This Whole "Occupy Wallstreet" thing seems like theater of the absurd.

Originally posted by femalepharoe
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

These people can't understand that this is not about republican democrat socialist communist etc. The NWO does not care!
It was almost sad to see Hank Williams Jr's world crumbling on ESPN bc his mind just could not understand that the parties are not only golfing , but one in the same.
No one is taking some economic reform from protestors. The protestors want our elected officials to do their job.
Catch up or.be left behind

edit on 4-10-2011 by femalepharoe because: (no reason given)

Then why are they at Wall Street and not at Wash DC? These people think they can bring down the stock market through their protests, and George Soros will be happy to help. I've heard enough anti-capitalist rhetoric from many of people on the street and in this forum and all the ranting about democracy, "this is what democracy looks like", well it's clear someone's been teaching them we need a democracy instead of the Republic our Founding Fathers set up with the Constitution. And who might have been the ones to teach them this stuff? Marxist professors, the Democrat Socialists of America who double as Congress, MoveOn.org, Huffpo, Media Matters, the Soros machine. I am way more educated on this than you might imagine.

Originally posted by Weathermen

Originally posted by RandomThought
You guys obviously don't know what occupy wallstreet is all about. You think its all children then you are just plain and simple being ignorant. I'm not going to sit here and explain what its all about, its all over the web and easy to obtain information.

You think people are doing this because they don't want to work? are you kidding me?

The op (and the following poster) of this thread are definitely ignorant and like-minded people. They don't understand that everyone has their grievances, and only those with the balls to let their government know what their grievances are there on Wall Street, Washington, DC, ATL, SL, Chicago, ect (contrary to the ignorant op who inferred it's only happening in Wall Street).

But if those fools like living in an Orwellian society, let them live in their bubble.

edit on 4-10-2011 by Weathermen because: (no reason given)

So, you are a follower of Bill Ayers? Or your local weather station?

Originally posted by Observor

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Yes there is.

No there is nothing in that video that directly points to a diabolical plan. He is not talking of depopulation, but arresting population growth.

But there is definitely a diabolical agenda. He is not referring to using the vaccines to kill of existing people, that would never work. At the first suspicion that the vaccines are leading to large scale deaths amongst the reciepients, no amount of propaganda can make people take the vaccines. However I strongly suspect the agenda is to make people infertile through those vaccinations. Most of Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation's vaccines are targeted at girls around the age of puberty. Increasing infertility among women automatically reduces the birth rate and hence growth rate. It is quite possible the infertility induced because of these vaccines is reversible after some kind of treatment, but an option that won't be available to the poor. Effectively, only

Ummmm yah, depopulation through sterilization, yes, that is exactly correct. John Holdren wants to do it with mass medication of the water, and without our consent or even knowledge. Is this the kind of thing you support? If so then I question your outlook on life.

I don't understand why these people are demanding a financial tax while protesting having to pay their student loans. Something isn't right here and it's the thinking process. I believe the students must have been brainwashed into this philosophy, since we already know that values clarification and the Progressive agenda in schools has brainwashed a whole generation.

This article tells us why these movements, these sitins are so very important:

They have created a unique opportunity to shift the tides of history in the tradition of other great peaceful occupations from the sit-down strikes of the 1930s to the lunch-counter sit-ins of the 1960s to the democratic uprisings across the Arab world and Europe today.

The time is right, the zeitgeist knows it, the people are responding. Again.

Our system is broken at every level. More than 25 million Americans are unemployed. More than 50 million live without health insurance. And perhaps 100 million Americans are mired in poverty, using realistic measures. Yet the fat cats continue to get tax breaks and reap billions while politicians compete to turn the austerity screws on all of us.

There are your reasons, and the poeple standing up (and sitting down) for change in the US are heros in my book.

And for what outcome? Perhaps this:

At some point the number of people occupying Wall Street - whether that’s five thousand, ten thousand or fifty thousand - will force the powers that be to offer concessions. No one can say how many people it will take or even how things will change exactly, but there is a real potential for bypassing a corrupt political process and to begin realising a society based on human needs not hedge fund profits.

