This Whole "Occupy Wallstreet" thing seems like theater of the absurd.

reply to post by MasterGemini
I just got a good job and there were 10 new hires in my orientation class....the reason they hire so many is due to very few actually can do the job and stay with it once they see the work involved. The agency I am working for hires 5-15 people every month, not because they are growing... because people lack the ability to do the job, or they quit.

It's a good job, benefits, company car, decent insurance...I'm grateful, I am no spring chicken & I have zero degrees... what I do have is an impeccable resume and the willingness to do many things I didn't want to do to achieve it

I am not full of it! If I can find a GOOD job in this economy many people could find a crap job and work up to it just like I did.

Originally posted by Jessicamsa

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by marg6043

 

and this is where you folks lose the educated masses ...

While the economy goes down the crapper Wall street flourish, just take a minute and think what that means.

in one breath you claim it is all inter-connected (true - both WS & the economy) and then in the next (not even 2 pgs apart) you infer they are separate entities ... this is Why you don't understand.

quit telling ppl to educate themselves when clearly it is you who is lacking.
BE the change you wish to see ... get your hands dirty ... help a neighbor ... quit whining and do something other than pretend to be a catalyst of change you can't even define.
socialism is no answer.
whining certainly increases the cheeeez factor but accomplishes what exactly?

She is saying the fact that one fails while the other flourishes is evidence that the success of the wealthy does not mean that the poor will have more opportunity. Those who want the rich catered to while saying it'll help the rest of us are thus arguing a lie.

However, it is interconnected in that the wealthy are becoming more wealthy off the suffering of the poor.

That is the worst strawman argument of the bunch ... history proves otherwise.
need names?

Einstein, Galileo, Samuel Adams (Founding Father), Obama, every immigrant in college today, POTUS John Adams, John Hancock (Founding Father), POTUS Abe Lincoln, Ben Franklin and many, many more.

Einstein
Galileo
President John Adams
John Hancock
Abe Lincoln
Ben Franklin

honest, history is your friend, learn it, learn from it and then take steps to improve your lot in life.

do you know what is outstandingly different between those listed above and those wandering the streets in "protest" ????
Those mentioned above took initiative, made good decisions and didn't fall for the rhetoric of the day ... if they were told "you'll never make anything of yourself" ... they didn't cry about it and believe it, they set out to prove their detractors wrong.

i never said i wanted the rich catered to ... where do you get that idea or is it more rhetoric?
just because you think it doesn't make it so.

Originally posted by MasterGemini

No actually there is actual data on the matter and NO they probably can not find work.

2011 College Graduates Find Job Market Bleak (56% down from 90% employed)
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Us young folks are getting screwed the worst out of anyone.

If I can ask - what did you get your degree in? Before you choose your major did you assess the job market and the availability of jobs in your chosen field?

There are lots of flourishing markets - even in a depression/recession. See this is the rub - you may have to do a job you don't particularly like until the market you are interested in picks back up.

Or, maybe you could learn a trade.. .most mechanics and plumbers are doing great. The Roofing industry has skyrocketed thanks to the storm activity in the midwest.

my have to get your hands dirty though... and they don't have internet access on the roofs.

Originally posted by MasterGemini
Cinead

There are plenty of stats on it, google... I am not against unemployment, I am against continuing to extend if for people not willing to accept jobs they find beneath them, big difference.

What jobs?

You are totally full of it . . .

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Go to Monster.com

Pick your city.

Put in the key word "administrative"

Jobs... LOTS AND LOTS of them.

Originally posted by Jessicamsa

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by Jessicamsa

 

There are plenty of stats on it, google...

I am not against unemployment, I am against continuing to extend if for people not willing to accept jobs they find beneath them, big difference.

Stats as in someone's doing a research project on it?

Most of those I know trapped in a state of unemployment were never able to qualify for unemployment to begin with. Therefore I highly question the assertion that ending unemployment will magically land people into a job.

