Truther Movement Can't Be Stopped

Originally posted by ImAPepper
"We" were? Or are you attempting to speak French.. "oui"? The government said that there is footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon?

We as in US. I am sorry if you missed it. The footage is all over ATS. The footage was taken from a Pentagon camera so guess who had to release it before we could see it?

I think it is obvious there was not any video of President Lincoln's assassination. My point being...there is additional reliable evidence other than video to prove an event happened.

Then why are you having such a hard time coming up with that reliable evidence? Lincoln's dead body was a pretty good indication he was dead. We do not even have on body from a passenger, crew, or hijacker.

Originally posted by Lillydale


We as in US. I am sorry if you missed it. The footage is all over ATS. The footage was taken from a Pentagon camera so guess who had to release it before we could see it?

Are you talking about the security gate camera? It shows something hitting the Pentagon and causing quite an explosion. IMO... it's inconclusive as to what is hitting the Pentagon.....but....

-snip-.......there is additional reliable evidence other than video to prove an event happened.

Originally posted by Lillydale
Then why are you having such a hard time coming up with that reliable evidence? Lincoln's dead body was a pretty good indication he was dead. We do not even have on body from a passenger, crew, or hijacker.

Did you see Lincoln's dead body? Do you have independent verifiable witnesses?

Passengers, Crew, and hijackers WERE in fact identified through DNA evidence. Personal belongings were found and returned to family members. I'm not the one having the hard time with evidence, you my friend are about to develop an extreme case of tennis elbow with all the hand waving you are doing.

Originally posted by Hmmm101

The other problem you have is.... That the Government has been involved in all sorts of cover ups and "Sketchy" Situations, and has always justified it with the Machiavellian(As most all politicians and government officals treat these situations this way) concept of, "The end justifies the means"

...but the problem YOU have...which actually trumps all your other objections...is a quote from Noam Chomsky, a man who can never be called a gov't stooge: the Bush administration could never have pulled off any such intricate conspiracy even if they wanted to, even if they needed to, simply becuase they [censored] up everything they touch.

The conspiracy theorists are trying to tell us that an administration so incompetent that it can't even hand out bottles of water to hurricane victims in New Orleans without slipping on banana peels, or out a CIA agent without hordes of journalist tracing it back to them, somehow pulled off the most insanely complex and gigantic conspiracy in recorded human history, involving tens of thousands of saboteurs, co-conspirators, and disinformation agents, all with the sheer perfection of a supernatural act, and without making a single mistake, leaving a microbe of evidence behind, or having insiders coming forward to spill the beans, which is exactly what happened during every *other* gov't conspiracy (I.E. Watergate, Iran-Contra).

Come, now, seriously, you'd have an easier time of convincing me that UFOs were landing in your back yard.

reply to post by GoodOlDave



I've been in the shadow's here a long time Dave, never speaking until really now..... Cause I was not thoroughly convinced...




The sad fact of everything you stated there is...

10,000 of thousands of people could have been DOING THERE JOBS, and helped 9/11 happened.

I know you are Familiar with the term "Compartmentalization"

To tell you the Truth...

There hasn't been a single narrative here that, didn't involve the a CIA Director and Former President, who spent his life growing up in the Intelligence ranks before getting into politics, a person who knows how the system is ran by running it himself, most of the real government.
(And got Rich off this)

Foreign Government Involvement....

I can go all day honestly... And there enlies the problem...

Your complete and only retort is this plan is Inconceivable because it involves so many people, despite the hundreds of "Coincidences" that happened on that day..

That logic makes about as much sense as Laser beams blowing up the WTC






[edit on 8-2-2010 by Hmmm101]

Originally posted by Hmmm101


That logic makes about as much sense as Laser beams blowing up the WTC

or Nano-Thermite

or Thermite

or Thermate

or thousands of pre planted bombs

or power downs

or flyovers

or shoot downs

or stand downs

or Pulling it

or Alive hijackers

or Missiles

I can go on all day!

reply to post by ImAPepper


Your link to my hero doesn't work And seeing that it doesn't

And

Did I say any of that ?






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reply to post by REMISNE


How is it that the government is amazing at conducting conspiracies, but horrible at everything else? Healthcare, social security, welfare, our national debt, national security all leave something to be desired. Yet the government which is so incompetent when it comes to these things is able to cover up 9/11?

