DNA evidence of ET? part 2

reply to post by AnthraAndromda


OK Anthra..lets think about this for a moment then.
You say you were not dreaming then because the dream was far more vivid than normal compulsion dreams. I sort of understand what your saying as far as missing details in normal dreams.

So, your immediate conclusion then is that you were physically abducted? why would you suddenly leap to that conclusion? Do you have physical evidence beyond feeling groggy the next morning?

Heres an alternative theory to make the waters a bit more muddy than normal...

You suggest you are a priest of sorts from your homeworld...and that you work magick's here on earth..clearly you subscribe to this line of thinking and so you would also accept the ability to astral travel (aka, soul travel). Wouldn't that both make more sense for fast travel, dreamlike feel, zero return evidence, non-sightings, etc etc etc than for mom to wait, then when your asleep, drive her mothership over the house and have some people grab you?

Now, if you accept it could be astral travel to and from verses physical, then how would you be aware of distance...did you literally see the earth enough to identify it through its continents? Also since people state that A.T. is time independent, for all you know, this could be 1000 years in the future, or past, or a different branch of reality all together...

Finally, if you are warming up to the idea, then you might also consider that the birth of your human body was infused with the alien soul to begin with and that physically your body is human, and only once its all over will your true form be released...earth being your sort of virtual reality...in which there are about 6 billion people whom will identify with you (as many believe the soul is not a native creature of earth but rather something from the heavens/heaven/whatever) and you will one day return home, or as modern religious people state, go back to the father, go back home to heaven, etc...you simply may be putting new names and details on a old story.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
reply to post by AnthraAndromda

 

OK Anthra..lets think about this for a moment then.
You say you were not dreaming then because the dream was far more vivid than normal compulsion dreams. I sort of understand what your saying as far as missing details in normal dreams.

So, your immediate conclusion then is that you were physically abducted? why would you suddenly leap to that conclusion? Do you have physical evidence beyond feeling groggy the next morning?

I wouldn't call it immediate. I spent a couple of weeks going over the memories and the differences in them. And, its more than memories that are more vivid. Real memories contain details that simply do not occur in dream memories.

For instance ... In my WOW dreams, I can remember that I was in a group and fighting some "nasty creature', but I cannot remember who I was grouped with, their class, or who we were fighting. Yesterday I had a growth removed from an eye lid. I can remember the small amount of pain as the doctor injected a numbing agent, the feeling in my sys as it went numb, the feeling of pressure as he used his scalpel to remove the growth. And, perhaps the worst, seeing the smoke and the smell of my searing flesh as he cauterized the wound. I can even remember the three doctors and what they were wearing. The WOW epsiode was a dream, I know this because I woke up in bed, and WOW is a game with little connection to the real world. The eye surgery was real, I can look in a mirror and see the wound.

Heres an alternative theory to make the waters a bit more muddy than normal...

You suggest you are a priest of sorts from your homeworld...and that you work magick's here on earth..clearly you subscribe to this line of thinking and so you would also accept the ability to astral travel (aka, soul travel). Wouldn't that both make more sense for fast travel, dreamlike feel, zero return evidence, non-sightings, etc etc etc than for mom to wait, then when your asleep, drive her mothership over the house and have some people grab you?

Yes, I subscribe to the notion of Astral Travel, in fact it is a part of the training a Mage goes through.

Astral travel is a waking, willed separation of consciousness from the physical body. The memories produced by astral travel are unique to astral travel. One is always aware that they are experiencing things outside of themselves. Whether this be in the normal physical world, on another plane, or in a different time, One is always aware of the self and the environment. I find this difficult to explain, Astral travel, while a real experience is also a transcendental one, and difficult to relate except to those who have experienced it.

Now, if you accept it could be astral travel to and from verses physical, then how would you be aware of distance...did you literally see the earth enough to identify it through its continents? Also since people state that A.T. is time independent, for all you know, this could be 1000 years in the future, or past, or a different branch of reality all together...

In the training for Astral travel we are taught to always be aware of the state of our physical body, what plane it is on, and where it is. Though distance does become somewhat irrelevent, as well as time.

Finally, if you are warming up to the idea, then you might also consider that the birth of your human body was infused with the alien soul to begin with and that physically your body is human, and only once its all over will your true form be released...earth being your sort of virtual reality...in which there are about 6 billion people whom will identify with you (as many believe the soul is not a native creature of earth but rather something from the heavens/heaven/whatever) and you will one day return home, or as modern religious people state, go back to the father, go back home to heaven, etc...you simply may be putting new names and details on a old story.

