DNA evidence of ET? part 2

About human to ape DNA testing:

From the WIKI

The alignable sequences within genomes of humans and chimpanzees differ by about 35 million single nucleotide substitutions. Additionally about 3% of the complete genomes differ by deletions, insertions and duplications.[9]

Since mutation rate is relatively constant, roughly one half of these changes occurred in the human lineage. Only a very tiny fraction of those fixed differences gave rise to the different phenotypes of humans and chimpanzees and finding those is a great challenge. The vast majority of the differences are neutral and do not affect the phenotype.[citation needed]

Molecular evolution may act in different ways, through protein evolution, gene loss, differential gene regulation and RNA evolution. All are thought to have played some part in human evolution.

Gene loss
Many different mutations can inactivate a gene, but few will change its function in a specific way. Inactivation mutations will therefore be readily available for selection to act on. Gene loss could thus be a common mechanism of evolutionary adaptation (the "less-is-more" hypothesis).[10]

80 genes were lost in the human lineage after separation from the last common ancestor with the chimpanzee. 36 of those were olfactory receptors. Genes involved in chemoreception and immune response are overrepresented.[11] Another study estimated that 86 genes had been lost.[12]

Hair keratin gene KRTHAP1
A gene for type I hair keratin was lost in the human lineage. Keratins are a major component of hairs. Humans still have nine functional type I hair keratin genes but the loss of that particular gene may have caused the thinning of human body hair. The gene loss occurred relatively recently in human evolution—less than 240,000 years ago.[13]

Myosin gene MYH16
Stedman et al. (2004) stated that the loss of the sarcomeric myosin gene MYH16 in the human lineage led to smaller masticatory muscles. They estimated that the mutation that led to the inactivation (a two base pair deletion) occurred 2.4 million years ago, predating the appearance of Homo ergaster/erectus in Africa. The period that followed was marked by a strong increase in cranial capacity, promoting speculation that the loss of the gene may have removed an evolutionary constraint on brain size in the genus Homo.[14]

Another estimate for the loss of the MYH16 gene is 5.3 million years ago, long before Homo appeared

AKA, its quite difficult to truely find the difference.

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Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
reply to post by DrJay1975

 

Raman Spectroscopy is used by law enforcement to determine blood's species origination at crimescenes. It won't tell us where your roots are, it will just tell us if you are a human, a dog, or a cat, or none of the above.

I still have one major question; can it tell the difference between a Human and a Chimpanzee? What does it say about very close analogs to Human?

Etharzi od Oma

Yes i's been used for differentiating between humans and chimps since 02. As far as a close analog to a human, it can' identify it if it's not in the daamatrix. So the answer would be "unknown sample". Bu if ALL is identified as human then it will show as such. If i's only a partial match that will show as well. Partial gets you points and we move to MTDNA. But your going to pop up as human or one of the other animals in the datamatrix or unknown.

reply to post by DrJay1975


Sounds good. Next questions...

What specific test do I need?
What does it typically cost?
Where in the Dallas, Tx area can I get such a test done?

I've been trying to find labratories that do this kind of testing, but, have not been able to find many. I've also talked to my local police, and they haven't even heard of such a technology. They usually leave most of their testing to a regional crime lab, and only collect evidence.

I've also talked with a biological Engineering tech from mother's ship. I'm told that this method can be very effective, depending on the maturity of the technology used. I'm presuming that Earth's version, while relatively immature, is still mature enough to vive good results. I'm also told that this technology still can't resolve gene differences in otherwise identical species. For instance two chemically identical but genetically different species.

I also got some informatin about a technique that I could only describe as a "sub-space" flavor of MRI. WHich while quite interesting, may be just out of reach with Earth's current technology.

ANyway, I've done some research on the Raman Technology, and while it seems a promising emerging technology, it does seem to have a way to go. Still, it is something I would like to try. though, seriously, I don't see it as giving anything better than more anomalies and questions.

Etharzi od Oma

Anthra: If proof came back of being a mundane human, would you post it?

