DNA evidence of ET? part 2

Originally posted by K J Gunderson
reply to post by AnthraAndromda

 

I am not going to go back and forth with you on this. Everyone reading this thread can easily see exactly what I and others have pointed out or questioned. Repeating the argument gets us nowhere so just move on, shall we. I have already made up my mind concerning those claims. At this point, I am really just along for the ride. I want to see how you are going to either back out of the test or "explain" it away.

p.s. There is a lengthy explanation from Mikey Horn defending the above photograph and explaining that Meier had asked Ptaah to help explain it and it goes on and on and on. I hope that clears that up. He is a fraud and attaching your story to him is worse than any of the other damage you have done.

[edit on 30-3-2010 by K J Gunderson]

You misunderstand. I'm NOT attaching my "story" to his. Only stating that I have seen his photos from the early 80's / late 70's. The photos I saw were not fakes, at least they didn't appear to be. And, Marcel seemed to think they were real. I stopped following that around 81 or so, so I don't know what happened after that ... don't care to either as it has no bearing on me or my case.

Etharzi od Oma.

Originally posted by KILL_DOGG
My DNA shows that I'm the son of Poseidon....

Damn, has that been used in a book too, crap give me a minute and I'll come up with something else.

I'm very sure that IF your DNA were tested, it would show that you are descended from a known haplogroup on both your Mother's and Father's side.

I hate to burst your bubble , i searched your markers on ysearch , it's fairly obvious you are r1b. All your matches, of which u have several are r1b.

So trust me , you're not alien.
QB588 Ejem Ceskoslovensko R1b* Family Tree DNA 14 1
GEB7W Ballantine Scotland R1b* Ancestry.com 14 1
FCEA5 Show Helfrich Mosbach, Germany, Germany R1b* DNA Heritage 14 2

These are your top 3 matches based on 14 markers i entered. You don't have an exact match is normal. The best match is just 1 marker off.

Originally posted by simranjits
I hate to burst your bubble , i searched your markers on ysearch , it's fairly obvious you are r1b. All your matches, of which u have several are r1b.

So trust me , you're not alien.
QB588 Ejem Ceskoslovensko R1b* Family Tree DNA 14 1
GEB7W Ballantine Scotland R1b* Ancestry.com 14 1
FCEA5 Show Helfrich Mosbach, Germany, Germany R1b* DNA Heritage 14 2

These are your top 3 matches based on 14 markers i entered. You don't have an exact match is normal. The best match is just 1 marker off.

14 markers! WOW! Did you try it with all 16? No? You won't find a match!

If we start removing markers we can make it match ANY haplogroup we choose. Doing this does not lead anywhere except to support the "blind" human need to be alone in the universe.

When you started deleting data, was it two random, or two specific data points?

I did not use an ancestry database for a reason, and that is because they have too much interest in matching people to a haplogroup ... thats how they make money. I used a bit more scientific, less interested, more independant database. By the way ... with all 16 markers the closest match is either Group "A" or "BF".

Sorry to come off sarcastic and all, but this necessarily must be a "whole truth" issue. If we leave out data, then we will miss something, and it may be importanat (to you anyway).

Etharzi od Oma.


[edit on 30-3-2010 by AnthraAndromda]

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
You misunderstand. I'm NOT attaching my "story" to his. Only stating that I have seen his photos from the early 80's / late 70's. The photos I saw were not fakes, at least they didn't appear to be. And, Marcel seemed to think they were real. I stopped following that around 81 or so, so I don't know what happened after that ... don't care to either as it has no bearing on me or my case.

Etharzi od Oma.

Aliens from your home-world really have no idea what a contradiction is do they? Every time one of yours is pointed out, you just pretend something else was said and then deny you ever made one.

Please read this next sentence carefully while considering this latest response.

You are claiming above that you saw some pics, thought they looked real, but then stopped paying attention, correct?

Please reconcile this for me then -

originally posted by AnthraAndromeda
Yes, I know about the Miers case, and the wonderful job of discredting him that was done.

Make up your mind. Do you know for a fact he was discredited or did you just stop paying attention after seeing some photos that looked good?

How about I remind you of a golden oldie just so you can be reminded that you have been contradicting yourself quite often.

you presumed that it was I that was withholding information, actually it is not. Your government and scoiety are responsible for the withholding of data.