I like the idea, though, it is one that I had already considered. As for the probability that I am an alien incarnated in a Human body ... that is a question that I have asked Mother, many times. She says that is not the case. I have been told repeatedly that I am an Andromd in every sense. That I was placed on Earth after being born in space (Mother's starship in Earth orbit).

According to Occult lore, everyone is from somewhere else. We are all on a quest for experience, and Earth, or a place like it is just one of the stops. So, in a sense all Humans are "alien" to this sphere, though most have Terrestrial Human bodies.

Etharzi od Oma.

reply to post by AnthraAndromda


I have a serious question for you and I really do not want you to take it as an insult. Do you regularly consume alcoholic beverages? I am not asking if you get drunk, over-do it, have a problem or anything like that. I am not even asking how much or of what. Many people I know have at least one glass of wine a night or something like that. I am just curious if you indulge in any kind of regular fashion.

Originally posted by K J Gunderson
reply to post by AnthraAndromda

 

I have a serious question for you and I really do not want you to take it as an insult. Do you regularly consume alcoholic beverages? I am not asking if you get drunk, over-do it, have a problem or anything like that. I am not even asking how much or of what. Many people I know have at least one glass of wine a night or something like that. I am just curious if you indulge in any kind of regular fashion.

No. I do on rare occasions, but as a general rule do not use any intoxicants.

reply to post by AnthraAndromda


Does your wolf suffer from anything?

Or appear to be 'different' from other wolves?

-m0r

Originally posted by m0r1arty
reply to post by AnthraAndromda

 

Does your wolf suffer from anything?

Or appear to be 'different' from other wolves?

-m0r

Nope. She is a rather normal beast.

Other than being a bit more acustomed to the presense of Humans and other "pets" I don't think she is any different that other Wolves.

Having a Wolf for a companion, however, does have it's own challanges. For instance, despite being quite well fed, her humting instinct is quite strong, When ever she is outside I accompany her to insure she doesn't hunt local livestock. Our "yard" is about 2 acres and well fenced, but, unfortunately our horse has made small holes Ista (the wolf) can slip through. She does make a fair "alarm clock" though ... she wakes me up by howling every morning, it is rather pleasant to lay there and howl with her.

I seem to have had a bit of "luck" and found a source for mother's mtDNA.

Unfortunately, mtDNA databases are a bit more difficult to find that either the Autosomal, or Y-STR databases. However, I did find such a database in Sweden; there were no matches. So it would seem that Mother has no haplogroup either.

Etharzi od Oma

Some of you have been asking about verification of my data. Verification is not something I can do, if I did, it would be no better than the data I have already offered.

So, to provide the requested verification I will offer the following terms.

1. Cost of verification is your responsibility.
2. Sample collection must happen in Dallas, Texas.
3. Samples must be sent by the "collecter" to an agreed upon third party labratory.
4. Samples must be collected by a third, independant party (Doctor, Police, lab tech., etc.)
5. copies of any results must be sent to me, you, and any third pard analyst. Results of third party analysis must be sent to me as well.
6. All rights to any and all results and analysis will be mine.

These ar the terms for now and are subject to change.

Etharzi od Oma

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
Some of you have been asking about verification of my data. Verification is not something I can do, if I did, it would be no better than the data I have already offered.

So, to provide the requested verification I will offer the following terms.

1. Cost of verification is your responsibility.

The majority of this thread is about how YOU want verification and what you are doing to get it. There is much about how poor old you would like to get the right tests done but cannot afford it because you are not willing to sell your rare and valuable car. Now you suddenly think it makes sense to tell other people they need to pay for it if they want to see it? This was all about the fact that you wanted to see it. That was the PURPOSE OF THE THREAD.

This joke has just gotten worse.

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
Some of you have been asking about verification of my data. Verification is not something I can do, if I did, it would be no better than the data I have already offered.

So, to provide the requested verification I will offer the following terms.

1. Cost of verification is your responsibility.

The majority of this thread is about how YOU want verification and what you are doing to get it. There is much about how poor old you would like to get the right tests done but cannot afford it because you are not willing to sell your rare and valuable car. Now you suddenly think it makes sense to tell other people they need to pay for it if they want to see it? This was all about the fact that you wanted to see it. That was the PURPOSE OF THE THREAD.

This joke has just gotten worse.

Are you totally incapable of understanding the simplest of consepts? Your post is wholly inappropriate.

