DNA evidence of ET? part 2

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
Just how do I "address" something that doesn't exist? You [i[think I have changed my story, when in fact I have not. There are some elements that may have evolved with the data, but, there remains no essential change. Perhaps YOU SHOULD REVIEW THE DATA!

Pay attention this time, ok. You have completely changed your story about Billy Meiers from one thread to another. What are you having a hard time understanding here? You spent time defending the man's claims based on your own experience with real physical evidence and now you claim that you just saw a few pictures but whatever. That is not evolving with the data, that is changing altogether.

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I am so truly sorry ... NOT! The topic here isn't Billy Meiers, it is my evidence. So kindly drop the pretense and stay on topic.

I don't recall spending much time defending Billy Meiers, though I did mention that I had seen his photos, and physical evidence in the early 80's. I also stated that what he had then was not fake. In any case, my "story? amd opinion in that regard has not changed, except in YOUR mind.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

I am so truly sorry ... NOT! The topic here isn't Billy Meiers, it is my evidence. So kindly drop the pretense and stay on topic.

Exactly. Any evidence that YOU present that also serves to discredit YOU is perfectly applicable.

I don't recall spending much time defending Billy Meiers, though I did mention that I had seen his photos, and physical evidence in the early 80's. I also stated that what he had then was not fake. In any case, my "story? amd opinion in that regard has not changed, except in YOUR mind.

No, it keeps changing. Originally you handled physical evidence, then you ONLY saw some pictures, now you are back to seeing evidence. LOL. No change there at all huh?

How do you think your credibility is not fair game here?

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

I am so truly sorry ... NOT! The topic here isn't Billy Meiers, it is my evidence. So kindly drop the pretense and stay on topic.

Exactly. Any evidence that YOU present that also serves to discredit YOU is perfectly applicable.

And now we see what you are trying to do, but you don't know how ... you are a man trying to start a fire and you don't even have two sticks. SAD!

No, it keeps changing. Originally you handled physical evidence, then you ONLY saw some pictures, now you are back to seeing evidence. LOL. No change there at all huh?

How do you think your credibility is not fair game here?

Again, you have misunderstood what I have said! Nowhere did I say what you think I said. I said I handled the evidence AND saw the photos.

Most of my credibility rests on the evidence I have collected. That evidence is easily verified by anyone who cares to. The fact that you can't read and understand has no bearing here. Neither does your total lack of any skills or knowledge.

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Actually he is very consistent, more so in some ways than myself, because while the dates I've written down, amongst some that I have, and events are the same, my overall understanding is evolving, even more so now that I'm beginning to come home to self more, through my heart, to my Higher Self connection.

Anthra is connected to and speaking on behalf of very benevolent people. Its a matter of how ready we are to hear it. Its alot of the problems we have on this problem all stem from our state of frequency and consciousness, that TPTB have kept deliberately as low as possible for many, that many don't reach inside their hearts for their own insight, truth, and for contact themselves. You can do this too, by the way. Even if Anthra can't prove himself to you, you can seek yourself. Its through your heart, not your mental overlay, but your heart that you have access within to your Higher Self, and you can broadcast out your frequency and request for positive contact, also meditatation, seeking nature and mother earth's frequency, will open your eyes as well.

Love & Light!

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

I am so truly sorry ... NOT! The topic here isn't Billy Meiers, it is my evidence. So kindly drop the pretense and stay on topic.

Exactly. Any evidence that YOU present that also serves to discredit YOU is perfectly applicable.

And now we see what you are trying to do, but you don't know how ... you are a man trying to start a fire and you don't even have two sticks. SAD!

No, it keeps changing. Originally you handled physical evidence, then you ONLY saw some pictures, now you are back to seeing evidence. LOL. No change there at all huh?

How do you think your credibility is not fair game here?

Again, you have misunderstood what I have said! Nowhere did I say what you think I said. I said I handled the evidence AND saw the photos.

Most of my credibility rests on the evidence I have collected. That evidence is easily verified by anyone who cares to. The fact that you can't read and understand has no bearing here. Neither does your total lack of any skills or knowledge.

Uh huh and...

Only stating that I have seen his photos from the early 80's / late 70's. The photos I saw were not fakes, at least they didn't appear to be. And, Marcel seemed to think they were real. I stopped following that around 81 or so, so I don't know what happened after that

No contradiction there at all.

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

Actually he is very consistent, more so in some ways than myself,

I guess you missed this the last couple of times then?

When I asked (with regard to your DNA)

Wasn’t it supposed to throw up non-Human DNA?


you replied:

That would have been nice, however, it was not expected.


Really?

Are you sure it wasn’t expected?