But as Bluebelle pointed out you had already said-

While the data we present here is intentionally incomplete, you owe it to yourself and your fellow Man to evaluate it. It is only after careful evaluation and a good deal of thought that you can reach an informed decision on the realities of our statements.

Now you are changing your Billy Meier story. Please tell me why these things should not be seen as contradictions?

[edit on 30-3-2010 by K J Gunderson]

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Ya know ... it is possible to pickup on some details even if One is not paying much attention.

And, it seems likely that some humans read in the words of others only what they want to read.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

Ya know ... it is possible to pickup on some details even if One is not paying much attention.

And, it seems likely that some humans read in the words of others only what they want to read.

I edited my post to add some while you were typing, just in case you want to adjust this response.

I am not picking at details. You have actually changed your story. Deal with it the way it actually is instead of your typical dismissive hand waving.

[edit on 30-3-2010 by K J Gunderson]

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

Originally posted by simranjits
I hate to burst your bubble , i searched your markers on ysearch , it's fairly obvious you are r1b. All your matches, of which u have several are r1b.

So trust me , you're not alien.
QB588 Ejem Ceskoslovensko R1b* Family Tree DNA 14 1
GEB7W Ballantine Scotland R1b* Ancestry.com 14 1
FCEA5 Show Helfrich Mosbach, Germany, Germany R1b* DNA Heritage 14 2

These are your top 3 matches based on 14 markers i entered. You don't have an exact match is normal. The best match is just 1 marker off.

14 markers! WOW! Did you try it with all 16? No? You won't find a match!

If we start removing markers we can make it match ANY haplogroup we choose. Doing this does not lead anywhere except to support the "blind" human need to be alone in the universe.

When you started deleting data, was it two random, or two specific data points?

I did not use an ancestry database for a reason, and that is because they have too much interest in matching people to a haplogroup ... thats how they make money. I used a bit more scientific, less interested, more independant database. By the way ... with all 16 markers the closest match is either Group "A" or "BF".

Sorry to come off sarcastic and all, but this necessarily must be a "whole truth" issue. If we leave out data, then we will miss something, and it may be importanat (to you anyway).

Etharzi od Oma.


[edit on 30-3-2010 by AnthraAndromda]

Do you know anything about dna testing, if you match 14 markers , if i included all 16 , u will still match on those 14 , i didn't include all coz i was too lazy. U can do a full 16 marker search . You want to confirm this do a backbone snp test for r1b . I've done both autosomal tests( 23andme) and ftdna y and i've also done a full genome for the mtdna . I know what i'm talking about.

Based on your matches you are clearly r1b. If you don't believe me, ask your dna company to do a snp test for r1b. There are alot of deep clade test for r1b , so you get a good fix on your ancestry as well.

What you have now are 16 STR markers for your Y-dna , this is hardly enough sometimes for a haplogroup assignment. I for example have 37 markers and even then my haplogroup wasnt confirmed and i did an snp test.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
You still haven't addressed the cost. Unless there is little "out of pocket" cost to me it will be difficult.

However, "pencil in" April 20, 2010. Around 11:00 AM works best for me, that way I can avoid most of the morning traffic. I'll also need a street address.

Dude...if the tests come back showing you are a alien...or at least of no identifiable earth race...you wont have to worry about the cost...you will be rich almost overnight if you choose...people will hang on your every word, buy books and study them, donate to your website by the hundreds of dollars, etc

And if it comes back as a mundane human, well...consider it a great investment for personal therapy and moving on with life...seeing it is what it is...either way, its a win for everyone, yourself most of all.

I personally would find it great if it came back as you having a bit of k9 in your dna...but I am pretty sure whats going to come back will not be a suprise for most.

Are you sure however that you want to go through with it...I mean, have you considered for a moment what life would be like if suddenly this part of you was removed...delusion or not, if its making you personally happy thinking this to be the truth and suddenly thats gone...would you truely be a better person from the experience.

Something to consider...because if we are all right, your going to be disappointed...are you mentally prepared for such a disappointment.

Just making my rounds with making "rational posts".

YOU are not an alien.

Your evidence is flawed and your story has no legs.

Thank you for this chance to share my "reasonable" views.