Others: if tests came back showing Anthra was unidentifiable, would you take his claims seriously?

I know I would still have trouble believing a ET walks amongst us whom was unable to produce a laser gun, pocket sized warp drive machines, etc etc etc. I would like to believe of course, but my pre-programmed cynicism would have issues letting go of preconceptions. In saying that, whenever that part of my brain is challenged, its typically a joy to remove a former understanding.

I think skepticism and cynicism is a defensive measure overall, put in place when we were told the truth about santa, tooth fairys, etc...so hard to get past, but once removed, what filtered through as a truth gives a santa feel once again. I know my first "ghost" experiences had that effect, especially after years of trying to unsuccessfully dismiss and debunk it.

Well, i'mma play devil's advocate for a moment. If your gonna drop this information on us like this, there has to reason right?

So what's the reason? Just to let us know your an alien? And you've got to know that the government knows what you now know up to this moment and more.

The ironic part is if Uncle Sam wanted to cover this up, it would be done and we wouldn't hear about it. But yet, here it stands...

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Anthra: If proof came back of being a mundane human, would you post it?

Others: if tests came back showing Anthra was unidentifiable, would you take his claims seriously?

I know I would still have trouble believing a ET walks amongst us whom was unable to produce a laser gun, pocket sized warp drive machines, etc etc etc. I would like to believe of course, but my pre-programmed cynicism would have issues letting go of preconceptions. In saying that, whenever that part of my brain is challenged, its typically a joy to remove a former understanding.

I think skepticism and cynicism is a defensive measure overall, put in place when we were told the truth about santa, tooth fairys, etc...so hard to get past, but once removed, what filtered through as a truth gives a santa feel once again. I know my first "ghost" experiences had that effect, especially after years of trying to unsuccessfully dismiss and debunk it.

Yes, I would post it.

But, you need to understand that just like you own skepticiam and cynicism, the ideas would die hard. And, I may need more evidence. But, nothing difficult is gained without tenacity, and nothing truly worthwhile is easy. I also feel that "proving" I'm ET is far more important to Earth than it is to me. For Earth it could mean disclosure and kind of liberty that has been unknown since the beginnings of Terean society, for me it is only the ability to no longer "hide" amongst you.

I had a psychologist once try to convince me that my standing on the deck of mother's starship was a dream. He explained the difference between dream "memories" and "real" memories. I almost bought it. Unfortunately for him, I had an experience wherein the "dreamlike" experience was simulated in the real world, in an environment where I could verify events and things said. It showed me that the psychologist was indeed wrong, and that the experience on mother's ship was much more likely that "he" would have liked or thought.

Etharzi od Oma.

Well, my googling fingers brought me here On the message in Liber AL vel Legis..

Take a look at "On the 'CHILD'." Anthra-Andromda, hmm... Are you aware of that page?

Originally posted by cenpuppie
Well, i'mma play devil's advocate for a moment. If your gonna drop this information on us like this, there has to reason right?

So what's the reason? Just to let us know your an alien? And you've got to know that the government knows what you now know up to this moment and more.

The ironic part is if Uncle Sam wanted to cover this up, it would be done and we wouldn't hear about it. But yet, here it stands...

Indeed, there is a reason, several of them. For now ... a means to get your governments to disclose the truth to you.

Yes, I'm sure the government knows what I do, and perhaps more. And IF uncle sam wanted this covered up, he'd have to remove me from the equation. Problem there is, he can't, not without pissing my Mother off. Uncle Sammy and TPTB don't want that ... they can't win against her.

There is also the notion that what I am doing is a part of the "natural" evolution of Earth in this "time space". That what I am doing is the natural and correct thing to do. That is something none of us can combat against. It is a sequence of events that will happen whether anyone likes it or not. There is no stopping it, no fighting it, nothing to be done except to ride it out and accept its consequence.

Etharzi od Oma

Originally posted by cenpuppie
Well, my googling fingers brought me here On the message in Liber AL vel Legis..

