DNA evidence of ET? part 2

reply to post by SaturnFX


I've been trying to get to this since yesterday, sorry it took so long.

One clarification, you were not remembering, or considering? There is a difference.

a species advancement is not technological at all, but rather spiritual.

Interesting, coming from a person whom has little opinion about higher/lower dimensions as stated in other threads you have...what you speak of is spiritual enlightenment yet without any real spirit/dimensional understanding or belief. There are references of how you are a sort of priest also, but you are tied into the science and again, will point out the lack of care for alternate dimensions...what form of personal spirituality deals in no higher self/dimensional body?

Its not so much that I have little or no opinion about such things, but more that I don't speak of such things. I actually have rather strong beliefs on spiritual and metaphysical matters. Remember when I said I was a student of Western Ceremonial Magick? That system involves a deep study and ultimately a deep understanding of the Universe at all levels, most of it is spiritual. Though, in my understanding, not of dimensions, but rather "Planes" of existance.

My system is further augmented with what may be called "Enochian Magick and physics". In this the highest existing entity is the "I". Everything else that exists is the "NOT-I". There are some 30 "levels" of manifestation that exist around the "I". So there is a very strong concept of higher self and spiritual planes.

This whole system is far too complex go into with any hope of understanding here, and does in fact take years to gain a basic grasp.

moving on ...

How is it your galaxy is superpowerful, peaceful, and yet your home planet is dangerous (the heart of the andromedian race...if there was one place in the universe you would be safe...

And here we have the one question that mother will not answer. She blocks every attempt to gain knowledge in this area, though from time to time, if I try to look, I get glimpses of what she knows, but, alas, she becomes aware and puts up blocks. So what we have so far in this matter is really just my best guess.

She has, to a small degree confirmed the basic elements of this, but won't give much real substance. Personally, I would/could face any danger, even instant non-existance if I were but in her arms.. There seems to be some universal parent thing about protecting their children at their own expense. Parents don't seem to understand that children don't care, we just want "mommy" and "daddy" all else is irrelevant.

Finally you discuss your mother meeting the UN, partially to discuss having you released back to them...however, this makes little sense...why would they need to ask them to release you to go home...why not simply just pick you up?

Again, protocol. There is apparently some agreement with the Federation to provide some sort of assistance in the integration of Earth into the interstellar community, and, I am the lucky one who gets to be some sort of "tool" in these efforts (yeah ... lucky me!). And, when I put two and two together with all this 2012 BS, and realized that statistically there is a real danger, I didn't want to just leave Earth to face it alone. So I asked that we stay. Hence, the discussions, I just widh someone would outline what my real role is here, instead of letting me guess at it.

Etharzi od Oma.

reply to post by Beamish


You have to understand, when you actually have direct ET experience, interactions, communications, journeys on crafts, the "other explanation" is only something others entertain, because everyone has the right to freely chose. In a group witnessing a craft, even several sitings of crafts, some will see, one may be having ongoing telepathic communication and experiences with these people in this craft, and one may walk away saying, he imagined it, it was a group hypnosis.

We have freedom of choice, and so far, its been presented in this way, gradually, bringing awareness up.

When paradigm shifts occur, they're the moments you really can't get out of. When something is shown to you, and you know you don't have the option of slipping comfortably back into denial. Even if you know you wouldnt do that, having the door there as an option makes us feel better.

I've had a few experiences that gave leaps in understanding, but was a bit in shock from them, in other words, wasn't quite ready for the leap.

Looking for other explanations is a function of the human mind, so its what people hearing of others experiences do, but its not what the one experiencing ongoing ET interaction does. They are well past that stage.

[edit on 8-3-2010 by Unity_99]

reply to post by AnthraAndromda

Part of the problem is that I was shown the cards, then had them taken away ... so I can't use them. I said at the time that this would not work, I was told to try anyway. And, since I said I would, I am. It is part of an honor creed I have; If I say I'll do something, then I have to at least try.

So, if you have seen this “other” evidence, and had it taken from you, then why not just mention what it is?