Originally posted by simranjits

Do you know anything about dna testing, if you match 14 markers , if i included all 16 , u will still match on those 14 , i didn't include all coz i was too lazy. U can do a full 16 marker search . You want to confirm this do a backbone snp test for r1b . I've done both autosomal tests( 23andme) and ftdna y and i've also done a full genome for the mtdna . I know what i'm talking about.

Do I know anything about DNA testing? In what respect? I am familiar with the protocols, techniques, but have never actually done it. But, then again, I'm not a biologist, are you?

I'm a software engineer with some 40 years of experience, in that time I have worked with all sorts of data, in a myriad of fields, so I do know a thing or two about data analysis. Lazy doesn't work, ever! If one is not willing and ready to use all available data, then they can expect to get a faulty analysis.

I too have done the autosomal, Y-chromosome, and mt DNA analysis, each from a different lab, all tests were done in as "blind" a manner as I could. The resulting data was applied to various research databases around the world, I made every attempt to validate the databases for completeness, and authority of data. None of them have an underlying marketing purpose to "find matches".

My autosomal panel showed NO hits or links to ANY European population. The Y-chromosome using all 16 markers show no hits or links to ANY population at all. The mtDNA also showed no hits or links to any population.

Based on your matches you are clearly r1b. If you don't believe me, ask your dna company to do a snp test for r1b. There are alot of deep clade test for r1b , so you get a good fix on your ancestry as well.

There is nothing clear here at all. For me to be R1b, there would necessarily be hits and links to some European population, yet according to the European databases none exists. At present snp tests are not possible, I have better uses for the resources.

What you have now are 16 STR markers for your Y-dna , this is hardly enough sometimes for a haplogroup assignment. I for example have 37 markers and even then my haplogroup wasnt confirmed and i did an snp test.

Yet you seem to think that 14 is enough?

The data I have collected is quite anomalous. It shows an individual that is difficult to explain given the known mutation rates of the various chromosomes used. It shows that neither of my parents are native to this Earth. Further, decreasing the number of data points only serves to create false linkage to wholly inappropriate haplogroups. As I beleive I have already said, decreasing the data will provide a link to ANY haplogroup. When I input the Y-DNA markers into the YHRD.org database, the closest haplogroup match (not a direct match) was Group "A", followed by "BF". Neither of these are appropriate. The R1b group, while closer, is not confirmed by autosomal data as it should be.

There were no close matches for the mtDNA.

I do thank you for your input, but, this is rapidly becoming a case where the input of a DNA Biologist is needed. While I may have that resource "solved" it will take some more development before I can use it.

Etharzi od Oma.

reply to post by AnthraAndromda


It is quite obvious that the reason you manage to insist there are no contradictions in your story is because you just keep ignoring them when people point them out to you.

Be honest. What is the point of all this? You ignore it when people show you your own statements clearly contradicting each other. You ignore logic about the "facts" you have presented. You are aguing online about DNA tests that show you are a human when you claim to be able to fly on mommy's spaceship.

What is the point of this thread?

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Dude...if the tests come back showing you are a alien...or at least of no identifiable earth race...you wont have to worry about the cost...you will be rich almost overnight if you choose...people will hang on your every word, buy books and study them, donate to your website by the hundreds of dollars, etc

Right now I expect to pay for all tests, and having limited resources need to be aware of the costs, and arrange the timing so that everything works out.

And if it comes back as a mundane human, well...consider it a great investment for personal therapy and moving on with life...seeing it is what it is...either way, its a win for everyone, yourself most of all.

I personally would find it great if it came back as you having a bit of k9 in your dna...but I am pretty sure whats going to come back will not be a suprise for most.

I don't think I could ever think of myself as "mundane" regardless of the test results. And, I'm not sure the test can determine the degree of mundane involved. There is a probability that my species is for all practical purpose "Human" and very Earth like, yet still be of extraterrestrial orgin, and I'm just not sure that test can detect that. I still lean seriously toward DNA for the final say.

Are you sure however that you want to go through with it...I mean, have you considered for a moment what life would be like if suddenly this part of you was removed...delusion or not, if its making you personally happy thinking this to be the truth and suddenly thats gone...would you truely be a better person from the experience.

Something to consider...because if we are all right, your going to be disappointed...are you mentally prepared for such a disappointment.

Yes I have given this much thought. The answers, regardless of what they are will allow me to move on to the next phase, and may to some extent determine what the next phase is. In any case, we shall see.