The purpose of this thread was to present data that I have collected, the purpose of the last post was to inform people how they might verify the available data.

And, then you post your twisted interpretation here ... One has just got to ask why? To muddy the waters? To attempt to deflect everyone from the truth? Or perhaps it is because your poor psyche can't handle reality. If you can't handle it, if you can't be constructive, don't comment.

Etharzi od Oma


[edit on 30-3-2010 by AnthraAndromda]

reply to post by AnthraAndromda



You have offered no reality. I am still pretty caught up on the fact that your people just happened to have the same name for their home as the Greek name us Humans here on Earth gave it. There is also the fact that you admit you have doubts as to whether or not you actually visited mother or if it was a dream. You have offered nothing in the way of proof or evidence of anything other than the fact that you are a person who belongs to ATS that can type.

If you want to see how I handle reality, please offer some up.

I have been following along just fine and I am not muddying anything. You wanted tests done. You said you could not afford them. You claim to have an extremely valuable car. You now want someone else to offer to pay for the test to prove it to themselves.

What did I miss?

You no longer want those tests done yourself or you just do not want to pay for them?

reply to post by K J Gunderson

I have been following along just fine and I am not muddying anything. You wanted tests done.

NO! I had tests done, I've presented the results of those tests. YOU have never addressed the results I've given... whY? Prolly because you are afraid.

Again, if you can't understand what I've been saying, if you can't be constructive, please just go away.

Oh ... you might try doing a bit of your own research.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

NO! I had tests done, I've presented the results of those tests. YOU have never addressed the results I've given... whY? Prolly because you are afraid.

Because those tests have been argued away by people with far more knowledge on the subject than either you or myself. Have you not read those responses? Do you think each and every person has to make the exact same point to you?

Again, if you can't understand what I've been saying, if you can't be constructive, please just go away.

I understand what you are saying. You are making a claim and refusing to back it up or even keep it consistent and logical. This is a public forum about conspiracies, UFOs, paranormal, etc. These things interest me. People who perpetrate attention seeking lies interest me as well.

Telling me to go away just because I refuse to just buy your tale is pretty weak considering you have not answered any of the questions I have ever posed to you. It is not like I have not tried.

Oh ... you might try doing a bit of your own research.

LOL, into what?

p.s. you did say that Billy Meiers was telling the truth and his Plaedians were real so I have to ask if your mom's ship looks like this at all?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4c997fcb9d96.jpg[/atsimg]

[edit on 30-3-2010 by K J Gunderson]

reply to post by K J Gunderson

Because those tests have been argued away by people with far more knowledge on the subject than either you or myself.

Not true. Some, with little to no expertise in biology have attempted to argue that my DNA "looks" Human, and I have not disagreed. They further stated that "as a Human" I must be quite rare. I have argued that there is NO LINK to ANY Human population in my Y-chromosome, and mtDNA. This does not make me a rare Human, it makes me non-terrestrial. The fact that my DNA "looks" Human, should not come as a surprise to anyone, though I will admit that I'm not too keen on the notion, but it seems to be a fact anyway. However, it is also a FACT, that I am NOT descended from ANY Terrestrial population.

You are making a claim and refusing to back it up or even keep it consistent and logical.

Again, you are wrong! I have backed up my claim with real scientific data, it is YOU that can not see the reality of that data. As for the logic....that is your failing.

Telling me to go away just because I refuse to just buy your tale ...

I'm not telling you to go away because you don't buy my claim or data. I'm telling you to go away because you won't stay on topic. You seem to be trying to divert everyone away from the truth. I'm not sure why that is, but anything you do will not change that truth, no matter how hard you try.

People who perpetrate attention seeking lies interest me as well.

And, with this you imply that I am a liar. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have not, nor will I ever lie about this, it is far too important to me and the people of Earth.

What in the hell is that a photo of? If you are going to pretend that it is one of Meiers photos, I will have to say BS! I've seen his original photos, back in the early 80's, that's not one of them! I've seen the analysis of his early photos and they were what he claimed them to be. I have heard, however, that the later photos were all crap, I don't know about them, if that is true, then it is his bad! All I can say is that the early work was true, right down to the metal sample he sent to Marcel Vogal for analysis.

Now ... if you please ... stay on topic!

reply to post by K J Gunderson


Is that really one of Meiers' photos? If so, then it would seem that he may have lost a bit of something. I really can't fathom anyone building something like that and then photographing it.

By the way, mother's ship look kinda like my avatar. It is about 1km in length and nearly 1km at its widest point. It has a dark grey non-reflective, rather rough looking finish, and no visible lights.

