DNA evidence of ET? part 2

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
the problem with that is that no matterhow they turn out, posting them almost anywhere will get them "debunked" within the hour. Which, I feel is rightly so. It is too easy to create the kinds of images to show virtually anything on nearly any PC.

Fair enough, I suppose you couldnt give the exact coords to look for those whom do have telescopes...and actually, thinking about it, why isnt there tons of amature astronomers all discussing the odd objects above dallas?

how important is it for people to believe you? clearly there is a degree of importance...do you have a specific number of people you wish to believe, or just sort of see how many believe just for the hell of it...aka, is there a actual point to jumping through these hoops and whatnot?

Can you do "magic"? aka, anything of unique value that the average human cannot readily do...such as jump superhigh or anything that could be proven unique in its own right given you have, in your opinion anyhow, different DNA (A chimp is very similar to humans, but that difference gives it tremendous body strength...)

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
Also, if your people gave the Greeks the word Andromeda, why did they name a fairly minor character in their mythology after your people. You'd think if they encountered a clearly superior race they would at least name a major deity after it. Yet, they chose a woman who needs saving. That doesn't seem right. Also, Andromeda is the Latinized form of the Greek Andromédē. So, if your people gave the word to the Greeks, why is it not used in that form until the Romans come to power?

Andromeda is the Latinized form of the Greek Andromede.
One etymological meaning of Andromeda's name is "ruler of men" (from 'andro' "man" + 'media' "ruler"). Another etymological meaning given for the name is "to think of a man, thinker of men", fron 'andro' "man" and 'medea', a form of the Greek word meaning "to think" or "meditate". In Greek mythology, Andromeda, the daughter of King Cepheus and Queen Cassiopeia of Ethiopia, was chained to a rock to be eaten by a sea monster Cetus, and was saved by Perseus, whom she later married. Andromeda is also a constellation in which the Andromeda Galaxy is located.


I think Ruler of men is a pretty lofty title frankly.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
I think Ruler of men is a pretty lofty title frankly.

Sounds exactly like what this prevaricating little annoyance is all about.

I am Anthra-Andromda of the Clan Kabuklm; the two year old
child of D'Arna-Shat and Neva-con, the current monarchs of
the Great Andromedan Empire. I am the Crown Prince of that
Empire, and the Prince-Priest of the premier Esoteric Order
in the Galaxy. (Rather grandiose don't ya think?)

Speaking of lofty, lol!

Unity can find that quote here just in case he needs context for that.

I would really like to hear an explanation as to how his people came here and gave the Greeks a name that was actually made up of words that had evolved into the language naturally with other definitions separately. I would think if my alien mom showed up to convince me I was alien and she called herself a human word, I would want to know a little more about it. Maybe that is just me.

It seems a bit odd to me that a prince of his own people would be on Earth for 62 years and not even learn to write the English language properly. I find it doubly interesting that the only person he can convince on this thread is one other person who has the same spelling and grammar affliction as himself. Perhaps this is just a coincidence but it sure does not fit for someone of such high stature and evolutionary advancement.

Some would imagine they are the same person or at least dropped out of the same elementary school at about 3rd grade. Looking at their post history says something as well but hey, I will let Anthra attempt to explain all of this. Like evil incarnate, I would hate to make more than one point at a time just to have Anthra ignore all of them again.

[edit on 6-3-2010 by K J Gunderson]

reply to post by AnthraAndromda

Anyway, you are right, I'm not global…Before I started this fools errand, I told the Federation people…that I did not have the resources to reach out to all humans. I told them that if this is going to work that I did indeed need to reach almost everyone, and that I couldn't do that without the help of major media. They didn't seem to care, and told me to do what I could ... so I am.

AnthraAndromda, you have to carefully consider why you are trying to convince others about your claims with only the aid of circumstantial and anecdotal evidence.

That you have allegedly had direct interaction and exposure to your “species’” history, technology, intentions, actions and location in Earth orbit should denote, logically, that would have something more compelling and substantial than the meager offerings you present here. It’s like you’ve been dealt a hand in a game of Texas Hold ‘Em and told to play then suddenly realize you’re a few cards short. It’s not fair, is it?

It’s not only unfair, it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever and you need to reflect on why that is.

You don't like hearing "protocol, protocol, protocol", and I hate having to brint it up…In my view, if one outside force interferes, then it should be "open season". I feel that if the Federation were to begin open contact, it would only benefit the people of Earth.