Etharzi od Oma


[edit on 31-3-2010 by AnthraAndromda]

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

Originally posted by simranjits

Do you know anything about dna testing, if you match 14 markers , if i included all 16 , u will still match on those 14 , i didn't include all coz i was too lazy. U can do a full 16 marker search . You want to confirm this do a backbone snp test for r1b . I've done both autosomal tests( 23andme) and ftdna y and i've also done a full genome for the mtdna . I know what i'm talking about.

Do I know anything about DNA testing? In what respect? I am familiar with the protocols, techniques, but have never actually done it. But, then again, I'm not a biologist, are you?

I'm a software engineer with some 40 years of experience, in that time I have worked with all sorts of data, in a myriad of fields, so I do know a thing or two about data analysis. Lazy doesn't work, ever! If one is not willing and ready to use all available data, then they can expect to get a faulty analysis.

I too have done the autosomal, Y-chromosome, and mt DNA analysis, each from a different lab, all tests were done in as "blind" a manner as I could. The resulting data was applied to various research databases around the world, I made every attempt to validate the databases for completeness, and authority of data. None of them have an underlying marketing purpose to "find matches".

My autosomal panel showed NO hits or links to ANY European population. The Y-chromosome using all 16 markers show no hits or links to ANY population at all. The mtDNA also showed no hits or links to any population.

Based on your matches you are clearly r1b. If you don't believe me, ask your dna company to do a snp test for r1b. There are alot of deep clade test for r1b , so you get a good fix on your ancestry as well.

There is nothing clear here at all. For me to be R1b, there would necessarily be hits and links to some European population, yet according to the European databases none exists. At present snp tests are not possible, I have better uses for the resources.

What you have now are 16 STR markers for your Y-dna , this is hardly enough sometimes for a haplogroup assignment. I for example have 37 markers and even then my haplogroup wasnt confirmed and i did an snp test.

Yet you seem to think that 14 is enough?

The data I have collected is quite anomalous. It shows an individual that is difficult to explain given the known mutation rates of the various chromosomes used. It shows that neither of my parents are native to this Earth. Further, decreasing the number of data points only serves to create false linkage to wholly inappropriate haplogroups. As I beleive I have already said, decreasing the data will provide a link to ANY haplogroup. When I input the Y-DNA markers into the YHRD.org database, the closest haplogroup match (not a direct match) was Group "A", followed by "BF". Neither of these are appropriate. The R1b group, while closer, is not confirmed by autosomal data as it should be.

There were no close matches for the mtDNA.

I do thank you for your input, but, this is rapidly becoming a case where the input of a DNA Biologist is needed. While I may have that resource "solved" it will take some more development before I can use it.

Etharzi od Oma.

Don't be silly , research database don't have half the amount of data that ysearch has. I myself don't have a hit for yhrd, does that make me an alien.

I searched 14 , coz i was lazy and in a hurry . Try doing a 16 marker search and you will find thousands of matches. Ysearch has data from multiple ancestry dna labs. It is the largest y-dna search repository. That is where you should search , not yhrd.

Just do one thing , do a snp test for r1b , to confirm that you are r1b, if you don't believe me. You have over a thousand hits on ysearch, ranging from 1 marker off to 3 marker off. This is very very close matches. To find a common relative you should upgrade.

You mention autosomal test doesn't link you to r1b? i believe you have tested forensic markers ,like for use on CODIS , these are not very reliable for race prediction. They vary significantly , thats why they are used for forensics. IF they were the same all the time , you wouldn't be able to use dna for determining criminals.

Like i've said, what you need to a snp test , it is very simple. R1b is based on snp change at a certain marker on y chromosome.

No serious scientist will ever bother with this, haplogroups can only be confirmed with an snp test. With STR markers , it is always only a prediction!

So i repeat , you are human.

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Okay ....

I did a search on ysearch.org. With 16 markers there is no match, no haplogroup. There is a single match, R1b, when the number of markers is reduced to 10 and the marker variance is set to 2. Even more (a few) when the markers are set to 8.

All this is showing is that I was right, and if we start deleting data more matches show up. This, however, is not good data analysis. If we start down this road we will end up with a situation not unlike what was used to get the US into Iraq ... "lets only use some of the data, it will show what we want".