Etharzi od Oma

My DNA shows that I'm the son of Poseidon....

Damn, has that been used in a book too, crap give me a minute and I'll come up with something else.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

Is that really one of Meiers' photos? If so, then it would seem that he may have lost a bit of something. I really can't fathom anyone building something like that and then photographing it.

It is most certainly his farmhouse. If you are truly interested I am sure I can find whatever bogus claim he made about it as well.

By the way, mother's ship look kinda like my avatar. It is about 1km in length and nearly 1km at its widest point. It has a dark grey non-reflective, rather rough looking finish, and no visible lights.

Etharzi od Oma

Your mother's ship has a cloaking device? How does it work?

Ok, you said you'd try the Raman... Dallas Texas yes? I need a date and a time. The test will be administered by Dallas Police Department's CSRS and the results will be verified by the Southwestern Institute of Forensic Sciences internal lab at Dallas PD.

Here are my requirements:

I require 2 weeks notice of your test date which must be Mon-Fri 9AM-4PM.

The test administrator will register on ATS in your presence and will post results accordingly with both of us as witnesses.

The entire process will be recorded by a police officer under the supervision of the administrator.

The recording will be immediately uploaded by me to ATS.

All results will be directly posted from the computer.

As will the database findings.

I'm sure that is satisfactory to all. I wouldn't even object to setting up a live feed for the test and results to completely eliminate the risk of fraud. And to one poster who asked if the naysayers would admit that he was an alien if it is true. If his blood comes back as not cat, dog or human... Then I would freely admit that anthra is either a very abnormal human with a degree of mutation that separates him from the rest of the human population or that he is an alien. More testing would be required to make that determination. But I would be the 1st to admit his claims are at least worthy of examination as he has serious irrefutable evidence to back it up.

Just a note. I am 100% expecting the reply that "I can't do that test, the police will take me away when they see I'm not human.". And if I am wrong I apologize but I expect that or a noshow or I work 9-5 and cant get off.

Just for reference, if the spectro comes back not human their is an offer for stringent DNA testing at no charge. On site, directly following said test.

reply to post by AnthraAndromda


I am not going to go back and forth with you on this. Everyone reading this thread can easily see exactly what I and others have pointed out or questioned. Repeating the argument gets us nowhere so just move on, shall we. I have already made up my mind concerning those claims. At this point, I am really just along for the ride. I want to see how you are going to either back out of the test or "explain" it away.

p.s. There is a lengthy explanation from Mikey Horn defending the above photograph and explaining that Meier had asked Ptaah to help explain it and it goes on and on and on. I hope that clears that up. He is a fraud and attaching your story to him is worse than any of the other damage you have done.

[edit on 30-3-2010 by K J Gunderson]

Originally posted by DrJay1975
Ok, you said you'd try the Raman... Dallas Texas yes? I need a date and a time. The test will be administered by Dallas Police Department's CSRS and the results will be verified by the Southwestern Institute of Forensic Sciences internal lab at Dallas PD.

Here are my requirements:

I require 2 weeks notice of your test date which must be Mon-Fri 9AM-4PM.

The test administrator will register on ATS in your presence and will post results accordingly with both of us as witnesses.

The entire process will be recorded by a police officer under the supervision of the administrator.

The recording will be immediately uploaded by me to ATS.

All results will be directly posted from the computer.

As will the database findings.

I'm sure that is satisfactory to all. I wouldn't even object to setting up a live feed for the test and results to completely eliminate the risk of fraud. And to one poster who asked if the naysayers would admit that he was an alien if it is true. If his blood comes back as not cat, dog or human... Then I would freely admit that anthra is either a very abnormal human with a degree of mutation that separates him from the rest of the human population or that he is an alien. More testing would be required to make that determination. But I would be the 1st to admit his claims are at least worthy of examination as he has serious irrefutable evidence to back it up.

Just a note. I am 100% expecting the reply that "I can't do that test, the police will take me away when they see I'm not human.". And if I am wrong I apologize but I expect that or a noshow or I work 9-5 and cant get off.

Just for reference, if the spectro comes back not human their is an offer for stringent DNA testing at no charge. On site, directly following said test.

You still haven't addressed the cost. Unless there is little "out of pocket" cost to me it will be difficult.

However, "pencil in" April 20, 2010. Around 11:00 AM works best for me, that way I can avoid most of the morning traffic. I'll also need a street address.

I would also like hard copies of the results for my research and records.