentable for a job audition?

Student can only be deferred for a certain period of time and private student debt must be paid back once the debt is issued.

So now my options are becoming a transient to seek fortune in a foreign land while I wash windows for food money?

What a crock ' so all a college degree is good for is being homeless begging in the streets, or one step above?

Good advice there old timer. I think I will pass.

if you won't even converse, how can you expect anyone to hire you?
riding along on long distance travel is not "hitchhiking" or do you need a definition for that too?
the roomie who walked for 3 days ended up with a greyhound ticket via the generosity of others.

if you have to stay at a Salvation Army or a friends' place, what's stopping you?
fear of the unknown i would guess ... or perhaps you only use the internet to agitate ... some of us make friends in other parts of the country and world ... you might give it a try.

back in the really hard times (70s) there were occasions we "washed" in a public bathroom ... sometimes a gas station, sometimes a restaurant, sometimes a truck stop or a rest area along the highway ... again, it goes right back to "if you have a will, you'll find a way".

as for 'student debt' ... anyone holding a gun to your head when you signed the contract?
if not, i would guess you should have been working while you were in school, huh?

don't know what you perceive your options are but for you to infer you have none is a cop out.
generations before you have had to swallow their pride to get ahead.
what's the matter is your pride getting in your way?

a degree doesn't guarantee you anything, why would you think it should?
we all, 99%ers anyway, started at the bottom and some more than once ... what makes you different?

as usual ... the youngins hear reasonable advice and then decide such a suggestion is beneath them ... well, don't be surprised when the economy passes you by and you're still hanging on to your pride and degree with minimal or no openings in your chosen field.
so, since you decide to pass on jobs available (cause you think they are beneath you), then, why should anyone help you?

reply to post by Cinaed

kudos to you and thanks for reminding me ...

I know people that have lived in their car until they got a few paychecks.

i lived in my Beretta with 2 cats for nearly a month until i could get back on my feet ... it can be done, you just don't wahna wah, wah, wah ... whine, whine, whine.

sorry, but you get no pity from me ... been there, done that and i don't have a degree.

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Cinaed

 

kudos to you and thanks for reminding me ...

I know people that have lived in their car until they got a few paychecks.

i lived in my Beretta with 2 cats for nearly a month until i could get back on my feet ... it can be done, you just don't wahna wah, wah, wah ... whine, whine, whine.

sorry, but you get no pity from me ... been there, done that and i don't have a degree.

How do I sleep in a car I don't own?

I am not crying about pity or any crap like that.

I am calling you on your bull# about only lazy people not having a job.

Your massive intellect can only come up with washing windows . . .

Originally posted by MasterGemini

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by MasterGemini

 

I think we understand, far EASIER to take the earnings of someone elses labors to get by.

Gotcha.

The answer is YES, sometimes one has to get down and dirty to get ahead. I know people that have lived in their car until they got a few paychecks.

A college degree doesn't entitle you to circumventing life or the real things that happen in life. The more you talk the more it sounds like you just want someone else to pay your bills while you life a *decent* lifestyle.

Listen to the stories of *the evil rich* many of them started out just like you, or worse yet they pushed ahead....and it PAID off

No, you and others on this board are saying that only lazy unskilled workers are unemployed and when I challenged you and others on the facts you come up with some retarded crap about walking for days to another town and washing windows on the corner for money.

You are full of S and you know it.

When your best idea is: well go be homeless because where there is a will there is a way you know that someone is blowing a load out their ass.

PS

There you go assuming again. Not everyone owns a vehicle to sleep in either.

You really need to step outside your own little fantasy world and return to reality.

edit on 5-10-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)

And don't respond with some political question like you did earlier because it has nothing to do with employment facts or figures. I can tell by your use of the rhetoric known as *evil rich people* that you think I am some communist when actually I am anything but.

You don't do any actual work for a living so I wouldn't listen to you either way.

edit on 5-10-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)

no, i said YOU are lazy ... not anyone else ... that's wasn't a blanket statement.
we told you what WE did to get ahead ... you want to think such acts are beneath you, go ahead but we only shared what we did so don't blame us cause you won't.

i'm full of a lot of things but i expelled that S this morning ... and i will again tomorrow ... doesn't change the circumstances we all find ourselves in ... personally, after this chat, it would seem you are full of it a whole bunch more than any toilet could hold.

surprise, i earned that vehicle, where's yours?
some of us made decisions that allowed us to have such security (if you can call it that) ... guess you are now suffering the consequences of YOUR decisions ... which is not anyone elses' problem no matter how much you'd like to make it that way.

since Cinaed said it so succinctly, it deserves repeating ...