It helps because necessity is the mother of invention. If you ain't gots no money, you will find some work.

Originally posted by glitchinthematrix
Theater of the absurd. Right!?! On one hand it feels like a needed revolution, but on the other hand, something isn't quite right. I'm not sure exactly what it is about the whole situation that gives my gut that feeling. Perhaps it's the all over the place reason they're doing it. Some people are there under the popular idea that the whole purpose is to let Wall St know, we don't like their greed...that we won't stand for it. Then there are the ones who are against Capitalism which is a whole other animal.

Perhaps this why it doesn't feel right. When you attack Capitalism, you are attacking the very system that allows you rights as an individual. The problem is not Capitalism, the problem is greedy people taking advantage of a Capitalist system instead of this country being a true democracy.

The situation as a whole is something that I don't quite know how to take.

You're seeing through the smoke screen... careful - it only gets scarier from here.

Protesting in the streets against "Greed" is like yelling at the rain.... ain't gonna do a thing.

Now, if they were smart, they'd protest via their wallets... but that's hard to do when you're addicted to the products that they sell.

Originally posted by MasterGemini
Cinead

There are plenty of stats on it, google... I am not against unemployment, I am against continuing to extend if for people not willing to accept jobs they find beneath them, big difference.

What jobs?

You are totally full of it . . .

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i will also beg to differ your opinion, my roommate just got a job a few weeks ago after his pvs employment closed their doors just 7mo ago ... sure, it took a while but it certainly existed or he wouldn't be working today.

yes, there are a lot of areas that don't have many opportunities but you have the ability to look elsewhere. It is no ones' fault but your own if you don't seek them out.

you know what i find amazing ??
those who have jobs available keep indicating the labor force applying are NOT skilled enough ... so, what good is that *degree* if you can't provide the Skills necessary?

Originally posted by gentledissident

Originally posted by glitchinthematrixThe problem is not Capitalism, the problem is greedy people taking advantage of a Capitalist system instead of this country being a true democracy.

The problem is, capitalism allows it.

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But the alternative eliminates free choice and freedom of the individual...

Quite the paradox eh?

Originally posted by gentledissident

Originally posted by glitchinthematrix
When you attack Capitalism, you are attacking the very system that allows you rights as an individual.

I think you mean, "When you attack the Bill of Rights".

Originally posted by glitchinthematrixThe problem is not Capitalism, the problem is greedy people taking advantage of a Capitalist system instead of this country being a true democracy.

The problem is, capitalism allows it.

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now see, that's where your education shows its own failure.
The BoR (Bill of Rights) protects rights already possessed ... it does not grant rights of any kind.

Capitalism is also not what grants rights in the sense of the BoR but it DOES allow one to exercise those rights freely for their own gain and as they see fit. Socialism does no such thing.

Originally posted by gentledissident

Originally posted by Honor93

Originally posted by gentledissident
reply to post by Honor93

 

Ok, are you aware you're creating strawmen like FOX pundits? My point regarding maturity stands.

care to be "specific" or are you tossing anything out there hoping something sticks?
what point regarding maturity ??? never saw one of those and you certainly aren't exhibiting any so what is your point?

Strawman

Originally posted by Honor93
actually a more correct and precise statement would be ... there are a lot of people HOARDING the planets' resources and polluting our Earth ... many of these people are corporate individuals ... so, are you now supporting the corporatocracy ???

Maturity

Originally posted by gentledissident
When the day comes that we are mature enough to handle socialistic humanistic utopia, it will still be a good idea to watch our numbers.

I'd love to chat some more, but I have to go slave for the man. BBL

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are you kidding?
the "hoarding" of resources is well known ... matter of fact, your precious protesters are screaming it all over the place ... 1% holds 99% of the world's finances. 1% won't share with the 99%ers. 1% is responsible for all the ills of the world -- stealing resources from other countries, threats of rationing here or "austerity" there or don't you really understand what is going on here?

you espousing a fantasy = maturity ???
ok then, we're done here until you actually exercise some maturity.
have a nice day slaving for your masters ... far be it from you to use the opportunity to improve yourself ... nah, that might take an effort.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by schuyler
It is. One of my favorite blogs, Ace of Spades, has this to say:

The Left doing what the Left does best: Marching to protest [fill this space with, literally, anything].