There are big issues being rased, and lots of them. If this comes accross to you as no focus, then you are intentionally not understanding this. There are a miriad of reasons for these demos, now happening all over the US. And therefore many diferent types of people who are there fore difering reasons. But over all, if you really want to understand the protests and their potential for change, the article I am reading would be a very good place to start.

english.aljazeera.net...

Marching against "greed" so reminds me of voting for "change".

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Ummmm yah, depopulation through sterilization, yes, that is exactly correct. John Holdren wants to do it with mass medication of the water, and without our consent or even knowledge. Is this the kind of thing you support? If so then I question your outlook on life.

I don't supoort it or else I wouldn't have called it a diabolical agenda.

But I take issue with people who label it depopulation. It is control of population growth through trickery, not depopulation. Even that, the trickery part, is a suspicion on the part of some like you and me, nothing explicitly stated by Gates or anyone else.

Just to demonstrate why calling it depopulation is stupid, let me outline another scenario which is far fetched but not impossible. Let us say their agenda is to sterilise everyone without their consent or knowledge so that no one is any longer capable of having children in the process that is common today. Let us also say technology exists to create babies in a factory and they are produced in "necessary" numbers and raised like in the novel 'Brave New World' and they decide to increase the world population to 12 billion. It most certainly cannot be called "depopulation", but is such an agenda any less abhorent?

Why not address the exact thing that is repelling, a desire by some people to intervene in and manipulate the biological functioning of others without their informed consent or knowledge and to their detriment, about such an agenda (if that is indeed the case) than throwing labels, like depopulation, on them as if you are addressing a group of retards who cannot think and can only respond to some labels like Pavlov's dog?

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
reply to post by gncnew

 

You remain clueless

yes you do if you think those 'suggestions' are even a good place to start.
the missing thought process behind this whole ?movement? is astoundingly hilarious.

if what you post is "the plan" ... tis no wonder the support for such is waning rapidly.
do tell, how does any of that put food on the tables of those starving?
how does any of that eliminate the corporate individualism that got us here?
how does any of that encourage employment?
and lastly, how does any of that provide "shelter" to anyone but the thieves?
more taxes ????? are you really so misguided to believe that one?

Originally posted by xavi1000

I've been skeptical of the Occupy protests, but that is one of the best things I've heard in a long time.

In essense, that message is NO different than what most in the Tea Party have been saying...

Originally posted by VonDoomen
reply to post by Honor93

 

lol i love when the ediots make this so easy.
ya know theres a reason social justice, communism, and socialism are all seperate ideas and words. now everyone knows how ignorant YOU are. asking someone to simply define something, and challenging that i do not know the meaning of them, is absurd, considering we live in the information/digital age.

Social Justice- generally refers to the idea of creating an egalitarian society or institution that is based on the principles of equality and solidarity, that understands and values human rights, and that recognizes the dignity of every human being.

Socialism: A political and economic theory of that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

communism: A political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

You want to call me out, well its coming back at you. Even a mentally handicapped person knows how to look up definitions. So obviously you are to dumb to know how to google, and therefore your opinion on any of this is meaningless. go back to your coloring book!

yep, that's that 4th grade education mentioned previously showing its total lack of comprehension and understanding

still yet, you refuse to show or discuss the obvious correlation between the three.
still yet, you think (and i use that word looooosely in your case) your diversionary tactics are less than obvious

your "creative" explanation of social justice is just plain BS (hardly a definition) ... social justice isn't anything "general" or "generally" ...it IS what it IS .... regardless of what you'd like it to be.

and no ... that isn't what SJ is ... what you list is referred to as "RE-defining social justice" ... which is just another euphemism for the reality of what it actually is and does.
the "creation" or redefinition doesn't change its original implications just because Wiki says so ... nice try though ... at least we all know you can Wiki, wooohoo

but, did you miss this part in your Wiki reference?

Social justice as a secular concept, distinct from religious teachings, emerged mainly in the late twentieth century, influenced primarily by philosopher John Rawls.

which also infers that this "form" of manipulation isn't even a historical philosophy ... but you keep believing it is.

social justice is a construct not a philosophy.
it was created by a politician (political philosopher) ... and here i thought this protest was against the politics and politicians of the day?

see ??? even you don't understand what you preach.

and, one would have to surmise that based on this re-defined philosophy, application is virtually impossible

your Wiki
All societies have a basic structure of social, economic, and political institutions, both formal and informal.