I think we understand, far EASIER to take the earnings of someone elses labors to get by.

good luck with that

and, if you are already homeless, what is the problem?
you certainly seem to be able to access the internet easy enough.

reply to post by MasterGemini

And don't respond with some political question like you did earlier because it has nothing to do with employment facts or figures. I can tell by your use of the rhetoric known as *evil rich people* that you think I am some communist when actually I am anything but.

You don't do any actual work for a living so I wouldn't listen to you either way.

so, you have a learning disability or just don't do comprehension?
Cinaed said more than once that she works, i know i did, so what IS your problem besides your own greed, pride and sloth?
(notice, neither of us suggested you were a communist but you sure exemplify their principles)

and since you think we don't do actual work ... what do you think we do?

reply to post by Honor93


These protesters are kicking ASS!!! everybody is talking about them... Now Bank America is saying its a victim.. So funny poor Bac!!! Man this is just a start of something so big Yes,, Everybody is so excited we might get justice after all. all because of these great people are exercising there God given rights,,

Originally posted by MasterGemini

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Cinaed

 

kudos to you and thanks for reminding me ...

I know people that have lived in their car until they got a few paychecks.

i lived in my Beretta with 2 cats for nearly a month until i could get back on my feet ... it can be done, you just don't wahna wah, wah, wah ... whine, whine, whine.

sorry, but you get no pity from me ... been there, done that and i don't have a degree.

How do I sleep in a car I don't own?

I am not crying about pity or any crap like that.

I am calling you on your bull# about only lazy people not having a job.

Your massive intellect can only come up with washing windows . . .

edit on 5-10-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)

how is anyone's fault but your own that you don't own a car?
when i lived in my car, i didn't drive it cause i couldn't afford gas ... i rode my bicycle with felines in a sack on my back ... again, it can be done.

you are crying and whining and choosing to bypass any opportunity available, again, not our problem.

i never said such a thing, i said YOU are lazy ... clearly by your postings, nothing else.
my massive intellect is what keeps me employed ... your options are not my concern ... and guess what ??? my intellect is mine ... i earned it.

You make a lot BS assumptions and then blame people for not knowing what you know now that you are old.

Don't respond, I could not care less about what you have to say.

Originally posted by rancher1
reply to post by Honor93

 

These protesters are kicking ASS!!! everybody is talking about them... Now Bank America is saying its a victim.. So funny poor Bac!!! Man this is just a start of something so big Yes,, Everybody is so excited we might get justice after all. all because of these great people are exercising there God given rights,,

more power to them ... hope they stay safe especially now that the unions are involved ... i've seen that action before and i don't hold the same hope of success that you do.
i fear for everyone in their path.

Originally posted by MasterGemini
You make a lot BS assumptions and then blame people for not knowing what you know now that you are old.

Don't respond, I could not care less about what you have to say.

edit on 5-10-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)

don't respond ??? who are you, the gestapo?
that's ok, i've wasted plenty of time with you anyway ... we all make bad choices and i'm owning up to mine ... you should do the same.

i make no assumptions other than you are a lazy, worthless waste of my precious time.
toodalu

reply to post by Honor93


Show me where I said everyone unemployed is lazy????

One summer my son, who is now 32 went to a cannery town with 6 of his buddies. He had a van, one guy had a gas card, another had parents that gave them $300 for food. They worked the *slime line* all summer and 6 of them lived in te van. By summers end 3 of them went back to college and the other 3 came bac to town with money to last til spring....

Slimy work, but it worked FOR them

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by Honor93

 

Show me where I said everyone unemployed is lazy????

One summer my son, who is now 32 went to a cannery town with 6 of his buddies. He had a van, one guy had a gas card, another had parents that gave them $300 for food. They worked the *slime line* all summer and 6 of them lived in te van. By summers end 3 of them went back to college and the other 3 came bac to town with money to last til spring....

Slimy work, but it worked FOR them

Doing stuff like that nowadays can land you in jail. It is illegal in many places to be homeless. You can be jailed for vagrancy and other such petty offenses. In some areas it is illegal to sleep in your vehicle, and they will tow and confiscate the vehicle. Good luck getting a job after you have a criminal record.

CPS will take your children if they find you sleeping in your vehicle with them. Good luck getting a job after you're listed on the child abuse registry for child neglect for not providing a middle class type home for them. CPS will also take your children many times if you're in a shelter. Battered women, for example, have their children taken from them sometimes when they enter battered women's shelters because CPS does not consider the shelter a suitable environment for the children, especially babies. Then they order the parent(s) to pay child support they cannot afford and use that to help terminate parental rights later. Once you have your parental rights terminated, you are not allowed children in your custody ever again. CPS takes subsequent babies from the mother's arms in the hospital. They get large grants for each child they adopt out. So a parent falls on hard times and is punished for life, even when it wasn't the parent's fault.

Many places have laws against your peddling your labor on the streets. Washing car windows, for example, can land you in trouble in many areas. If you're homeless and try to do odd jobs, many areas consider your very existance as a nuisance.