Take a look at "On the 'CHILD'." Anthra-Andromda, hmm... Are you aware of that page?

Yup! Aware of it ... though you could have gotten it from a better source, rather than a third party...but, what ever.

Your point?!?

In the several threads I been involved in we have hashed out my involvement with the teachings of Crowley and others over the past 40 or so years.

Etharzi od Oma

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
Yes, I would post it.

But, you need to understand that just like you own skepticiam and cynicism, the ideas would die hard. And, I may need more evidence. But, nothing difficult is gained without tenacity, and nothing truly worthwhile is easy. I also feel that "proving" I'm ET is far more important to Earth than it is to me. For Earth it could mean disclosure and kind of liberty that has been unknown since the beginnings of Terean society, for me it is only the ability to no longer "hide" amongst you.

I had a psychologist once try to convince me that my standing on the deck of mother's starship was a dream. He explained the difference between dream "memories" and "real" memories. I almost bought it. Unfortunately for him, I had an experience wherein the "dreamlike" experience was simulated in the real world, in an environment where I could verify events and things said. It showed me that the psychologist was indeed wrong, and that the experience on mother's ship was much more likely that "he" would have liked or thought.

Etharzi od Oma.

So you have been on mother's ship but you are still willing to accept the fact that you might just be human?

You were told you dreamed about mother but then got to simulate meeting her in the real world?

Any of that makes sense how again?

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
I had a psychologist once try to convince me that my standing on the deck of mother's starship was a dream. He explained the difference between dream "memories" and "real" memories. I almost bought it. Unfortunately for him, I had an experience wherein the "dreamlike" experience was simulated in the real world, in an environment where I could verify events and things said. It showed me that the psychologist was indeed wrong, and that the experience on mother's ship was much more likely that "he" would have liked or thought.

Etharzi od Oma.

I am not going to pretend to know what you meant there, except that you were almost convinced something was a dream.

ok, I went to Egypt a couple times. I stood in the Cairo museum and touched a carved statue thousands of years old. there was a rather humbling moment.

If a therapist today tried to tell me that was a dream, I would simply laugh..he could talk until the end of time using every arguement and never would it enter into my mind that it was a dream, because I have a firm understanding of what is and isn't real/a dream in regards to physical norms.

How could you have been entertaining the thought that it was a dream for you? That, to me, speaks volumes that there is a part of you that does accept it was a dream to begin with, and if that part exists, which part is the reality, the part that demands you stood on a space ship but have no proof for anything, or that you dreamed it all and there are other issues making it more "real" than it should be?

Sorry you didn't understand that ... now that I have a bit more time, I'll try to explain.

Part of the agreement Mother has with Earth's global government is that IF I am taken off-world and return, I can't remember any details of the trip (it is basicaly the same rule for anyone who goes off-world). The method of memory "control" is left up to mother. During that period she was using a drug that kept me in a sort of "waking dream state". It's a bit difficult to characterize, but it was not unlike a period while waking up after surgery. Since I was in this state the psychologist tried to convince me that it was all a dream. And, as I said I almost accepted it. Not long after I did have some surgery at a Human hospital, and while waking up I did experience events in a manner that was identical to those events on mother's ship.

There is no confusion or contradiction here Gunderson, just me not taking the time to fully explain.

Etharzi od Oma.

reply to post by AnthraAndromda


No point. It just that i recognized your "handle", heh.

Since you aren't human, then i suppose you can do some non-human things...or are you bound by the same laws of physics and nature as the rest of us? Why not have one of your peeps send a telepathic message to certain people in the government or me or some other people on ATS.

I'm not being sarcastic or anything, i'm just..intrigued. I can't speak for other people on this forum...but after witnessing something that defies logic with my own eyes (its involves the paranormal not ET)...then i read your story...heh i wouldn't be surprised, at all.

But i am kind of skeptical. Until you, your mother, or one of your peoples actually roleup on me, i will have this nagging doubt. Thanks to google, your either telling the truth or committed to one hell of lie.