As to what would happen to the social/religio/political structure of the planet when contact happens is a whole other discussion. What is relevant here is that if you are telling the truth, then you are instigating disclosure.

And to be honest, it’s a damp squib.

You have at best six to eight people actually engaging you on ATS (and most of them belligerently); if you’re conducting the same conversation on, say, five other sites and – being generous – ten people are contributing, then you are disclosing to less than sixty people out of 6.6 billion.

And, because of that, once again you need to reflect on why that is.

Technically, not "hearsay", it is a first hand account.

That it may be, but it is inadmissible because it is unrecorded independently.

Based on the ways that advanced technology becomes public on your world, I think it is fairly safe to say that the "Black Ops" types have some of this in a fairly developed state. Also based on leaked reports of such technologies, I think we can begin to presume that some actual machines may exist.

Sorry, but you have to agree that’s supposition. I agree that the military do withhold technology, but until we see that giant triangular ship float out of a hangar in front of the world’s press, then all we can do is speculate.
And considering you have said that we do have this tech, and have used it to reach the stars, why “presume” that the tech exists?

Thank you for a wee bit of reason ... it is refreshing

Not a problem.

I’m not here seeking any form of victory.

I’m just a form of balance.

We’d have the same conversation sitting on your porch drinking beer, believe me.

reply to post by K J Gunderson

Not sure I understand. He is purposely reporting something that is obviously false and he is presenting this falsehood as fact. That is a lie where I come from. If he is simply mistaken, he can admit that. I am certain he will not. Unshakable conviction can be wrapped around the truth or a lie. When it is something that is known to be false, it is a lie. Maybe I missed your point though as I am certain you are a smart cookie.

In my opinion, there are several factors we have to be aware of here on AnthraAndromda’s threads;

He is convinced about his claims

He has been doing this for a long time

He is far from unintelligent

Something triggered the whole thing.

Point by point: the OP is not technically lying; he is not giggling behind his monitor at our responses, neither is he fervently trying to find bigger and better descriptions of his “people”. AnthraAndromda’s claims are – for him - a reality in their own right.

How would you feel if someone declared that your history – memories, influences, emotions etc., were false?

Yes, you’d have a massive amount of hard evidence to back it up – and he’s attempted to do the same – but, and this is most important, how would you prove memories? You can’t.

Time equals practice, and the OP has been sticking to his story for decades – decades. If that doesn’t suggest not only conviction but unrelenting dedication, then I don’t know what does. It seems he has not gained a penny from his claims, yet, he still pursues them. Would someone who is deliberately lying have the endurance to do that, or isn’t it more likely he is absolutely confident, for whatever reason?

We know that he has worked in a highly technical field, has taken the time to study and comprehend a philosophical discipline, and can hold his own in conversation (even with the inclusion of a few cognitive slip-ups).

This isn’t a bored scammer; this is a dedicated believer. And that makes him a totally different animal (‘scuse the pun).

And I feel that something triggered this pursuit of AnthraAndromda’s. What it is I can only speculate on privately.

I still believe it isn’t what he thinks it is, but am more than willing to be proven wrong.

And that’s the point; I am open-minded.

My contributions to this thread, I am not afraid to reveal, are based on a personal perception of reality and how that reality manifests. Whilst being a vocal proponent of the ETH, I still follow logic, rationality, and true skepticism as they’ve never let me down; AnthraAndromda’s claims go against my viewpoints, hence my being here.

Unfortunately, some of us need proof. If he were to provide something other than the “evidence” he has, which, in this horribly noisy community is sounding like just more white noise, then I would not only be willing to listen, I would also change my mind.

How many of his detractors can say the same?

Answer; we all should.

Originally posted by Beamish
We know that he has worked in a highly technical field, has taken the time to study and comprehend a philosophical discipline, and can hold his own in conversation (even with the inclusion of a few cognitive slip-ups).

Actually, I have to disagree. He contradicts himself so often that it seems like he is using ATS as a practice run to me. There are so many sentences that completely negate the corresponding one from the post before. I hardly find him practiced or well versed. I think that if he truly believed, he would have one convincing tale to tell. Instead his story meanders and changes like a soft ocean current. He is not very good at it if you ask me. I agree wit some of what you said but I do not believe he believes any of this. Most people with a solid delusion or a true story have no problem telling it. Look how many people keep asking him the same question over again because they keep getting different answer. Maybe it is just me but I usually see that kind of bad bad lying as someone who is just pulling your leg for whatever reason. I do not doubt that he is a sick person but I do doubt he believes this story himself.