Why else were you shown it if not to utilize its existence, to see what you’d actually do with it? Sure, we would be all over it like a rash because of the old “I had it but I don’t any more” gambit that we’ve seen so many times before – but anything even remotely different would lift your claims from the mire they are in right now.

A part of the reason that I'm only using sites like this right now is that it is like an experiment. To see if I and my evidence is ready for "prime time" ... I'm undecided on that right now.

Without doubt a little research would have told you that before you began posting. Perhaps that would have saved you all this aggravation…

And it must be very clear that you’re not ready for “prime time” yet. The MSM would chew you up and spit you out, laughing all the time. I cannot envision any strategy of disclosure advocating ridicule as part of its plan.

Part of the indecision stems from the fact that there are many who don't wish address the evidence I have. Thank you for being an exception by the way.

As I’ve said many times, I am willing to have my mind changed.

reply to post by Unity_99


The content of this post may be off-topic, but it is relevant to the thread.

I’m sorry Unity_99, but you’ve lost me in the context of your reply to my post where I was addressing descriptive terminology.

If you are, somewhat ambiguously, trying to explain AnthraAndromda’s intellectual reaction to his “alien-ness”, then can I suggest that your “experiences” may well not be applicable to his?

As you say

…everyone has the right to freely chose…

It may seem rather dismissive of me to have proposed that, but I feel I must, and I apologize to you here, as I question your expertise; you have mentioned on this thread about feeling a positive “energy” from written posts, that this “energy” allows for you to tell false from real (correct me if I’m wrong here).

This is where we deviate massively.

Your beliefs are yours to contemplate and follow, and that’s fine.

However, when you mention, and I quote:

An example of protocol for someone who had a real marker, energy reading from his posts, is smokingman's pleiaidans, who talked about planet x scenario…

then I know you are – albeit (and hopefully) unknowingly – undermining any credibility AnthraAndromda has worked to build up.

smokingman2006 was inconsistency and fantasy incarnate; he makes the claims on this thread look like the works of Arthur C. Clark. At least – and to his credit – AnthraAndromda is willing to go into the big wide world and try and accumulate solid evidence, and face the consequences thereof.

All smokingman2006 did was throw every conceivable X Files plot-line he could into his fairy-tale; remember the evidence given to him by his contact "Amizarac" that was stolen by “the government”; his meeting with “men in black” who warned him off? Finding a special amulet of protection in a Greek cave? Oh, and what about him meeting not only Zeus, but Jesus too.

And you believe he has this energy that tells you he actually did meet aliens?

Please, and with all due respect, give me a break.

Originally posted by Beamish
reply to post by AnthraAndromda

 

Part of the problem is that I was shown the cards, then had them taken away ... so I can't use them. I said at the time that this would not work, I was told to try anyway. And, since I said I would, I am. It is part of an honor creed I have; If I say I'll do something, then I have to at least try.

So, if you have seen this “other” evidence, and had it taken from you, then why not just mention what it is?

Why else were you shown it if not to utilize its existence, to see what you’d actually do with it? Sure, we would be all over it like a rash because of the old “I had it but I don’t any more” gambit that we’ve seen so many times before – but anything even remotely different would lift your claims from the mire they are in right now.

Some of it I have mentioned. Like the data my doctor has, he has actually shown some of it to me. Though, at present I can't have copies of any of those files, and unfortunately they either don't live on that network all the time, or are only on my doctor's computer.

If I told you about an extra chromosome, you would want some evidence, and, while I might be able to get that with better resources, for not is just so many words.

Or maybe some stories about the medical scanners on mother's ship, or how about the time a pilot let me "help land" an Andromd shuttle?

Then there are the occasional visits from Navy and Air Force officers.

Here's a good story. Back in the late 60's, when I was in the Air Force, I was stationed at a training base in California. After I had been there about a year they wanted to send me to Thailand, to an Air Base that reportedly got attacked on a regular masis by the Vietcong. Somehow, they "lost" my orders 4 times in a row. Not something that One forgets, nor explains eaisly since this is a statistically very rare event.