What about this answer, again with regard to another ATS member’s questions about your DNA (emphasis added):

While I'm sure that any DNA tests done on me will shou that I'm not Human, I don't feel that it would prove that I'm an "off-worlder".


And here:

I said that my DNA would show that I'm not Human, but wouldn't be proof that I'm from "off-world" Your science does not know anything about "off-world" DNA...it does know about non-human DNA.


But, the tests prove that you are very, very Human.

found here

post by AnthraAndromda

Both of my terrestrial parents a gone now; mother in 1988, father in 2000. As far as I know neither had any knowledge that I wasn't truly theirs.

post by AnthraAndromda

During the months before my birth my mother had occasion to visit Earth several times, thus exposing her to some of the viruses and bacteria here, this gave some protection. Also, I was transported here just after birth, and while I may not have had all the protection of a human new born, I was able to pick up the immunities just as a human would. And, as I understan it, I was breast fed by my human mother for a while which would have given me more ...

post by AnthraAndromda

As for the probability that I am an alien incarnated in a Human body ... that is a question that I have asked Mother, many times. She says that is not the case. I have been told repeatedly that I am an Andromd in every sense. That I was placed on Earth after being born in space (Mother's starship in Earth orbit).

post by AnthraAndromda

I have argued that there is NO LINK to ANY Human population in my Y-chromosome, and mtDNA. This does not make me a rare Human, it makes me non-terrestrial.

Early on the morning of April 10, 1947, I began my life on Planet Earth. Though my actual birth had occured scores of minutes before any Earth Human had seen me. I was born on a planet named As-tara in the Galaxy Andromeda and teleported to earth within minutes.

beyond-the-illusion.com...

Allow us to introduce our emissary; Anthra-Andromda of the clan Kabuklm. He is the child of D'arna-Shat and Neva-Com, of the leading clan of our great star-system. Anthra is still quite young by his people's standards, so you may want to take that into consideration.

beyond-the-illusion.com...

After reading the entire thread, this is what I got of your story:

Your real dad is an alien called Neva-Com and your real mum is an alien called D'arna-Shat. You were born on April 10, 1947 either on a planet named As-tara or on your mum's spaceship in earth orbit.
You were then teleported to earth a few minutes after your birth.
You have determined that your DNA is of extraterrestrial origin from both the Y-chromosome and mtDNA contributions of Neva-Com and D'arna-Shat.

Here's my question: how could your earth mother believe she carried you for nine months, gave birth to you in an American hospital and presumably signed your birth certificate?
Either she gave birth to you and, therefore, knew for certain that you were her child or she didn't give birth to you and knew that you weren't.

Lloyd Pye has done some excellent research in this regard. I would recommend checking out his videos on youtube.

reply to post by jeanvaljean

Here's my question: how could your earth mother believe she carried you for nine months, gave birth to you in an American hospital and presumably signed your birth certificate?
Either she gave birth to you and, therefore, knew for certain that you were her child or she didn't give birth to you and knew that you weren't.

And, if she gave birth to an infant boy, and was given an infant boy, she may not know that a switch was made. I never did ask her what she knew about me, though I have suspected she had some idea that I wasn't her's. This unfortunately is a question that can not be asked.

reply to post by K J Gunderson


AS HARD As I try to see the contradiction you claim, I cannot! It is almost as if you see something that isn't there. You say "contradiction" when I say that I have seen photos, and when I say that I have seen physical evidence. Is it not possible to have done both?

Just because I say these things in separate posts does not make a contradiction.

By the way, the evidence has not proven that I'm human. Further it does indicate that I am not descended from any Human family line. Both my mtDNA, and, Y-chromosome do not trace to any known haplogroup which should be expected IF I were a Terrestrial Human. And, since the DNA tests have not shown that I am Human, and probubly can't, then we shall have to wait until I can afford more extensive testing. Like one that can show the number of chromosomal pairs I have, and other defining data that is not linked to Human DNA markers.

Again, I am going to recommend that you open your mind, start thinking for yourself, and, review the data. Do your own research and make some attempt to understand. And, please stop posting the same ole garbage, we both know that what you see isn't what's truly there.

Ya know, you might actually try meditation some time ... do ya some good!



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Anthra
Do you find it odd that your species lives for thousands upon thousands of years, yet you are showing aging typical of humans..from the wrinkles, the hair issue, the slowdown of the brain functions, etc etc etc..along with a sudden stagnation of growth in your teens...

How do you account for this?

Disregard if you are currently 8' tall and look barely 20 years old of course..but do a quick comparison between a pic of you as a teen/early 20s and now before answering.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Anthra
Do you find it odd that your species lives for thousands upon thousands of years, yet you are showing aging typical of humans..from the wrinkles, the hair issue, the slowdown of the brain functions, etc etc etc..along with a sudden stagnation of growth in your teens...