Originally posted by evil incarnate

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
Yes ... specific species: Andromd
generic: Galactic Andromedan

Why is that so hard to grasp?

What is so hard to grasp? You have clearly stated that you are not Andromedan. You have stated that is incorrect to call you. Now it is a generic name? This would be a contradiction. I am pointing it out.

It is not an Achille' s heel. It is the name of our species; "Andromd".

I only point this out so that we can be differentiated fromAlex Collier's "Andromedans". Mr. Collier is wrong in calling those he mat be in contact with "Andromedans" since they are not from the Andromeda Galaxy, as we are.

as seen here

You said that "Andromedans" are something different hat Collier was talking about and that is not you because you are an "Andromd."

Care to clarify?

In simple terms ... Mr. Collier's "Andromedans" are all native species of the Milky Way Galaxy. My people are native to the Andromeda Galaxy.

The reason that I state that it is not correct to refer to us as "Andromedans" is to foster a distinction between Mr. Collier's "Andromedans" and real Andromedans (Galactic Andromedans).

There are 1000's of species in the Andromeda Galaxy, calling any one of us "Andromedan" should be correct, however if you are attempting to refer to a specific species within this group, then it would be more correct to use the species name ... in my case Andromd.

Etharzi od Oma

reply to post by K J Gunderson

Not sure I understand. He is purposely reporting something that is obviously false and he is presenting this falsehood as fact.

How is what I report "obviously" false?

You are starting to sound more and more like a psudo-skeptic who will not accept anything that is counter to what he beleives. Show me the "obvious" falsehood.

I'm still wondering about the Greek connection. We know where Ancient Greek comes from and we have enough evidence to know that most languages descended from one Proto Indo-European language. The word Andromeda fits with the rest of the Greek language and is in fact a combination of already existent words. So, I'm confused how your people gave the word to the Greeks.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
I'm still wondering about the Greek connection. We know where Ancient Greek comes from and we have enough evidence to know that most languages descended from one Proto Indo-European language. The word Andromeda fits with the rest of the Greek language and is in fact a combination of already existent words. So, I'm confused how your people gave the word to the Greeks.

I'm sorry that you are confused, but, I don't have an answer for you. I wasn't there. Its part of a story that I was told a few years ago when I asked the same thing of my mother. Perhaps, if we had a time machine, we could go back to ancient Greece and find out. But, alas, we don't.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
the problem with that is that no matterhow they turn out, posting them almost anywhere will get them "debunked" within the hour. Which, I feel is rightly so. It is too easy to create the kinds of images to show virtually anything on nearly any PC.

Fair enough, I suppose you couldnt give the exact coords to look for those whom do have telescopes...and actually, thinking about it, why isnt there tons of amature astronomers all discussing the odd objects above dallas?

Perhaps they have reported them, and the reports buried. Perhaps they don't recognize what they are seeing. Perhaps their equipment can't resolve them.

These ships, while of apparant large size, are a long way off (100,000km) and don't have any visible lights. They also have a rather dull grey finish that is designed to not be very visible in space.

how important is it for people to believe you? clearly there is a degree of importance...do you have a specific number of people you wish to believe, or just sort of see how many believe just for the hell of it...aka, is there a actual point to jumping through these hoops and whatnot?

At this point in time, I feel it is far more important for Humans to believe for their own sake. The acceptance of ET by the general population is important in overcoming the restrictions placed on disclosure by the non-interference policies some ETs have. Unfortunately I have no idea what the "magic number" might be. This is a task I was given by the federation, and, it may just be to see how many beleive.

A point to jumping through these hoops? Yes, at least for me, I would truly like to help the people make the right decisions regarding their future.

Can you do "magic"? aka, anything of unique value that the average human cannot readily do...such as jump superhigh or anything that could be proven unique in its own right given you have, in your opinion anyhow, different DNA (A chimp is very similar to humans, but that difference gives it tremendous body strength...)

I will have to leave the Magick questions unresolved for the time being. By the way, a Chimps DNA is about 96% identical to a Humans. When I learn this, I began to wonder just how Humans can use DNA the way they do. Sure, it's unique for each individual, even Chimps. But, modern DNA techniques I don't think could tell the difference between the two species. Which leads to the question; just because you found DNA at the crime scene, how do you know it was Human? If I was a criminal, I would "salt" my crime scenes with Chimp DNA, and let the authorities figure it out.