A part of the reason that I'm only using sites like this right now is that it is like an experiment. To see if I and my evidence is ready for "prime time" ... I'm undecided on that right now.

Without doubt a little research would have told you that before you began posting. Perhaps that would have saved you all this aggravation…

And it must be very clear that you’re not ready for “prime time” yet. The MSM would chew you up and spit you out, laughing all the time. I cannot envision any strategy of disclosure advocating ridicule as part of its plan.

Part of the indecision stems from the fact that there are many who don't wish address the evidence I have. Thank you for being an exception by the way.

As I’ve said many times, I am willing to have my mind changed.

I think this may depend on how One defines "prime time". In this case, certainly not the MSM, but there are other "venues".

Etharzi od Oma.


[edit on 10-3-2010 by AnthraAndromda]

Originally posted by Beamish
He’s been relaying it in part since the early 1990’s.

That totally backs up my point since all the things I have been pointing out are from February 18 2010. Less than a month old. So he has had 20 years to get it right and still cannot. Interesting.

[edit on 10-3-2010 by K J Gunderson]

If you were not defending him then I apologize as it got lost in the sudden "spontaneous" pile-on I got for my posts in this thread. Sorry for lumping you in like that, I got confused by being lumped on.

Originally posted by Beamish
Perhaps this is all about terminology. “Sick” does imply “ill”, but you have to admit that it can also be used as a slight.

Of course it can be used as a slight. Lots of things can be used as a slight though. I guess when you have girlfriend die from being sick and terminally ill nephew and a sickly mother...you tend to think of sick in more sympathetic, and I would submit more realistic manner. The word is defined pretty well in the dictionary and I am not in the habit of using words based on what they may mean in some slang somewhere. I hope that makes sense to you.

And I’m quite aware of my stance on this thread.

However, I’m also allowing for the possibility that my estimation of AnthraAndromda may, in some bizarre, unexpected way, be wrong. We all should, as no one is fully conversant with just how this phenomenon will eventually pan out.

I hear you and I understand what you are saying. Here is my issue with it. How many contradictions do you really want to sift through just hoping you might be having a problem understanding instead of realizing that he is simply telling more than one story? I let him get past quite a few before I decided I had had enough.

Like you said, you are entitled to blow those off and keep hoping he might end up being real and I am entitled to doubt and express that.

The thing is, I was told that I was wrong for expressing myself, even by you. You did not realize that sick is only derogatory after you have stripped it of its English definition and put some slang spin on it so you took the time to "correct" me on that. I guess when people keep telling me just what words I can use and what opinions I can express, it seems I have a little less right than the rest of you.

I am, as I’ve said before, basing everything he’s said and my reaction to it on previously acquired expectations of how alien contact will occur, and question him accordingly.

If that is how you want to go about it, go for it. I chose to go a different way. I never had any expectations except for the story to not negate itself. It already has.

As yet, he hasn’t managed to alter my mind (and if I thought him somehow “sick”, I wouldn’t be talking to him in the first place).

You would notice that I called hims sick among my last correspondence, not my first so there was no point to say that. This gives me a little insight though. If someone is sick, you will just not bother with them? Perhaps your disdain for people who suffer illness is why you thought I meant it as an insult. Actually, I have a little more compassion for sick people than that. If I were to just ignore the sick, I would be a very lonely person.


Keep up what you are doing and I promise to continue not to tell you how to do it. See if you and Saturn and the rest can try that, ok?

reply to post by AnthraAndromda


As to alternative evidence:

Like the data my doctor has…If I told you about an extra chromosome…stories about the medical scanners on mother's ship, or how about the time a pilot let me "help land" an Andromd shuttle…the occasional visits from Navy and Air Force officers…

I recently read another thread here on ATS about a visual sighting of a UFO. It was the usual thing; night time, no sound, bright light etc.

One poster made a remark that at first seemed flippant, but which, in retrospect, was highly logical; he noted that the thread was pointless.

Why?

As an addition to the catalog of sightings, it was just another entry. But it did absolutely nothing to further our understanding of, or reasoning behind the phenomenon as it was, by its nature, completely unverifiable.