What do we want? Free unicorns!

OK, I'll bite...how about I fill that space with something inane, like 'Obama's Certificate of Live Birth"...oh that's right..that is the right..Cuz them Teapartiers sure do love themselves a protest!! Just as long as it is directed at that african in office!

The left seems to be protesting equally silly things...like historic unemployment and the economic collapse of the Middle Class....oh wait a second...that is not so funny.

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TELL ME ABOUT IT...

Those damn Tea Partiers are the WORST racists EVER. Thank God the Illinois Tea Party had the 'stones' to vote that good All American White-Boy as the leader in their straw poll...

**sarcasm font off**

reply to post by reallywow

Interesting, many Tea Party supporters I know are finding Herman Cain their favorite running for the Rep nomination...

Not everyone supports Ron Paul.

Personally I think Cain offers some sound solutions....I never once considered the color of his skin to form my opinion

I don't consider I'm backing the black dude..... I'm listening for solutions....

.....shameless Tea Party supporter here....I support a balanced budget, fiscal responsibility and free markets...so stone me and call me names.... and then have a nice day, live long and prosper

There are high tech jobs that need to be filled. The problem I had after getting my IT degree was that everyone wanted 5 years experience, even the Help Desk, which is the so-called entry level for networking. In a recession, they will hire the ones who already have experience in the field.
So, then, when you go to get a job in the service industry....you encounter Union shop stewards who will dump you if you are not Union.
The Unions are actively recruiting even in corporations which were previously not catering to Unions. The irony is that even while the communists and socialists and labor unions are spouting anti-corporate slogans, they are recruiting right out of the corporations new hires.

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by reallywow

 

Interesting, many Tea Party supporters I know are finding Herman Cain their favorite running for the Rep nomination...

Not everyone supports Ron Paul.

Personally I think Cain offers some sound solutions....I never once considered the color of his skin to form my opinion

I don't consider I'm backing the black dude..... I'm listening for solutions....

.....shameless Tea Party supporter here....I support a balanced budget, fiscal responsibility and free markets...so stone me and call me names.... and then have a nice day, live long and prosper

Cain has some outside the box solutoins. I heard him on a Hannity interview one day and it really impressed me. He is an individual thinker and not in the hive mentality of certain other people....
It was a fantastic interview and Hannity should be praised for giving him the opportunity to be heard. I'm sick of hearing people dismiss Hannity. It's nothing but partisan politics when they do that.

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LOL well personally I cant stand Hannity as he is very snively sounding. He does choose good stories to cover but I don't care for his delivery

I first heard Herman Cain during the first debate and I was impressed. Later I noticed a few of my peers were liking him too... Solution based constitutional restoration is what we need in my book. I am not sure Cain is the one I like best as I think there might still be a dark horse in waiting in the wings.

I heard something said the other day when Christie announced he isn't going to run even with the encouragement to do so. I think whoever he endorses could have some instant traction... I am certainly waiting to see

I was just seeing today that Herman Cain is suddenly skyrocketed points and now tied with Romney for first place.... still lots of time, anything could happen.

What I want to see on the next debate is for the candidates to get asked about OWS and their individual responses!!!

Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by Jessicamsa

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by Jessicamsa

 

There are plenty of stats on it, google...

I am not against unemployment, I am against continuing to extend if for people not willing to accept jobs they find beneath them, big difference.

Stats as in someone's doing a research project on it?

Most of those I know trapped in a state of unemployment were never able to qualify for unemployment to begin with. Therefore I highly question the assertion that ending unemployment will magically land people into a job.

It helps because necessity is the mother of invention. If you ain't gots no money, you will find some work.

