DNA evidence of ET? part 2

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

Originally posted by vkey08
reply to post by AnthraAndromda

 

Since you are reluctant to discuss your own words, and you seem to think noone on the planet can understand what you understand, maybe you can understand this quote from an Andromedan site...

So why are you still here?

In as much as my metaphysical works have nothing to do with biology, One has to wonder; "Of what value are they to your argument?" You can't "prove" anything of biology, and that IS what this is all about, is it not?

I never said no one could understand, actually there are many who do. However, I will state that it is above your current level of understanding.

There is no Andromeda Council. That is a mis-interpretation by Mr. Collier and some others, that have not, nor, indeed, know of a way to, verify their channelings.

edit on 21-6-2012 by AnthraAndromda because: (no reason given)

Gee more insults... I would have expected better from you, you have no idea what my level of understanding can be or is on topics... therefore you cannot comment, fail..

I'd love to continue this debate, but I am at present in the middle of running for the office of Regent here on ATS, and therefore must return to that noble pursuit.. Just an FYI, one of my campaign promises is to root out the hoaxes..

reply to post by AnthraAndromda


There is something going on about 12 strands of DNA being changed. I dont understand all of this- but you can check out website ASHTAR Command..I think you will like it.

Originally posted by vkey08
Gee more insults... I would have expected better from you, you have no idea what my level of understanding can be or is on topics... therefore you cannot comment, fail..

What insult?!?? I made no "insult" toward your, I may have stated fact, one which yu seem to want t ignore, but, none the less fact.

When I stated that your level of understanding was some less than "uster", I was referring to your reaction to various esoteric and metaphysical principals introduced. They were very informative. You sit at your "comfort level" thinking you have it all covered; you don't. As Newton put it; "I have studied these matters, you have not."

I'd love to continue this debate, but I am at present in the middle of running for the office of Regent here on ATS, and therefore must return to that noble pursuit.. Just an FYI, one of my campaign promises is to root out the hoaxes..

I wish you luck. You can't prove a hoax where there is none. You are One who insists that things be "your" way, even if they cannot To continue to deny reality will only result in your fall.

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

Exactly which thread are you quoting from? How would anyone have a clue what you mean in any sense context without the link.

Because his posts are consistent and these are the positives.

It wasn't from his Andromedan Near Earth Thread, I just checked.

Edit to add: huh, a quote from open mind forums, from page 13 of his thread there. In no way was his answer relating to his own people, it was a generic answer because the possiblity of negatives harvesting had been brought up.




[edit on 5-3-2010 by Unity_99]

I see Anthra has been lying and contradicting him/herself in this thread too. LOL. From the 5-6 pages that I've read in this thread, I've already noticed quite a few contradictions directly from the horses mouth (Anthra), but I'll make this quick.

Calling himself an Andramoden (or Andromd, whichever you prefer) is the equivalent of us (earth humans), calling ourselves Milky Wayans.

To add, Anthra does not answer questions that do not fit his/her agenda. Another point, he responds to people who are stronger willed and not to use words to prove their points, he then responds as if he is the 'victim'. All the while, completely ignoring answering the questions.

That is all. What a joke.

P.s. Unity_99, I really hope you don't believe this guy. Try reading some of his other threads, you will see his contradictions even clearer.


I am currently reading page 12 of this thread, and will slowly make my way towards the end of it while I'm eating instant noodles. At least it's a funny time killer.


oh, and HI Anthra!! I'm sure you don't like me in this thread, but too bad! I'm here to discuss your "dna" and "evidence" bwahahahahahahaha!!!!

reply to post by acidsweep


Okay, Here we can discuss this.

However, you haven't demonstrated enough prowess in anything other than Trolling to make any kind of decision, but we shall see.

In any case, if you can remain civilized, I will discuss it with you.

Now, if you do a population association using my autosomal dna panel; you will notice that there is a very high probability, that both parents are from India. Yet, neither of my Terrestrial parentswere of Indian descent.