Whilst your descriptions I have quoted above may well be real (even just to you), the use of them here as a means to further your cause is pointless.

Words can be manipulated – willingly or not - by so many causes.

reply to post by K J Gunderson

If you were not defending him then I apologize as it got lost in the sudden "spontaneous" pile-on I got for my posts in this thread. Sorry for lumping you in like that, I got confused by being lumped on.

Not a problem. These things happen.

I guess when you have girlfriend die from being sick and terminally ill nephew and a sickly mother...you tend to think of sick in more sympathetic, and I would submit more realistic manner. The word is defined pretty well in the dictionary and I am not in the habit of using words based on what they may mean in some slang somewhere. I hope that makes sense to you.

Now that we have conformation of your terminology regarding AnthraAndromda, even if I may not have agreed at the time, it makes perfect sense.

How many contradictions do you really want to sift through just hoping you might be having a problem understanding instead of realizing that he is simply telling more than one story? I let him get past quite a few before I decided I had had enough.

I think you misunderstood me. I have no problem understanding AnthraAndromda; as I’ve already said, I am evaluating his claims by comparing them to my own comprehension of the UFO phenomenon. What I am doing is listening to anything further he chooses to offer. This is not because I am, as you suggested:

…keep hoping he might end up being real…

I am allowing for the possibility of my comprehension of the subject to be flawed. If I thought I knew it all then I would be an interminable boor. I don’t and I’m willing to learn, and because of that I’m willing to allow for the possibility that AnthraAndromda could be telling the truth, but that he’s relating a truth under the pressure of having to live a life that makes little sense, even to him.

In other words, I’m agreeing to permit him what could be memory flaws, rather than see them as purely lies. Does that make sense?

The thing is, I was told that I was wrong for expressing myself, even by you. You did not realize that sick is only derogatory after you have stripped it of its English definition and put some slang spin on it so you took the time to "correct" me on that.

And I hope we have addressed that to your satisfaction.

I guess when people keep telling me just what words I can use and what opinions I can express, it seems I have a little less right than the rest of you.

Absolutely not! Anyone has a right to be here! I welcome your posts. You’re a proper little pitbull!

If that is how you want to go about it, go for it. I chose to go a different way. I never had any expectations except for the story to not negate itself. It already has.

Here, on this thread, we differ in approach, unfortunately. This does not mean that I haven’t tackled other ATS member’s threads with nothing but an expectation of them being liars. See my above reply to Unity_99, and her comments about smokingman2006 and maybe read some of his biggest thread.

This gives me a little insight though. If someone is sick, you will just not bother with them? Perhaps your disdain for people who suffer illness is why you thought I meant it as an insult.

I won’t pursue someone who is obviously “sick” – and in that sense we are, I’m assuming, talking about noticeable psychological delusion – as I simply do not consider myself qualified to deal with them on a one-to-one basis. I’d be terrified of doing more harm than good.

And as to your use of “disdain”, and my apparent contempt of “sick” people; I’ll let that slide…We don’t want another discussion about terminology and its possible misuse, do we!

Keep up what you are doing and I promise to continue not to tell you how to do it. See if you and Saturn and the rest can try that, ok?

Deal.

reply to post by Beamish


Deal, and I get what you are saying in regard to why you are taking the time to be here as opposed to me. I did not come here or stick around because I was expecting him to be a liar. Honestly, I was hoping that either I was missing something or that he was just mistyping often. I was giving him a fair shake to begin with because I was genuinely interested. The thing is that he failed to address one of my questions directly and continued to contradict himself.

I applaud your approach and even saturn's. When it comes to dealing with Anthra, I was very interested in all posts aside from unity's but that is another story. I am just saying that I was simply looking at him in the context of his own words within this thread and that is it.

Good luck to you in your pursuit and I apologize for coming across with any misconceptions about your intent towards me here.

reply to post by K J Gunderson


Starred your post.

We're all in this together, this pursuit of the truth, that inlcudes you, me and AnthraAndromda.