When i lay down my head at night...i just don't know. Is that a good thing or bad thing? I've been lied to such much, it's impossible to tell who IS telling the truth.

reply to post by AnthraAndromda


Memory control/Time loss:
I used to have thoughts of abductions, that often I would be taken and then put back several hours later by aliens whom removed the memories. Waking up the next morning I remembered nothing about the events of the night before.

This was just me pondering...not a real occurance, however how would I know if it was real to begin with considering my memory was scrubbed of the events...and why was I pondering that randomly.

I put this down to hearing about loss of time from abduction cases when I was young. How is this not the same experience as yours? You are very hooked on the concept of aliens and such...therefore your bound to dream about them. Whenever I spend loads of hours working on something and then go to sleep, I will have dreams about what I was working on...and you would be the same I would assume...for example:

You mentioned you played WoW. No doubt you then burned the midnight oil playing the game...eventually you got tired and went to bed, but while in bed, you were still thinking about it, you started drifting off to sleep and started dreaming about it, but instead of being behind your computer, you were actually in the game and it was real. Upon waking, you might even remember some flashes of the dream. I am almost certain you have experienced this.

How is this any different? You study and discuss aliens, you go to bed, dreaming about aliens and instead of being a observer of a story, you actually become part of the story and awake remembering flashes...do you see the potential connection here?

Can you in all honesty say that what you experienced was fully true after pondering this, or is that also why you are pushing forward to find a proper DNA test also, to remove the conflicting views of reality?

Well we gotta remember something. Awhile ago someone tried to alert us to something shady that was going on that involved the CIA and a horse training camp and we didn't take that person seriously...and it panned out to be true. Let's be honest with ourselves...ATS is the perfect venue to drop the dime. We are more harsh than a government panel, require more proof than mathematicians coming out with a new theorem, and the trolls like to eat regularly.

We are all just about open minded as one can get seeing as how we ARE on here.

Truth is relative, we believe something only as far as we can fathom it. When something that comes along and tells us our truth is wrong, we lash out...tis only natural.

We all are looking for proof of extraterrestrial life. This person strongly believes that he/she (i don't know your gender and i'm not making assumptions) are so..going as far as getting an actually DNA testing AND setting up a website devoted strictly to it. Like i said earlier, either this person is committed heavily to this lie or is telling the truth.

The ironic part of this whole thing is that the truth is a hard pill to swallow...very hard. It would be like your parents telling you your adopted when you have every reason to believe and put truth into the opposite.

I'm willing to give this person the benefit of a doubt. IF i do choose to believe'em, it won't hurt. I won't get denied a job, loan, or get chased by the boogie man cuz i think someone on ATS is a extraterrestrial. I already got lamb blasted by my Calculus teacher because i don't think that Newton is the father of Calculus (sorry, too many other civilizations were tracking heavenly bodies AND the muslims were renown mathematicians and scientists...they gave us the scientific method) so believing something that ain't mainstream isn't knew to me.

So..my question to AnthraAndromda is now what? Let's make the assumption (uh-oh) that i believe ya, now what? ATS is looking at you...very closely i might add.

What brought you here? Why tell us that you are infact a special alien, what do you expect us to do? Storm the white house and demand the bigwigs to spill the beans? Start a illfated revolution or something?

I am closing with this and i want people to think critically. The major religions (Christianity and Islam) want us to believe in something we can't prove. No one alive today (normal run of the mill, getting old humans) can prove that either Jesus or Mohammad is real. Oh yea we got religious texts...but that speaks for itself. No painting, no statues, nothing physical that tells us they are real, but BILLIONS believe in it for their own personal reasons.

How hard is it to believe someone that is an alien, is willing to bring evidence to the table, and is willing to get a dialogue going? Do what i'm doing...grab some popcorn and let's ask questions! . If this person is lying, the truth will come out.