Unfortunately you will have to take my "word" on this; but, there is no record of adoption, nor was there a possibility of a "switch" at the hospital. If you were a legitimate researcher, I would provide additional data s that you might verify that.

My Terrestrial father's blood type was AB+, and Terrestrial mother was O+; I a O-

This in and of itself is rather unusual, and makes tracing Terrestrial family lineage impossible. In essence, I have no Terrestrial family.

My Y-STR results show n match. This is unusual because of the slow mutation rate of the Y-DNA. With no match in the Y-DNA, there is a "disconnection" from the Terrestrial genome. This may nt be a "real" discnnection, however without further analysis we can not go any further.

The topic here is my DNA evidence, however, if handled in a civil manner I might extend that to include any of the evidence contained on my website. Any other "evidence" will be excluded at this time.

You need to understand that I don't have to offer any evidence at all, and that I am doing it as a courtesy to the Terrestrial Human species.

reply to post by AnthraAndromda


Ive contacted 2 professors and a bio expert at the University of Rochester as I do not trust your 'evaluation' of the dna sample you've provided (in the other thread). They have agreed to take a look at it.

Oh, and of course im not qualified to decipher that info (dna), never claimed to be, you are no exception either. Your prowess (as you put it) is severely lacking in this field (from what you've demonstrated so far). As Ive stated in the other thread, im a programmer, not in bio sciences.

You only seem good at deflecting peoples questions, so your research (if you can call it that) means nothing. Leave it to the pros, you are not one of them.

Do not try to belittle me, because you know very little about me.



Oh, and the only reason why I contacted them, is because want to know for a fact that you're a nut; if so, I will recommend you to the proper people, if not I will apologize (I don't think I have to worry about this).


Keep in mind, another poster in the other thread also looked at the dna and gave you insight (that you refuse to believe), and I noticed that there was one in this thread that also did the same thing (which you also refuted and then ignored). This inquiry will be for pure satisfaction that I know the truth through the dna strand you provided.


As a programmer (or so you say), we're in the same field of work. So you must accept and respect the logical thought process that I have, as you 'should' also.

Originally posted by acidsweep
reply to post by AnthraAndromda

 

Ive contacted 2 professors and a bio expert at the University of Rochester as I do not trust your 'evaluation' of the dna sample you've provided (in the other thread). They have agreed to look at it.

Oh, and of course im not qualified to decipher that info (dna), never claimed to be, you are no exception either. Your prowess (as you put it) is severely lacking in this field (from what you've demonstrated so far). As Ive stated in the other thread, im a programmer, not in bio sciences.

My "prowess" here is in data analysis. As yours should be, as a programmer, you should have all the skills required to analyze data contained in a relational database. You should know about data clustering, and the kinds of inforation that can be extracted from the dataset. And, you should also know that your professors and Bio expert probably don't know as much as you do about data.

I've been a software engineer for 38 years, so I know a little about what your skill set should be. I have hiered any programmers in my time.

You only seem good at deflecting peoples questions, so your research (if you can call it that) means nothing. Leave it to the pros, you are not one of them.

Ahhh, but, you see; I am a professional. And while I am not a Bio expert, I am very good at coaxing data from a database.

Do not try to belittle me, because you know very little about me.

Just as you know nothing about me.

Oh, and the reason why I contacted them, is because want to know for a fact that you're a nut; if so, I would will recommend you to the proper people, if not I will apologize (I don't think I have to worry about this).

This kind of language will not be tollerated. Period. The question of my mental health is not at issue here. Only the evidence.

Now, shall I tell you what they will say? They will tell you that the data is the DNA of a "Human". They will tell you this because you have not given them enough information. The DNA all by itself is incomplete, and will not provide conclusive anything in this matter. However, if you allow me to guide you through this, you may see the anomalies that do infact indicate that I am not what I apear to be.

But, you will have to be patient in this process, but if you are, I can virtually promiss that you view this in a somewhat more favorible light.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

Oh, and the reason why I contacted them, is because want to know for a fact that you're a nut; if so, I would will recommend you to the proper people, if not I will apologize (I don't think I have to worry about this).