Originally posted by Beamish
I won’t pursue someone who is obviously “sick” – and in that sense we are, I’m assuming, talking about noticeable psychological delusion – as I simply do not consider myself qualified to deal with them on a one-to-one basis. I’d be terrified of doing more harm than good.

And as to your use of “disdain”, and my apparent contempt of “sick” people; I’ll let that slide…We don’t want another discussion about terminology and its possible misuse, do we!

Touche but I was kind of joking with you there. You said you would not bother with anyone sick so I decided to just take that as literally as I could. I get what you are saying and completely respect that. I just have to think that with the amount of mental illness in the world, there must be mentally ill people here on ATS. Since they do not wear a badge, I am sure that I interact with them all the time, to their benefit or not. I figured at least if I could figure out what was going on here, I would know exactly how to deal with this.

I have to admit, I am kind of a jerk and getting piled on for pointing out what I thought were obvious contradictions does tend to deplete my sympathy juice though.

Do not worry though. I am enjoying watching the same people that admonished me for what I was doing, do the same thing just more politely. If the poor boy is sick, then the person doing the most harm is the one humoring him the most. I am sure you know who that is though.

Originally posted by Beamish
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

Starred your post.

We're all in this together, this pursuit of the truth, that inlcudes you, me and AnthraAndromda.

That is not fair. I was starring your posts. Now they just cancel each other out. Damn you!

Seriously, I think people would be surprised at the stars I have handed out in this thread. Whether I agree or not, lots of nice posts have been made and it has been interesting enough to come back to. You are right because if it were not for you and the others, I am sure Anthra would not be talking to me and without him none of us would be talking about anything. I know I need all of you in order for anything I have bothered to say to even be worth anything. I just dont like all of you very much.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Everyone you say...everyone is questioning you...interesting..but dont worry, I wont point out the obvious here...

I personally am not questioning you questioning him, I am questioning your line of questioning to begin with and your focuspoint on something that, from what I read, is not inconsistant. I wont answer for him, but as you pointed out, he answered the question...and you kept questioning him about the answered question which you felt he became inconsistant...if he answered the question already, why would you keep asking the same question?

I seen this:
His species: Androms
His homeworld: unknown so far (nobody asked)
The race as a whole: Andromedans, or galactic ands

he has been fairly consistant on this actually (from what I read, but I might have overlooked something..sort of lost interest when the same question/answer kept going on...like watching a pong match)

See, this is my problem here. First of all, "everyone" was in context and if you want to take away context to attempt to make a point, you are being dishonest as well.

As far as consistent, you are missing the one huge hole that I was trying repeatedly to point out. Like you said, his race as a whole is referred to as "Andromedans." Makes perfect sense right? Except for the fact that when I originally referred to him as an "Adromedan" he corrected me and told me that was not what his people were called.

Let me know if you still think that is "consistent."

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
You need to back off a little and see the world for what it is.

Ooh, I know this answer

a dreamworld that enslaves the base instincts of the inhabitants while corrupting consciousness into little more than a droning consumerist sacrificial slave race...

ok, been watching a bit too much Tsarion as of late...stupid matrix.

[edit on 7-3-2010 by SaturnFX]

Or maybe this is what bothers me more. I guess you need a pretty avatar for the right to be sarcastic and snide. Oh, I am sure this was really meant just to be funny, right? I guess that is why it sucks so much that things are so open to interpretation. I take this as you being a jerk. I did not go out of my way to question your manner of dealing with anyone whether I find a post like this distastefully pointless or not. How about you learn not to tell other people how they should post too, ok?

Now, can we simply have a real discussion about the things being said or would you like to throw some more stones?

reply to post by K J Gunderson

As far as consistent, you are missing the one huge hole that I was trying repeatedly to point out. Like you said, his race as a whole is referred to as "Andromedans." Makes perfect sense right? Except for the fact that when I originally referred to him as an "Adromedan" he corrected me and told me that was not what his people were called.

Actually, K J, I didn't say that you were wrong in calling us Andromedans. I said that Mr. Collier was wrong in calling those that he is in contact with are Andromedans. That little fact slipped past me until I went back and looked. I suspect that most to all of your so-called contradictions are based on the same kind and degree of misunderstanding.