The issue here no one seems to be talking about is that when the private sector begins to collapse, the govt offers govt jobs to unemployed, thus growing the govt sector. This pushes the trend towards communism, or Statism.
This really is not so much about people being too lazy to get a job, but the private sector job market being collapsed.
Also, there has been a trend toward specializing jobs in the market, thus making it harder for people to find jobs that aren't specialized in some manner. Not everybody can configure routers, but just about anybody can take an order at a greasy spoon.

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I first heard Cain during the conservative convention some time ago. I started paying attention then. Later in the summer I heard him on Hannity. Hannity is really one of the more considerate talk show hosts, but they all will cut off someone who disagrees too much. It's the same with the lefties too, like Ed Schultz.

Lol don't get in the pathway of Levin... as he will shatter the dignity of anyone crossing him.

Originally posted by Weathermen

Originally posted by RandomThought
You guys obviously don't know what occupy wallstreet is all about. You think its all children then you are just plain and simple being ignorant. I'm not going to sit here and explain what its all about, its all over the web and easy to obtain information.

You think people are doing this because they don't want to work? are you kidding me?

The op (and the following poster) of this thread are definitely ignorant and like-minded people. They don't understand that everyone has their grievances, and only those with the balls to let their government know what their grievances are there on Wall Street, Washington, DC, ATL, SL, Chicago, ect (contrary to the ignorant op who inferred it's only happening in Wall Street).

But if those fools like living in an Orwellian society, let them live in their bubble.

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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
There are high tech jobs that need to be filled. The problem I had after getting my IT degree was that everyone wanted 5 years experience, even the Help Desk, which is the so-called entry level for networking. In a recession, they will hire the ones who already have experience in the field.
So, then, when you go to get a job in the service industry....you encounter Union shop stewards who will dump you if you are not Union.
The Unions are actively recruiting even in corporations which were previously not catering to Unions. The irony is that even while the communists and socialists and labor unions are spouting anti-corporate slogans, they are recruiting right out of the corporations new hires.

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That "5 years experience" thing is just to give them a reason to not hire you when you show up and are a moron. Trust me, you know what you're doing and they'll waive lots of "requirements".

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
I can't begin to tell you how many opportunities came to me while waiting tables, slinging drinks and flipping burgers! My first management job came to me at 19, I was managing a small crew of about 15, all of them older than me.... I had big wigs from good companies leave me their business card with my tip (due to my work ethic).... I have gotten calls out of the blue and offered work over the yrs from my stints in such dives....I was never too good to earn a buck, and I always try to do it looking presentable; with a smile (even when I cleaned toilets). I have used public assistance and I have drawn unemployment so I don't deny anyone those things. What I'm bitching about is the abuse and the working the system of these departments of government.

I was once married to a man that sat at home and whined there were no jobs, while I had TWO. The truth be known-- in some ways relish a bad economy for I have always seemed to fare well during the lull. I don't chalk it up to being special or gifted, just willing to w-o-r-k

When the economy really tanked here in the late 80's I helped people that were leaving state PACK...LOL I made pretty good money doing so too...

Lots of it boils down to attitude. I am not discounting those really trying... Some places are very hard hit. Were I living in such a place I would consider relocating to someplace there is work. Not everyone can do that either. My point is there is LOTS a person can do to get a job, I am not hearing people talk about it though...I just hear a *no jobs no jobs* mantra.

Young people don't get ahead in life or gain any experience for that resume when they will only accept a job worthy of their time. Government collapsing the private sector is a whole OTHER topic, but your point is spot on.

I think where many of the youth lose empathy with the older generations is when they sit home playing the bazillion video games or massive music collection, DVDs whatever and complain there aren't any jobs. They have a TV they don't need, tons of stuff they could sell and massive time they AREN"T even looking, often they show up looking like they are going to a Rave instead of work for interviews and then complain they can't get past the first interview etc etc, and then some when actually hired....they get fired or quit for refusing to actually well, work.