This kind of language will not be tollerated. Period. The question of my mental health is not at issue here. Only the evidence.

mental health is most certainly an issue. You are claiming that you have non human DNA. If the mental condition of an individual has as one of it's symptoms "3.The person has grandiose fantasies", one might conclude that your claims are grandiose fantasies. Simply calling someone a "nut" is not accurate or productive.

Just skimming through your posts it is easy enough to correlate your pattern of posting with a mental health condition. Since you are a data analysis expert, as am I, you would agree that if we simply consider your posts as data and simply assign them a category. For example, if in a post "5.The person overexamines and downgrades other people", we could assign the number 5. and if in a post "9.The person behaves in a boastful or pretentious way." , we could assign the number 9...and so on. We could then cross reference this data with known mental health conditions and see if there is a match.

This must be considered first without question as it is the most likely explaination AND the data is readily available to anyone. Once any known psychological condition that has as its symptoms how you present yourself is ruled out, then and only then should DNA be considered.

reply to post by ZetaRediculian


No, mental health is not at issue here. Biology, and the investigation of other presented evidence is.

Mental health can have no effect on Biology; thus, if the Biology says ET, then status of mental health issues can contribute nothing.

Do you understand that?

Further, you have no business attempting to introduce such issues; they do not apply to the question of "am I ET?" Then there are the issues of amateur psychologists attempting to diagnose without suffecient data. None of the neccessary psychological data is available.

So, in view of the fact that this thread is to discuss actual evidence, and primarily DNA. Psychology is excluded primarily because it is "off topic".

Then there is the fact that your diagnosis is completely at odds with that of real professionals.

To reiterate: Psychology is excluded from this discussion.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
reply to post by ZetaRediculian

 

No, mental health is not at issue here. Biology, and the investigation of other presented evidence is.

Mental health can have no effect on Biology; thus, if the Biology says ET, then status of mental health issues can contribute nothing.

Do you understand that?

Further, you have no business attempting to introduce such issues; they do not apply to the question of "am I ET?" Then there are the issues of amateur psychologists attempting to diagnose without suffecient data. None of the neccessary psychological data is available.

So, in view of the fact that this thread is to discuss actual evidence, and primarily DNA. Psychology is excluded primarily because it is "off topic".

Then there is the fact that your diagnosis is completely at odds with that of real professionals.

To reiterate: Psychology is excluded from this discussion.

edit on 19-8-2012 by AnthraAndromda because: (no reason given)

No but biology can have an effect on Mental Heath and the conditions that are thereby chemical in nature (and therefore biological) To exclude it with such anger, means that you are unwilling to examine the whole of your argument and that in itself invalidates it...

Along with many other things but we won't get into those as I don't feel like being insulted by you any more about my intelligence or understanding..

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

My "prowess" here is in data analysis. As yours should be, as a programmer, you should have all the skills required to analyze data contained in a relational database. You should know about data clustering, and the kinds of inforation that can be extracted from the dataset. And, you should also know that your professors and Bio expert probably don't know as much as you do about data.

I've been a software engineer for 38 years, so I know a little about what your skill set should be. I have hiered any programmers in my time.

I'm well aware of my skill set, as I'm also aware of the skill set you should and shouldn't have also. Extracting and organizing data is one thing, interpreting it as alien DNA is a whole 'nother beast.

You Also make it seem as you're the only one who've hired programmers and data crunchers in their time, I've done much of that, and most likely more than you.

Ahhh, but, you see; I am a professional. And while I am not a Bio expert, I am very good at coaxing data from a database.

Refer to my above response.

Just as you know nothing about me.

This is where you are wrong, I know much more about you than you know about me. (I have here your name, address, and the plethora of things you've posted in your threads. It's safe to say, I can make many more conclusions about you, than you can of me.

This kind of language will not be tollerated. Period. The question of my mental health is not at issue here. Only the evidence.