Etharzi od Oma

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda


How is what I report "obviously" false?

You are starting to sound more and more like a psudo-skeptic who will not accept anything that is counter to what he beleives. Show me the "obvious" falsehood.

Well how many times am I going to have to ask you the same question before you even begin to answer it? You keep whining that no one is pointing out your contradictions but I have laid two right at your feet you keep just ignoring them. How do you expect to be taken seriously when all you do is dodge the question when your BS is pointed out to you.

You clearly stated that your people are NOT Andromedans. You corrected me for calling you that and told me it was wrong. When I showed you that you yourself used that phrase first, you gave me some mumbo BS. You have not explained why you would first tell me it is NOT WHAT YOU ARE before telling me that it is.

You also keep dodging the very good question that 3 people have asked about the word and its origin. Stop dodging, start answering.

How is anything you report not false when all you do is weave and bob? You are the worst liar I have ever seen on ATS and I can claim to be psychic. Your time here is growing short.

I see no inconsistancies in the story overall...it is a very poorly put together story (sorry ops, your no stephen king), but thats almost beside the point.
Why is the story put together poorly?
well, a few options here:
1) he is making it up as he goes along
2) he is not a great storyteller to begin with
3) he didn't intend on getting into a full discussion about it but rather wanted to discuss the point...therefore only said the basics and now is backtracking and filling in the gaps which seems suspicious.
4) our current language allows for articulate discussion

Again, I see no real inconsistancies here and most of what people keep asking I find have been answered (albeit poorly and confusingly to the easily confused).

Let me tell you why I disbelieve this story as being little more than a story...quite simple, and it makes me sad to even bring it up because it may end the rather entertaining story to begin with.

I read the webpages, read several threads, and ultimately decided that there are two different people here...here is why:

Ath. Your very first thread discusses your disbelief that ETs are far more advanced than humans are currently. you even say this:

Given that Terrestrial science is now publishing methods and techniques for effective FTL (and knowing that this is probably way behind the actual curve), I'd think that perhaps many ET's are only 100 - 200 years ahead. Even those from other galaxies are likely on 400 - 500 years advanced from earth. But, thats only my guess.

Yet according to your story, you suggest that that your galaxy is approximately what...a million or two years more advanced than where we are today?

Next we will look at the non interference accord:
You state that the andromns are part of the Federation that you state will be part of the disclosure. You say however there is a non interference pact until such a disclosure happens...basically until the government comes clean, then nothing is happening...
You alternatively suggest however the following:

The Andromds have an active role in the current development of Earth and its people.

Active role in the development = interference...along with your ascertation that they had influence in at least ancient greece...

This is a inconsistancy within the structure of the story itself. Although it doesn't dismiss your particular role in the story, its hard to play on a stage when the floor caves in.

There are two storys here, one of a curious yet earth grounded man of science, and one of a writer of fiction.

Sorry Anthra, but either your just yanking everyones chain, or your very confused...but please dont let this stop you from continuing on...I find the whole thing very entertaining nonetheless....also, the first thread makes be understand that you do actually have a level head on your sholders and your just creating a myth for one purpose or another.

I am open to debate on all I write...and I suspect I know how you will approach answering these two subjects (because I kow how I would answer them for plausable explanations)

[edit on 6-3-2010 by SaturnFX]

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
I'm still wondering about the Greek connection. We know where Ancient Greek comes from and we have enough evidence to know that most languages descended from one Proto Indo-European language. The word Andromeda fits with the rest of the Greek language and is in fact a combination of already existent words. So, I'm confused how your people gave the word to the Greeks.

I'm sorry that you are confused, but, I don't have an answer for you. I wasn't there. Its part of a story that I was told a few years ago when I asked the same thing of my mother. Perhaps, if we had a time machine, we could go back to ancient Greece and find out. But, alas, we don't.

That is too bad. It is an obvious lie to anyone that knows anything about the history of language. You obviously do not know how languages evolve, how they are studied, and what we have on paper that can be proven. You are going to have to do better than that. What you are claiming is so completely absurd and outrageous that you are going to have to ask mother to explain to you how she happened to pick a word that already existed here and can be traced back far past the Greeks. Get that? We can trace the word to a point farther back than the Greeks. Ask mommy about that and see if she can help you. Tell her you look like a big stupid liar because of this and you want her to help out.
Or....come up with something a little better than "Thats what I was told."