As I said, faulty data analysis. We can't pick and choose the data we use, if it is there and applicable, then it must be included, only then can we get a real view into truth.

Etharzi od Oma.

reply to post by AnthraAndromda


There is no cost to you. Now if your tests come back that you are indeed a human being then I'm sure you'll have several irratated members of the law enforcement community. Your only risk is that when/if you are proven to be human that you will run the risk of being confined for a psychiatric evaluation for at least 48 hours. That is the only cost or risk that you will have to deal with. Now of by some miracle you are an alien I make no promises about what their reaction will be. Which is the other reason I want the live feed. If your an alien then what they do to you needs to be documented. For your protection and for the benefit of mankind. Oh and I'll be writing a book at that point as well.

Originally posted by DrJay1975
reply to post by AnthraAndromda

 

There is no cost to you. Now if your tests come back that you are indeed a human being then I'm sure you'll have several irratated members of the law enforcement community. Your only risk is that when/if you are proven to be human that you will run the risk of being confined for a psychiatric evaluation for at least 48 hours. That is the only cost or risk that you will have to deal with. Now of by some miracle you are an alien I make no promises about what their reaction will be. Which is the other reason I want the live feed. If your an alien then what they do to you needs to be documented. For your protection and for the benefit of mankind. Oh and I'll be writing a book at that point as well.

In that case carve the date 20 APRIL, 2010 11:00am in stome. I'll still need a street address, so that I know ehere to go.

I'm not worried about the authorities, IF the test shows that I may be human, they would need to have probable cause that I was a danger to myself or the public to detain me at all. If the test is truly accurate and shows that I am indeed alien, then the matter would default to the federal level, and there are already agreements in place.

A book may be premature. But we can work something out about that.

I've been doing some research, and it appears that using spectroscopy to determine species is still a technology in its infancy, being some 10 months old. As such it can only give a probability and is still given to a greater probability of false positives and negatives. So, either way, it is only evidence. I already have evidence that shows no descent from a Terrestrial population.

IF the test shows that I may be Human, that would likely mean that my species and the Human species have very simular biochemistry, will be interesting to see what we are shown.

In any case we shall see.

Edit to add: Tom Petty said in song; "You can stand me up at the gates of Hell, but, I won't back down". I figure that the Dallas PD is close enough for now. You all will find that I am the tenacous SOB you will ever know of.

Etharzi od Oma.


[edit on 3-4-2010 by AnthraAndromda]

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

IF the test shows that I may be Human, that would likely mean that my species and the Human species have very simular biochemistry, will be interesting to see what we are shown.

There it is, folks. Built in deniability! I am sitting here watching some old conference on Billy Meier right now and all I can think is how you have changed your story and failed to address the fact that you have changed your story. I really thought this test would finally nail it down but...nope. You believe there is a chance that a species that is twice as tall and lives far longer just might be genetically "identical" to humans anyway. So why bother with any of this at all, really? Do you know how little sense your story makes any more?

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

IF the test shows that I may be Human, that would likely mean that my species and the Human species have very simular biochemistry, will be interesting to see what we are shown.

There it is, folks. Built in deniability! I am sitting here watching some old conference on Billy Meier right now and all I can think is how you have changed your story and failed to address the fact that you have changed your story.

Just how do I "address" something that doesn't exist? You [i[think I have changed my story, when in fact I have not. There are some elements that may have evolved with the data, but, there remains no essential change. Perhaps YOU SHOULD REVIEW THE DATA!

I really thought this test would finally nail it down but...nope. You believe there is a chance that a species that is twice as tall and lives far longer just might be genetically "identical" to humans anyway. So why bother with any of this at all, really?

And just why would you think that? If you had done your research you would know that this i,s in essense, an emerging technology. One that dates back to last Sept. for applications such as this. They haven't had time to build a "serious" database yet.

I never said my species was or might be "identical" to Terrestrial Human, I said, very simular biochemistry, big difference there.

Why bother? To collect more, possibly useful, data. Really, you seem to have no concept of "research".

Do you know how little sense your story makes any more?

Sorry my story makes little sense to you, again, perhaps if YOU did more research, and reviewed the data, and perhaps stopped rejecting ideas you don't like "out-of-hand" you could begin to understand the more basic principles of the Universe and life.

Etharzi od Oma.


[edit on 5-4-2010 by AnthraAndromda]