Your mental health is definitely an issue here, as it is the most logical reason why you believe you're an 'andromd'. To add, there are many studies and released papers about how mental problems have a direct affect on a person's physical well being. Ou can find this information with a rudimentary search on google.

Now, shall I tell you what they will say? They will tell you that the data is the DNA of a "Human". They will tell you this because you have not given them enough information. The DNA all by itself is incomplete, and will not provide conclusive anything in this matter. However, if you allow me to guide you through this, you may see the anomalies that do infact indicate that I am not what I apear to be.

I'm almost certain that is the type of conclusion the professors at U of R will come to. Let me ask you something, if you know that the DNA sequence you've provided will not be enough, and is incomplete, why have you wasted people's time by asking them to look at it (as if it were irrefutable proof) ? Unless you're not looking for an answer, but only to lead people astray, would you agree this is counter-productive and an asinine way to find answers? (refer to your responses in the other thread).

But, you will have to be patient in this process, but if you are, I can virtually promiss that you view this in a somewhat more favorible light.

You want me to view your predicament in a more favorable light, yet you choose not to fully answer questions, and you give incomplete data? Is this how andromedans work? I have a strong sense that my contacting the professors will be a huge waste of their time, but again, I'm doing this to prove you're 'not all there'

Originally posted by acidsweep

I'm well aware of my skill set, as I'm also aware of the skill set you should and shouldn't have also. Extracting and organizing data is one thing, interpreting it as alien DNA is a whole 'nother beast.

Yes, you should be aware of my skill set, actually; you better be. However on the issue of what I "shouldn't have"; is entirely different. Our extended skill sets are derived from expirence, and it that exirence from a long career that I, and you, should rely upon, not just in our individual "projects", but in all other things as well.

This is where you are wrong, I know much more about you than you know about me. (I have here your name, address, and the plethora of things you've posted in your threads. It's safe to say, I can make many more conclusions about you, than you can of me.

Yes, all that is freely available. But, can you truly trust that data?

Have you ever tried to decompile an execuatable that has been deliberately obfuscated? You will find it quite difficult, depending of course on the effectiveness of the obfuscation. This is key to understanding my life. I have been made (I didn't do it) into an enigma; a peson with a deliberately obfuscated life . . . trust me on this, it's not fun! The only thing That hasn't been obfuscated is my resume. And from that you can see that I have done mostly consulting and contract work.

Your mental health is definitely an issue here, as it is the most logical reason why you believe you're an 'andromd'. To add, there are many studies and released papers about how mental problems have a direct affect on a person's physical well being. Ou can find this information with a rudimentary search on google.

Actually, in my case, you are wrong! While the mental health might be an issue in another discussion; it doesn't apply here because we are talking about DNA and other evidences that psychology can not aply to.

Like this; I could be a true and complete "loony tune", yet have non-terrestrial DNA. Would that make me a Terrestrial? No, it would not; it would make me a "troubled" alien. Then there is psychological data that you can't access, that contradicts everything you say that is related to psychology.

Further, you have not gathered any where enough data t make any kind of decision on my psychological state.

And this one last little note, so I don't have to do an edit: There is another aspect that none of you seem to notice; my education, training, and exirence as a "Western Ceremonial Magician". You can trust me on this; Psychologists have no way or method to deal with, or understand "Magick". The levels of mental descipline, the active training to awaken the "inner self". The exercised to increase "psychic" abilities, etc. make us very difficult to understand, and, we fit into no box. What we do, train for, etc. is outside the realm of "normal" understanding.

I'm almost certain that is the type of conclusion the professors at U of R will come to. Let me ask you something, if you know that the DNA sequence you've provided will not be enough, and is incomplete, why have you wasted people's time by asking them to look at it (as if it were irrefutable proof) ? Unless you're not looking for an answer, but only to lead people astray, would you agree this is counter-productive and an asinine way to find answers? (refer to your responses in the other thread).

There are indications within the DNA results that are rather similar to another case. It the presense of anomalies in my DNA that are also present in this other case that lead to the hypothesis that small and seemingly insignificant anoalies may indicate off-world origins.