[edit on 18-3-2010 by cenpuppie]

Originally posted by cenpuppie
Well we gotta remember something. Awhile ago someone tried to alert us to something shady that was going on that involved the CIA and a horse training camp and we didn't take that person seriously...and it panned out to be true. Let's be honest with ourselves...ATS is the perfect venue to drop the dime. We are more harsh than a government panel, require more proof than mathematicians coming out with a new theorem, and the trolls like to eat regularly.

That story was not full of contradictions and pseudo-facts presented as 'I dunno, mom didn't tell me everything JEEZ!'

There was also the fact that there was something to be gained by getting the truth of that story out. So far I am still waiting for any evidence of anything to gain from the "truth" of this coming out.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
reply to post by AnthraAndromda

 

Memory control/Time loss:
I used to have thoughts of abductions, that often I would be taken and then put back several hours later by aliens whom removed the memories. Waking up the next morning I remembered nothing about the events of the night before.

Usually when ET's do this they drug/alter consciousness so that the subject can't remember or interact with them ... easier that way.

The difference between that and when Mother takes me to her ship is, she wants me interactive, thes the probability of memory is far greater.

This was just me pondering...not a real occurance, however how would I know if it was real to begin with considering my memory was scrubbed of the events...and why was I pondering that randomly.

I put this down to hearing about loss of time from abduction cases when I was young. How is this not the same experience as yours? You are very hooked on the concept of aliens and such...therefore your bound to dream about them. Whenever I spend loads of hours working on something and then go to sleep, I will have dreams about what I was working on...and you would be the same I would assume...for example:

You mentioned you played WoW. No doubt you then burned the midnight oil playing the game...eventually you got tired and went to bed, but while in bed, you were still thinking about it, you started drifting off to sleep and started dreaming about it, but instead of being behind your computer, you were actually in the game and it was real. Upon waking, you might even remember some flashes of the dream. I am almost certain you have experienced this.

How is this any different? You study and discuss aliens, you go to bed, dreaming about aliens and instead of being a observer of a story, you actually become part of the story and awake remembering flashes...do you see the potential connection here?

Yes I see what you are talking about. Here is how it was explained to me by the psychologise. When One is dreaming they have a kind of "tunnel vision" and are not aware of their environment, except that part they are interacting with. With a real memory you are aware of everything around you, even if it is not being interacted with or even visible.

And this is the difference between visits to Mother's ship and any WOW dreams I have. When visiting mother I am aware of everything, the color and texture of the floors and walls, the color and texture of her hair, skin, eyes, clothing. The same is true for other people who may enter my sphere. I can hear the low drone of the power systems, hear the air comming from the life support system. The talking of others who are going about their jobs. it is a complete dynamic environment.

When I have a dream, such as a World of Warcraft dream (one of my favorites by the way) NONE of that environmental richness is present. Sure I am aware of other party members for the most part, but I couldn't tell you how they were dressed or if the had Green, Blue, Purple,or Pink hair. I couldn't tell you how they were dressed or what weapons they were using. I'm not even sure I could "see" the weapon I was using. And, of course the "mouse" doesn't work (I sometimes wake up trying to move my "toon" and discover the mouse isn't working ... kind of frustrating)

But you see the difference? A real memory has the "richness" that a dream does not have.

Can you in all honesty say that what you experienced was fully true after pondering this, or is that also why you are pushing forward to find a proper DNA test also, to remove the conflicting views of reality?

Yes! The psychologist told me about the differences some 15+ years ago, and since then I have paid attention.

Etharzi od Oma.

Originally posted by evil incarnate

Originally posted by cenpuppie
Well we gotta remember something. Awhile ago someone tried to alert us to something shady that was going on that involved the CIA and a horse training camp and we didn't take that person seriously...and it panned out to be true. Let's be honest with ourselves...ATS is the perfect venue to drop the dime. We are more harsh than a government panel, require more proof than mathematicians coming out with a new theorem, and the trolls like to eat regularly.

That story was not full of contradictions and pseudo-facts presented as 'I dunno, mom didn't tell me everything JEEZ!'