In testing how well these elements fit and work together, Rawls based a key test of legitimacy on the theories of social contract. To determine whether any particular system of collectively enforced social arrangements is legitimate, he argued that one must look for agreement by the people who are subject to it, but not necessarily to an objective notion of justice based on coherent ideological grounding.

so, in layman terms ... for the 4th graders out there ... you'll conform or we'll force you to.
good luck with that.

if you think a mere conversation is "calling you out" ... then keep your nonsense to yourself ... works both ways ya know?

btw ... after all that, you still haven't connected the dots between the 3 as was asked of you ... but, that comes as no surprise as you fail to understand the concept.

You are just mimicking the mass around you which is common among the uneducated. easier to follow A leader rather be your own ... really, i do understand.

edit to add a bonus question ~~ since you think you understand SJ, please, tell the class WHO becomes the recipient of the "disadvantages" of said social construct ??
since you cannot distribute advantages only ... who becomes the disadvantaged?

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

I'm pretty sure he's talking about a birth control vaccine. There's nothing wrong with not having children. There are a lot of people born into poverty, ignorance, and violence. There are a lot of people using the planet's resources and polluting the planet. When the day comes that we are mature enough to handle socialistic humanistic utopia, it will still be a good idea to watch our numbers.

Originally posted by reallywow

Originally posted by xavi1000

I've been skeptical of the Occupy protests, but that is one of the best things I've heard in a long time.

In essense, that message is NO different than what most in the Tea Party have been saying...

Wow! Just wow! And the title of this thread is 'This Whole "Occupy Wallstreet" thing seems like theater of the absurd.'

When the main speaker slipped up towards the end, there immediately was another correcting him. Amazing!

There are a couple of interesting things though. These "communists" want to elect Ron Paul and were denouncing George Soros, the one apparently funding them. Someone should tell them that they are communists being funded by George Soros

Originally posted by gentledissident

Originally posted by Honor93
as for "necessities" being socialized, they already are ... what is the point here?
shelter is available under most trees in the land, water is free-flowing and can be obtained nearly everywhere, air ... well, that's still being debated but last i checked, the supply is still readily available.

Ah, you're one of those comedic pundits like on AM radio. I went to school with a guy like that. When I ran into him again, he asked me to play Colmes to his Hannity. Those who realize it's a joke, don't think it's funny. Those who don't, are your toys.

edit on 5-10-2011 by gentledissident because: (no reason given)

my, my aren't you just witty ... not so intelligent but witty for sure.
and no, i'm no pundit ... i'm a 99%'er ... but, i understand the consequences of the choices i've made ... do you?

Originally posted by conar
We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

source: director/actor Mark Ruffalo
www.tweetdeck.com...

Yes, let us all listen to the experts in Hollywood - the net of liberal hypocracy. That dude has more money than you could count and hires legions of layers and accountants to keep it off shore and hidden. He's as nefarious as any executive in corporate America... the difference is he only has to sell his product instead of run a business.

FYI - They outsource labor because it's cheaper - because liberal tax agendas have made it cheaper.

They outsource because you buys sh!t at Walmart on the cheap instead of American made goods that are more expensive.

They off shore because we have an unbalanced trade policy with China that lets imports come in on the cheap... we have this policy because China donates to Democrat political campaigns.

DONT BE A DOPE

Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
reply to post by Indigo5

 

Again, he would love it if it where a Tea Party protest marching on the FED.. Why? Because he cares for the people? No.. Because our president has a (D) next to his name.

I think a great deal of them would - but the focus of their rallies (not protests) is to change the Republican party. They want to change the party they support to better reflect their values.

This isn't anything like the tea party stuff... Apples and Oranges.

And besides - tea party rallies are self-declared partisan... are you implying that now OWS is also partisan?

Originally posted by Shamatt
This article tells us why these movements, these sitins are so very important:

They have created a unique opportunity to shift the tides of history in the tradition of other great peaceful occupations from the sit-down strikes of the 1930s to the lunch-counter sit-ins of the 1960s to the democratic uprisings across the Arab world and Europe today.