Try. You do want people to believe your little BS fairy tale right? Start making it make some damn sense then.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
This is a task I was given by the federation, and, it may just be to see how many beleive.

Going to play along again...more fun this way.

As a man of science, would you be more concerned if people automatically believed you without any hard evidence?

How much evidence would you need to believe you were human? When taking that into consideration, how much evidence should it take, in your opinion, for someone to believe a ET from a different galaxy walks amongst them?

In pondering that, are you more aggravated at the people whom disbelieve you or the fact that mom isn't hovering over major cities to help you out here...

sort of like proclaming that you have a pegasus as a friend whom disappears everytime someone comes around...yet the pegasus wants you to tell people about him. I think after awhile, I would simply shoot said pegasus for giving such an impossible task...surely its just doing it for a laugh.

[edit on 6-3-2010 by SaturnFX]

reply to post by K J Gunderson

You also keep dodging the very good question that 3 people have asked about the word and its origin. Stop dodging, start answering.

I have answered that question, multiple times. You don't like the answer, either because it is beyond your understanding, or because, after all your talk, you don't want an answer. Well -- too bad. I've answered it, let us move on.

You have NO evidence that I have lied, so please drop that worn out BS.

By the way ... you're NOT psychic, not in the least.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

You also keep dodging the very good question that 3 people have asked about the word and its origin. Stop dodging, start answering.

I have answered that question, multiple times. You don't like the answer, either because it is beyond your understanding, or because, after all your talk, you don't want an answer. Well -- too bad. I've answered it, let us move on.

You have NO evidence that I have lied, so please drop that worn out BS.

By the way ... you're NOT psychic, not in the least.

If you have not lied then why are you avoiding my other question? You told me that you are NOT ANDROMEDAN. You CORRECTED ME for using that term and told me that it was wrong. Then I pointed out where you used it first. Then you told me it is the name of your people, not your species. Clear that up. Why did you tell me you were NOT called Andromedans before you told me that you were. At this point, one of those is a lie.

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
I'm still wondering about the Greek connection. We know where Ancient Greek comes from and we have enough evidence to know that most languages descended from one Proto Indo-European language. The word Andromeda fits with the rest of the Greek language and is in fact a combination of already existent words. So, I'm confused how your people gave the word to the Greeks.

I'm sorry that you are confused, but, I don't have an answer for you. I wasn't there. Its part of a story that I was told a few years ago when I asked the same thing of my mother. Perhaps, if we had a time machine, we could go back to ancient Greece and find out. But, alas, we don't.

That is too bad. It is an obvious lie to anyone that knows anything about the history of language. You obviously do not know how languages evolve, how they are studied, and what we have on paper that can be proven. You are going to have to do better than that. What you are claiming is so completely absurd and outrageous that you are going to have to ask mother to explain to you how she happened to pick a word that already existed here and can be traced back far past the Greeks. Get that? We can trace the word to a point farther back than the Greeks. Ask mommy about that and see if she can help you. Tell her you look like a big stupid liar because of this and you want her to help out.
Or....come up with something a little better than "Thats what I was told."

Try. You do want people to believe your little BS fairy tale right? Start making it make some damn sense then.

Rich ... real rich! And, you claim to be a psychic. Yet, you don't even know the fundamentals of telepathy. How is that?

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

You also keep dodging the very good question that 3 people have asked about the word and its origin. Stop dodging, start answering.

I have answered that question, multiple times. You don't like the answer, either because it is beyond your understanding, or because, after all your talk, you don't want an answer. Well -- too bad. I've answered it, let us move on.

You have NO evidence that I have lied, so please drop that worn out BS.

By the way ... you're NOT psychic, not in the least.

If you have not lied then why are you avoiding my other question? You told me that you are NOT ANDROMEDAN. You CORRECTED ME for using that term and told me that it was wrong. Then I pointed out where you used it first. Then you told me it is the name of your people, not your species. Clear that up. Why did you tell me you were NOT called Andromedans before you told me that you were. At this point, one of those is a lie.

I have already addressed that question. Why is it that you can not realize that?

How much are you being paid to disrupt this thread?

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

I have already addressed that question. Why is it that you can not realize that?

How much are you being paid to disrupt this thread?

You are going to have to link me to that answer then because all I have seen so far is tap dancing around it. If you have an answer as to why you claimed you are NOT ANDROMEDAN before claiming that you are, then you can link me to it.