Just because things worked 30 years ago doesn't mean it'll work today. Many of the things people did for survival have been outlawed.

Originally posted by aufosg
reply to post by gncnew

 

The point of this protest is to bring to everybody's attention the fraud that the Government and bankers are perpetrating against their own citizens, and as you mentioned, to let the rich know we're not going to take it any more. So they had better Give It Back, start paying taxes like everyone else, and stop taking America's wealth out of America! The idea is to block traffic and bring business to a full standstill. This is an important blitz to get the attention of the media, who have up until now, turned a blind eye. They're supposed to inform the public of the widespread theft of their tax money, their savings, their education money, their investments, their homes ... and lives. We the people are protesting the inequitable control and dominance of the world's economy by a handful of bankers who have the President of the United States in on the scam. The people are protesting the out-sourcing of their jobs, they are protesting unfair tax practises, and they are protesting Wall Street slavery practises that would keep a poor single-mom receptionist at poverty level while they spend all her tax money on wars. I too am sick of hearing the painful cries when someone gets a facefull of pepper spray every time a cop gets near them. So, occupy Wall Street. Shut down business (that Receptionist wasn't going to have her job much longer anyway). Wall Street (and the U.S. Government) is pushing for one of the largest economic depressions in our history by their greed and complete lack of conscience and civic responsibility. It is an intentional assault against the people. We cannot stand for that, we must stand-up to that. Get the message out and see how many "hits" you can get.

If you are protesting the rich for being rich, you are not likely to get anywhere meaningful.

But if you are protesting the attempts of the rich to stay rich unjustly by ignoring exactly those rules they claim are the heart of the system that made them justly rich, you will get somewhere meaningful.

If your motivation is justice, the solution will be a lasting one. If your motivation is your own greed and envy of the rich, you may still "succeed", but you can't be sure exactly which side you will end up on, the winning or the losing.

reply to post by Jessicamsa

You post is all over the map and not at all what I was talking about. Where did I suggest people with small children should live in their cars? Being homeless with children and looking for work in another area are VASTLY different things. If one is in such a bad situation with children maybe they should take them to the EX or grandparents to care for while they get on their feet. Such are the sacrifices we make for our children. Nowhere did I say or imply this is what I thought people should do. You took it to an extreme place.

Back to getting a job though. Did I say a person should break the law to do anything? NO, I said a person COULD sleep in a car and I know there are camp grounds and freeway pull offs where it's perfectly legal. I also know from EXPERIENCE if you are in a strange town you can ask ANY COP where you can sleep in your car without getting hassled or violating city ordinances. Seriously the fact other adults are having to explain this kind of willingness on such a rudimentary level only makes us shake our heads more vigerously!

My son being only 32 as we speak certainly wasn't working in a cannery 30 yrs ago. This is something many college students that DO have motivation do to work through school. They take off the moment school lets out and right to Alaska they come and work a slimy NASTY job ALL SUMMER... lots of them pack up in tents at the local camp ground and split the $12 a day it costs for a camp site. They are grateful for the money they make, which is mostly OT....it adds up fast and makes the nasty work tolerable...well at least for those with goals and the grit to work toward them even when it's nasty or UNfun, and YES!!! even undignified.

Where there is a will there IS a way. Currently I have a friend out of work and she is doing day labor from Craigs List and averaging about $15 an hr and working 5 days a week when she wants to. It's all in what you are WILLING to do to make ends meet.

The past 4 yrs I was living in a nice house that was one of the perks in a VERY secure job. The stress of the job was ruining my health so I quit. I moved in with a roommate and reduced my overhead drastically to make ends meet while I found my next *good job* even after being in the hospital for 8 days I managed another job in 2 months, a better job two months later and a GOOD job 7 months from the day I initially quit. I WAS debt free and owed no one a dime, now I have a 38K hospital... I could whine and snivel or stomp my foot and scream NO FAIR!!! what would that change though?

As for breaking the law by sleeping in your car and getting a criminal record that affects your ability to get a job....I am confused. How is it THAT is just a dumb thing, unacceptable in this *modern* age-- yet getting arrested for being dumb enough to let cops lure you onto a bridge, embolden the crowd so they break the law...and get arrested for a similar crime, is taking one for the cause??? So which is it?? How can petty crimes for public sleeping or disorderly conduct be BOTH asinine and stupid AND necessary for change? How is one a deterrent to future work and the other not? I am all ears if you'd like to explain it to me

LOL your excuses are WEAK and that is what you are slinging...there is a huge difference between an excuse and a REASON.

The reason lots of people are out of work is due to a crap economy. The stuff I'm reading in these posts are the EXCUSES the numbers are higher than they need to be.