How do you account for this?

Disregard if you are currently 8' tall and look barely 20 years old of course..but do a quick comparison between a pic of you as a teen/early 20s and now before answering.

Not really. While I do have a few wrinkles, I have no "hair issues", nor has there been any "slowdown" in any of my mental functions. As for the growth, as I understand it, I'm within the normal range for my age group.

When I was 20ish I looked more like an infant than a young adult.

Etharzi od Oma

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

AS HARD As I try to see the contradiction you claim, I cannot! It is almost as if you see something that isn't there.

Wow, so claiming that you expect to find something and then saying that it was unexpected is not a contradiction to you? I am not sure I could prove you a liar any more than you just have. Thank you!

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
Not really. While I do have a few wrinkles, I have no "hair issues",

Lucky you (bout the hair thing...no gray, no balding) but consider the wrinkles you show...if you are, say, 50 years old now, what will you look like when your 200.

Lets say you never get the smoking gun evidence one way or another and things remain gray...in like...oh, 10-20 years, if your body is showing clear signs of aging into elderly, would that be proof to you that this has been little more than a mental glitch? If you become 80 years old, white hair, looking like a prune, have all the joys and wonders of old age...would you still be saying you are a ET or would you pretty much abandon that and perhaps focus your legacy on just writing a sci-fi novel about your imagined existance and accept your frail human nature?

Ok I will U2U the address. Just for reference Ramen is about 8 years old when being used for species ID.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda


When I was 20ish I looked more like an infant than a young adult.

Etharzi od Oma

Somehow your Earth parents and pediatrician did not notice this? I would really love that to make some sense the next time you try and elaborate with new facts or details.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
reply to post by simranjits

 

Okay ....

I did a search on ysearch.org. With 16 markers there is no match, no haplogroup. There is a single match, R1b, when the number of markers is reduced to 10 and the marker variance is set to 2. Even more (a few) when the markers are set to 8.

All this is showing is that I was right, and if we start deleting data more matches show up. This, however, is not good data analysis. If we start down this road we will end up with a situation not unlike what was used to get the US into Iraq ... "lets only use some of the data, it will show what we want".

As I said, faulty data analysis. We can't pick and choose the data we use, if it is there and applicable, then it must be included, only then can we get a real view into truth.

Etharzi od Oma.

You have 13 markers matching for your 14 markers. Thats means when you key in 16, the 13 markers remains the same. Theres no requirement that you need to match exactly. But if you match on the 13 markers thats a good match already. That means YOU share a common ancestor with this individual about 20 odd generations ago. You have thousands of matches at 12 markers and below , which is very good and normal for r1b. To give you context , i only have 1 12 marker match, and i'm not alien.

So how can you be ET when you share common ancestors with humans. This alone says you don't have ET DNA!.

I am a regular on DNA forums , you might want to pose your questions there.
You may have other issues but you have definately human dna.

Originally posted by simranjits

You have 13 markers matching for your 14 markers. Thats means when you key in 16, the 13 markers remains the same. Theres no requirement that you need to match exactly. But if you match on the 13 markers thats a good match already. That means YOU share a common ancestor with this individual about 20 odd generations ago. You have thousands of matches at 12 markers and below , which is very good and normal for r1b. To give you context , i only have 1 12 marker match, and i'm not alien.

So how can you be ET when you share common ancestors with humans. This alone says you don't have ET DNA!.

I am a regular on DNA forums , you might want to pose your questions there.
You may have other issues but you have definately human dna.

I'm not sure what criteria you used to get those results, but they are vastly different than the results I obtained.

For instance, when I did a search I got NO matches, even loose ones, until I reduced the number of markers to 10, and then I got one, and even that required stretching the rules of biological mutation a fair bit. And of the matches at 8 markers there were multiple haplotypes (R1b, A, and others). Further, as I have already said, reducing the size of the data set virtually guaranties more matches, none of which may be relevant.

So far this exercise in DNA has not provided enough data to determine IF I am a Terrestrial Human, or simply "Human like".

Your analysis of the data would seem to jump to conclusions that aren't supported by biological science.

While your analysis may be worth considering, I must say that in 40+ years as a software engineer and 15 or so specifically in data analysis, it is my opinion that your conclusions are incorrect. But, we shall see when there is more data.

Etharzi od Oma

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And, if she gave birth to an infant boy, and was given an infant boy, she may not know that a switch was made. I never did ask her what she knew about me, though I have suspected she had some idea that I wasn't her's. This unfortunately is a question that can not be asked.

So you are a changeling*. I understand that you can't ask your earth mother anymore, but what would stop you from asking D'arna-Shat what happened to your earth mother's real baby?

*I'm not saying your parents were trolls, only that an infant of one species was switched with that of another.