This is the Peter Khoury case.. I will warn you though, there seems to a good amount of BS in the story. However, the DNA indications are a different story.

Also, there are some inconsistancies in my DNA that most overlook, or try to find a mundane explaination for, usually with no success.

You want me to view your predicament in a more favorable light, yet you choose not to fully answer questions, and you give incomplete data? Is this how andromedans work? I have a strong sense that my contacting the professors will be a huge waste of their time, but again, I'm doing this to prove you're 'not all there'

No, this is not how Andromedans work. It how I must work with Terrestrials. One of our greatest abilities is to "jump to conclusions". That doesn't work here.; I know, I tried, it didn't work!

Yes the DNA data is incomplete; do you have any idea what that kind of work costs? It can be very expensive. And, unlike others (like Lloyd Pie), I don't ask for contrabutions.

Oh, and on future posts; could you please delete all the "edited by" crap from the end of the post. All it does is take up screen real estate, and we don't need it.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
reply to post by ZetaRediculian

 

No, mental health is not at issue here. Biology, and the investigation of other presented evidence is.

Mental health can have no effect on Biology; thus, if the Biology says ET, then status of mental health issues can contribute nothing.

Do you understand that?

I do not. Mental Health IS biologhy. But to clarify, there is no evidence thus far of any ET biology or rather non human. However, there seems to be an abundance of evidence that this a mental health issue.

If someone claims that they are an alien, psychological disorders must be ruled out before DNA type evidence is even considered.

Further, you have no business attempting to introduce such issues; they do not apply to the question of "am I ET?" Then there are the issues of amateur psychologists attempting to diagnose without suffecient data. None of the neccessary psychological data is available.

I disagree. If you present yourself in certain way that matches exactly a known psychological condition then one can assertain why you claim such things. The data is your postings. If you were to post pictures of a lump on your butt
and then claimed it to be an alien baby...someone familiar with such an anomoly might recognize it as a malignant tumor and suggest you get it checked out. They would not be accused of being an amature MD.

So, in view of the fact that this thread is to discuss actual evidence, and primarily DNA. Psychology is excluded primarily because it is "off topic".

I disagree. showing that there is something else at play may shed some light on the behavior and the NON DNA Evidence. Furthur, reading of your posts indicates that you are a human with a terrestrial psychology. Your postings are representative of someone with human DNA with a psychological condition.

Then there is the fact that your diagnosis is completely at odds with that of real professionals.

I happen to know a "real" professional pretty well...who looked at this...the response "oh surprise, someone with a personality disorder posting on a forum that they are an alien."

You should get this checked out.

And this one last little note, so I don't have to do an edit: There is another aspect that none of you seem to notice; my education, training, and exirence as a "Western Ceremonial Magician". You can trust me on this; Psychologists have no way or method to deal with, or understand "Magick". The levels of mental descipline, the active training to awaken the "inner self". The exercised to increase "psychic" abilities, etc. make us very difficult to understand, and, we fit into no box. What we do, train for, etc. is outside the realm of "normal" understanding.

I spend my mana reserves to cast Mighty of the Beyondness

I steal yo soul and cast Lightning Lvl 1,000,000 Your body explodes into a fine bloody mist, because you are only a Lvl 2 Western Ceremonial Magician.

BTW I am a Lvl 5 Ancient Wizard. Don't make me angry.

reply to post by ZetaRediculian


Then allow me to restate that:

No, mental health is not at issue here. DNA, and the investigation of other presented evidence is.

Mental health can have no effect on DNA; thus, if the DNA says ET, then status of mental health issues can contribute nothing.

Do you understand that?!

The original title was / is DNA evidence, not psychological.

In as much as this IS my thread; it would seem logical that I and only I may extend it to include other evidence, but, that would be at my option. There is no recourse here.

The topic is: DNA evidence of ET?

You and some others destroyed my other thread by refusing to stay on topic. You will not do that to this thread.

Now, if you're willing to be civilized; perhaps I can show you some things in this data that your best scientists can't "see" yet.