As to traveling to other areas to get a job. There are camp grounds, YMCA/YWCA, shelters, hostels, churches that will give you vouchers if you show you have a job and need a place to stay...anyone without children not willing to choose a single one of those options or pool resources and expenses with friends to get by, lose any respect or sympathy I would have for them being LONG TERM unemployed.

EVERY generation before you has done theses things, what makes this one so much more worthy and/or special and entitled?

Originally posted by Jessicamsa
Many places have laws against your peddling your labor on the streets. Washing car windows, for example, can land you in trouble in many areas. If you're homeless and try to do odd jobs, many areas consider your very existance as a nuisance.

Just because things worked 30 years ago doesn't mean it'll work today. Many of the things people did for survival have been outlawed.

That reminds me of a news item I saw on ABC7 in 2003 when I was in California.

A bunch of youngsters in the San Francisco Bay Area (don't remember the city) got hold of some cycle rickshaws (the news reader didn't say where from) and were using them as means of exercise while giving free rides to those interested. The news reader ended the item with "concerns" expressed by some people regarding who will be accountable in the event of an accident, the cart getting overturned and the passengers getting hurt.

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by Honor93

 

Show me where I said everyone unemployed is lazy????

One summer my son, who is now 32 went to a cannery town with 6 of his buddies. He had a van, one guy had a gas card, another had parents that gave them $300 for food. They worked the *slime line* all summer and 6 of them lived in te van. By summers end 3 of them went back to college and the other 3 came bac to town with money to last til spring....

Slimy work, but it worked FOR them

Cinaed,
please check the link to the original post ... i was not responding to you but that other guy (you know, the lazy one - MisterGemini or something like that)

i did re-quote your best sentence (and in that post i think) but i certainly wasn't referring to you.
we (at least this evening) are the "old farts" who are suggesting work that MG believes is beneath him.

i would not be so crass as to insinuate or state that you were lazy ... how did that get confused?

reply to post by Honor93


LMAO, sorry I was on my phone at the time and my old fart eyes don't see that tiny font so well anymore. Me and my walker were just bumbling through

Originally posted by Jessicamsa

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by Honor93

 

Show me where I said everyone unemployed is lazy????

One summer my son, who is now 32 went to a cannery town with 6 of his buddies. He had a van, one guy had a gas card, another had parents that gave them $300 for food. They worked the *slime line* all summer and 6 of them lived in te van. By summers end 3 of them went back to college and the other 3 came bac to town with money to last til spring....

Slimy work, but it worked FOR them

Doing stuff like that nowadays can land you in jail. It is illegal in many places to be homeless. You can be jailed for vagrancy and other such petty offenses. In some areas it is illegal to sleep in your vehicle, and they will tow and confiscate the vehicle. Good luck getting a job after you have a criminal record.

CPS will take your children if they find you sleeping in your vehicle with them. Good luck getting a job after you're listed on the child abuse registry for child neglect for not providing a middle class type home for them. CPS will also take your children many times if you're in a shelter. Battered women, for example, have their children taken from them sometimes when they enter battered women's shelters because CPS does not consider the shelter a suitable environment for the children, especially babies. Then they order the parent(s) to pay child support they cannot afford and use that to help terminate parental rights later. Once you have your parental rights terminated, you are not allowed children in your custody ever again. CPS takes subsequent babies from the mother's arms in the hospital. They get large grants for each child they adopt out. So a parent falls on hard times and is punished for life, even when it wasn't the parent's fault.

Many places have laws against your peddling your labor on the streets. Washing car windows, for example, can land you in trouble in many areas. If you're homeless and try to do odd jobs, many areas consider your very existance as a nuisance.

Just because things worked 30 years ago doesn't mean it'll work today. Many of the things people did for survival have been outlawed.

i think you are mistaken.
in the US, there is nothing illegal about spending a summer traveling with friends in a van or working while they do so ... got a link for this supposed illegal activity?

ummm, that would depend on the record and the activity that got you arrested.
misdemeanors are seldom held against anyone. (at least in terms of getting a job unless it was for theft) no need to add more unnecessary fears to the mix.

CPS doesn't even show up for scheduled appointments let alone roam the streets looking for families sleeping in less than desirable conditions. they are barely focused on the cases they have. they are not out searching for new ones

don't know where you are but i've volunteered in several shelters and NEVER have children been removed simply because of the current and usually temporary situation ... fearmonger much?

Battered women, for example, have their children taken from them sometimes when they enter battered women's shelters because CPS does not consider the shelter a suitable environment for the children, especially babies.

that is the biggest bunch of BS i've heard yet.
children are frequently removed from dangerous situations ... not rescue shelters.

i think you are exaggerating unnecessarily. times are hard enough but street peddlers are everywhere (at least in this part of the country) actually, many of the things that have been done over the past 100yrs are now classified illegal but you know what? ... there are ways around every law, perhaps they should focus on what their rights are rather what they are not.