By the way ... you should read A. Crowley's comments on Truth.

Etharzi od Oma

reply to post by Beamish


Actually, its the energy of his contacts, the signature of them. They're real, that group.
P.S. talking about smoknigman here.

Anthra's case is also very compelling to me, and I've already listed the reasons. Don't think his group is out of touch with other contacts I've shared, nor my friend. The information is similar, there are different understandings of ascension. And the height always blows me away. The phasing down the vizer put L'Arna at under roof height, I thought roughly a foot. So he appeared to be in the 7 foot range in uniform.

But there is a whole phazing element that means our very perception can possibly be altered. The other, though related group, was 8 feet for the male roughly. This is very tall to humans, and was surprised at how difficult it is to adjust to. Anthra mentions 12 feet. Phazing though means that they can operate as if multidimensional while somehow still within our 3d, but manipulating it, and our perception. They may be able to alter a sense of height and perception with it as well. Like I said, 7 is not too hard, but the 8 foot is unnerving kind of.

Switching to the dna topic, it certainly isnt the kind of results one would expect either from the tests, its certainly not his genotype, nor relates to his parent figures at all either. Strong anomalies.


[edit on 10-3-2010 by Unity_99]

reply to post by Unity_99


This is, again, off-topic, but relevant to this thread.

Actually, its the energy of his contacts, the signature of them.

He had no contact with any alien visitors – and if he did, as you suggest, then please provide anything tangible other than these fanciful energy signatures that will at least provide compelling but circumstantial evidence (and if you do, you’d be doing better than him).

smokingman2006’s story – and that’s what it was – came about, I fully believe, because of his discovery of the whole UFO field and finding within it a platform upon which to either yank our chains, or an arena on which he could create a scenario that would explain – to him – a breakdown in his family life. Personally, I think it was a combination of the two.

They're real, that group.

No they’re not. They were a fantasy based on the contactee cults of the 50’s and 60’s and Billy Meier.

P.S. talking about smoknigman here.

Yup. Fully conversant with who you are talking about.

AnthraAndromda is uniquely different to smokingman2006 in many ways, and if I were asked to reduce that to a single example, I would suggest his tenacity.

At least the OP of this thread is willing to go out and try and get solid evidence, whereas smokingman2006 simply threw non-existent “evidence” around as if it were confetti.

I wonder what energy you are getting from me, by the way?

AnthraAndromda, a question if I may.

When Unity_99 says this of your contacts:

Anthra's case is also very compelling to me, and I've already listed the reasons. Don't think his group is out of touch with other contacts I've shared, nor my friend. The information is similar, there are different understandings of ascension.

how does her "understanding" actually relate to your experience?

Originally posted by Beamish
AnthraAndromda, a question if I may.

When Unity_99 says this of your contacts:

Anthra's case is also very compelling to me, and I've already listed the reasons. Don't think his group is out of touch with other contacts I've shared, nor my friend. The information is similar, there are different understandings of ascension.

how does her "understanding" actually relate to your experience?

Not sure I properly understand the question, but, I'll try to render an answer.

When Unity speaks of "energy signitures" I think she is referring to a "sort of" general feeling One can get when communicating with others telepathically. This feeling is bloody difficult to explain, as it isn't really anything physical, nor is it strictly "mental", and it has a component of transendance to it. It is something that One can learn to rely upon when communicating to others, and it tends to work when the other party is both physically absent and present. I want to say that it is a psychic thing, but, that leaves too much to speculation.

In any case, Unity seems to have learned to use this "extra-sensory" ability as I and many others have. All I can say is that it is real, and can be reliable with practice.

As for the ascension ... Ascension is a process that ultimately leads a sentient being to exist as pure energy, and no longer require a physical form. Thus One's understanding of it will necessarily change the further into the process One gets. Humans are at the very beginning of this, many ETs are much more advanced as my people are. However, since most of these ETs, and my people, still require a physical form, our understanding of ascension is still evolving.

Now, that should be about as clear as Texas mud! If ya have questions, or want it clearer, please ask.

Etharzi od Oma.