Originally posted by ZetaRediculian

I spend my mana reserves to cast Mighty of the Beyondness

I steal yo soul and cast Lightning Lvl 1,000,000 Your body explodes into a fine bloody mist, because you are only a Lvl 2 Western Ceremonial Magician.

BTW I am a Lvl 5 Ancient Wizard. Don't make me angry.

This is exactally the kind of garbage that destroyed the other thread. This kind of comment is not only off topic, but is entirely uncalled for. You si have absolutely no knowledge of WCM, yout you foolishly comment upon it.

MODS: please leave this here as an example.

You know Anthra... you really should do some research on genetic anomalies before you relay strictly on a data program you designed to glean your results. There was a study done recently that actually addressed some of your arguments as to why you can't be human..

I won't go into the intricate details, as I'm sure you already know them, but genetic depression is a field of study that actually explains away and invalidates 99.9% of your argument that you are extraterrestrial based upon your DNA..

Just some food for thought, although I fully expect you will have some excuse as to why this is not applicable in your case..

Then allow me to restate that:

No, mental health is not at issue here. DNA, and the investigation of other presented evidence is.

Mental health can have no effect on DNA; thus, if the DNA says ET, then status of mental health issues can contribute nothing.

Do you understand that?!

No I do not.

The original title was / is DNA evidence, not psychological.

you claiming to have alien DNA is symptomatic of something psychological.

In as much as this IS my thread; it would seem logical that I and only I may extend it to include other evidence, but, that would be at my option. There is no recourse here.

you have included plenty of psychologiacl evidence. that, there is no doubt about. Is everyone to ignore the psychological evidence you have included? The recourse may be to stop including so much psychological evidence and to just present your DNA evidence.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

Originally posted by ZetaRediculian

I spend my mana reserves to cast Mighty of the Beyondness

I steal yo soul and cast Lightning Lvl 1,000,000 Your body explodes into a fine bloody mist, because you are only a Lvl 2 Western Ceremonial Magician.

BTW I am a Lvl 5 Ancient Wizard. Don't make me angry.

This is exactally the kind of garbage that destroyed the other thread. This kind of comment is not only off topic, but is entirely uncalled for. You si have absolutely no knowledge of WCM, yout you foolishly comment upon it.

MODS: please leave this here as an example.

Yes, please leave this as an example of someone who is displaying a psychological illness. You have absolutely no knowledge of what powers I have. I could destroy with a single thought, but i spare you because I like you.

Morning Gents,

I do apologise for not keeping my posts up over the weekend here, however i got caught up in a number of things that required my immediate attention. I've flicked through a few things that we are going back to the DNA, assuming that previous thread is either locked or moved i'll continue here.

OP, your DNA is Homo-Sapien and terrestrial. Blood type's are hereditary yes, AB+ plus O, the O will always win out as it is the dominant blood type, which is also why most hospitals are missing AB blood and usually supplement it with O (Depending on circumstances of course). I can assure you the blood type thing comes up often, usually after the child is checked over initially (and a blood type card is issued to the parents or in some countries it is included on the birth certificate). The VERY most common thing is if the father is aware of their blood type, and questions the doctors about the liniage of the child (IE - is it his).

Blood types further reading

Onto the psychological standpoint, this is where it truly gets interesting.

OP - Your posts have passion, and anger when someone dismisses your claims outright. Each post back to me was getting more and more aggressive as i posted back counting your claim with documented factual information, including that your DNA exam was incomplete and not to the standards of the FBI (despite your claims). If you truly believe you are an alien this then (in my opinion) is classified as a delusion or a very vivid imagination. Keep in mind this is all information taken from an INTERNET forum and no physical contact, so please keep that in mind.

In conclusion, you have not supplied enough of a case to warrant additional investigation, unless further evidence is supplied. However i will hang around and answer and rebuttal or questions you might have.

Edit - This should NOT be taken as an insult or fuel for the flamers. It's all an observation from my brain, you ALL should take it with a grain of salt.