The time is right, the zeitgeist knows it, the people are responding. Again.

Our system is broken at every level. More than 25 million Americans are unemployed. More than 50 million live without health insurance. And perhaps 100 million Americans are mired in poverty, using realistic measures. Yet the fat cats continue to get tax breaks and reap billions while politicians compete to turn the austerity screws on all of us.

There are your reasons, and the poeple standing up (and sitting down) for change in the US are heros in my book.

And for what outcome? Perhaps this:

At some point the number of people occupying Wall Street - whether that’s five thousand, ten thousand or fifty thousand - will force the powers that be to offer concessions. No one can say how many people it will take or even how things will change exactly, but there is a real potential for bypassing a corrupt political process and to begin realising a society based on human needs not hedge fund profits.

There are big issues being rased, and lots of them. If this comes accross to you as no focus, then you are intentionally not understanding this. There are a miriad of reasons for these demos, now happening all over the US. And therefore many diferent types of people who are there fore difering reasons. But over all, if you really want to understand the protests and their potential for change, the article I am reading would be a very good place to start.

english.aljazeera.net...

Seriously? You're quoting the Arab media to tell me why this is legit? Gee, thanks...

And no, they will not force concessions. You can't force businesses to act upon ideology by protests. You can change government because they're elected officials - but businesses respond to the market, not morons in the park.

Originally posted by Observor

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Yes there is.

No there is nothing in that video that directly points to a diabolical plan. He is not talking of depopulation, but arresting population growth.

But there is definitely a diabolical agenda. He is not referring to using the vaccines to kill of existing people, that would never work. At the first suspicion that the vaccines are leading to large scale deaths amongst the reciepients, no amount of propaganda can make people take the vaccines. However I strongly suspect the agenda is to make people infertile through those vaccinations. Most of Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation's vaccines are targeted at girls around the age of puberty. Increasing infertility among women automatically reduces the birth rate and hence growth rate. It is quite possible the infertility induced because of these vaccines is reversible after some kind of treatment, but an option that won't be available to the poor. Effectively, only those who can afford treatment will have a right to bear children. Only the rich shall breed, not the poor.

arresting population growth ???
do you even understand that euphemism? how exactly did the Chinese accomplish this? do you even know?
when you do, get back to us with a new perspective, until then, tighten your sheet and snoooooze while the rest of the world suffers.
btw, how do vaccines ... arrest population growth?
how does forced medical intervention (which is completely against their oath mind you)... arrest population growth? ~~ in case you don't know ~~ a primary commitment is to DO NO HARM ... so, how does that fit in with the "arrest population growth" plan?

only the rich shall breed ??? geez i hope not, some of the greatest minds and greatest accomplishments of all time originated from a person born poor that made good decisions and changed their status in life.
why has that ^^^^ become too big a challenge for the most current generation?

reply to post by Shamatt

you would be mistaken ... we do understand the purposes of protest (just not this one) and many of us agree it is necessary (just not in this illogical, senseless meandering and unorganized way)

what you missed is that we desire a cohesive, concise, plan of action ... what this is ... is just more Tony Baloney only in a different and less obvious form.

btw ... your 'source' is one of the biggest propaganda machines in that region but you keep believing it ... don't make the effort to understand, yourself ... just blindly follow their lead ... right off the cliff of reality.

Originally posted by gentledissident
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

I'm pretty sure he's talking about a birth control vaccine. There's nothing wrong with not having children. There are a lot of people born into poverty, ignorance, and violence. There are a lot of people using the planet's resources and polluting the planet. When the day comes that we are mature enough to handle socialistic humanistic utopia, it will still be a good idea to watch our numbers.

actually a more correct and precise statement would be ... there are a lot of people HOARDING the planets' resources and polluting our Earth ... many of these people are corporate individuals ... so, are you now supporting the corporatocracy ???

"socialistic humanistic utopia"??? only on paper and in the movies my friend.
It is a pure fantasy of the mind that such will ever exist amongst humans ... nature and human nature eliminate the possibility and that's a fact.