JEEZ! INDEED!! And I suppose yours did? Tell you everything that is. You have not understoon what I've been saying. There are/were no contradictions except in the minds of those who do not wish to understand, there were/are no "psudo-facts" except in the minds of those who either cannot or will not understand truth.

There was also the fact that there was something to be gained by getting the truth of that story out. So far I am still waiting for any evidence of anything to gain from the "truth" of this coming out.

There is something to be gained here; YOUR FREEDOM! If you cannot see this, then you should just retire to some basement somewhere and live in your own fantasy.

By the way ... Mother does not tell me everything because those who are handed all the answers learn nothing. And, I do not listen to all the stuff she tells me because I want to learn it for myself. And thus attain true knowledge and one day, with enough experience, true wisdom.

Etharzi od Oma.

reply to post by cenpuppie


Well said!

So..my question to AnthraAndromda is now what? Let's make the assumption (uh-oh) that i believe ya, now what? ATS is looking at you...very closely i might add.

Good! For now thats about all I can expect. Though, I could hope to open some minds to the probability.

What brought you here? Why tell us that you are infact a special alien, what do you expect us to do? Storm the white house and demand the bigwigs to spill the beans? Start a illfated revolution or something?

No ... no storming the Whitehouse, that would just get you arrested. But, you can become a thorn in your Congressman's and Senator's side by writing lots of letters. Get them to support disclosure, make them aware of the UN efforts in this area, make them aware that they too are being lied to by corporate interests about UFO's and ET. Maybe do what Denver is trying to do and spearhead a disclosure commision, almost anything but sit back and do nothing. It's your world, take some responsibility!

How hard is it to believe someone that is an alien, is willing to bring evidence to the table, and is willing to get a dialogue going? Do what i'm doing...grab some popcorn and let's ask questions! . If this person is lying, the truth will come out.

And on that note I will tell you; I have not, and will not lie. I don't know everything, nor will I pretend to. But, I will tell you what I do know and understand. And if I don't know I'll tell you that too.

Etharzi od Oma

Originally posted by cenpuppie
I am closing with this and i want people to think critically.

ok...

The major religions (Christianity and Islam) want us to believe in something we can't prove.

Yes they do, but I am Agnostic...I see no evidence of their claims either

How hard is it to believe someone that is an alien,

Exceptionally difficult for a host of reasons...

is willing to bring evidence to the table, and is willing to get a dialogue going?

well great, once hard evidence is presented, I will nominate this guy for ambassador to the Andromeda galaxy...but until then, its just some guy claiming something fantastic...and the world is filled with people claiming they are aliens, demons, angels, elves, na'vi, wizards, witches, etc....if you simply start believing anyone with no evidence, your going to have a very difficult time in life finding truth.

Do what i'm doing...grab some popcorn and let's ask questions!

Actually, the questions outside of evidence is not the point of this particular thread...granted many of us have gone off subject here and there, but this thread is about evidence of Anthra being a alien, not his mission statement or his understandings of the galaxy. If he wished to make a thread like that, then such questions would be on topic. Until Anthra makes a thread like that (and he sort of has in some ways about the setup) then we are, as responsible ATSers, meant to stay on topic...the topic of this thread is as the title states.

[quoteIf this person is lying, the truth will come out. Its really hard to prove such claims...like it is impossible for you to prove I am not a angel.
I respect the guy for attempting to get evidence of his claims. I do hope that if what he states is true, that he does come up with that silver bullet that proves his words...and equally I hope that if he is not, that he accepts that and seeks proper therapy...maybe turn his creativity into becoming a science fiction writer, game developer, or something like that. Until such undisputable proof is given though, then us on the sidelines should remain open minded but neutral...it is actually dangerous to encourage delusional behavior and Anthra seems like a nice enough chap...dont want him to one day feel he let anyone down by not being a alien should the news come...alternatively, he is a clever chap also and if found out he is ET, he understands the need for evidence...else we would all be scientologists by this point.



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-aliens keep stealing my code

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