Or is that just more evidence, since clearly they just put social security on the road to insolvency to distract us from the real issues? Bill Clinton couldn't make Monica disappear but Bush can drug and brainwash thousands of eyewitnesses in New York?

Really guys?

reply to post by bob135


Why is it that I seem to be so much better at things that suit my interest than things that are purely altruistic in nature? Can you explain that? If so, you have a possible answer.

Originally posted by bob135
How is it that the government is amazing at conducting conspiracies, but horrible at everything else?

I look at the facts of what the governmnt has done throughout history.

Originally posted by REMISNE

Originally posted by bob135
How is it that the government is amazing at conducting conspiracies, but horrible at everything else?

I look at the facts of what the governmnt has done throughout history.

So its not the people in the government but the government itself that is innately evil? So no matter who is in government the evil will overcome them and cause them to participate in unfathomally complex conspiracies that have little or no effect? Does that mean then if an otherwise ethical person were to take a position in "government" they will automatically become predisposed to creating Rube Goldberg like machinations to achieve simple political ends? That's amazing. And I always thought people did have some moticum of free will. Well live and learn I guess.

Originally posted by hooper
So its not the people in the government but the government itself that is innately evil?

Don't you know that the government is not a person?

Originally posted by Hmmm101

The sad fact of everything you stated there is...

10,000 of thousands of people could have been DOING THERE JOBS, and helped 9/11 happened.

I know you are Familiar with the term "Compartmentalization"

The "compartmentalization" argument is intellectually bankrupt. The most successful compartmentalization effort in recorded history had been the Manhatten project, where tens of thousands of peopel worked on mysterous individual jobs that contributed to building an atomic bomb. Every single person, however, immediately understood what it was they were working on once the bomb had been dropped. They immediately understood those mysterious gauges they were watching were actually radiation levels, and they immediately understood those mysterious components they were machining out of weird metals were actually bomb parts.

Your conspiracy stories rely too heavly on the unrealistically cynical concept that people are all mindless robots who do their jobs with unthinking automation regardless of what they're asked to do, and this fantasia simply doesn't exist in the real world. For one thing, these secret demolitions agents would need to be thoroughly as stupid as a bag of hammers not to understand that sneaking in and planting secret controlled demolitions in an occupied building is going to get a hell of a lot of people killed, regardless of how successfully they were compartmentalized and kept in the dark as to the reason why.

Originally posted by REMISNE
I look at the facts of what the governmnt has done throughout history.

If you don't believe anythign else I tell you,l then at least believe this- the gov't employees who made treaties with the native American Indians only to break them five seconds later, or the gov't employees who provoked Panama to secede from Colombia to build the canal, had absolutely nothing to do with any 9/11 conspiracy, throughout history notwithstanding.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
If you don't believe anythign else I tell you,l then at least believe this- the gov't employees who made treaties with the native American Indians only to break them five seconds later, or the gov't employees who provoked Panama to secede from Colombia to build the canal, had absolutely nothing to do with any 9/11 conspiracy, throughout history notwithstanding.

Thanks for agreeing with me that the government can and has done bad things.

"The Government" has an institutional memory.Each Country has historically had personality attributed.Usually in the form of negative stereotyping.But there is a basis to most of these.It has been on my mind of late that the USA's hypervigilant posture(to the ridiculous,need examples?)is strongly that of one who fears RIGHTEOUS payback for what you've done.

This reason alone is enough to justify continued CIT into 9-11.Even if we don't win a conviction of so-and-so and all his underlings based on a real investigation,the other World citizens will never be able to say "Those Yanks!All bad!" or words to that effect.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by Hmmm101

The sad fact of everything you stated there is...

10,000 of thousands of people could have been DOING THERE JOBS, and helped 9/11 happened.

I know you are Familiar with the term "Compartmentalization"

The "compartmentalization" argument is intellectually bankrupt. The most successful compartmentalization effort in recorded history had been the Manhatten project, where tens of thousands of peopel worked on mysterous individual jobs that contributed to building an atomic bomb. Every single person, however, immediately understood what it was they were working on once the bomb had been dropped. They immediately understood those mysterious gauges they were watching were actually radiation levels, and they immediately understood those mysterious components they were machining out of weird metals were actually bomb parts.

Your conspiracy stories rely too heavly on the unrealistically cynical concept that people are all mindless robots who do their jobs with unthinking automation regardless of what they're asked to do, and this fantasia simply doesn't exist in the real world. For one thing, these secret demolitions agents would need to be thoroughly as stupid as a bag of hammers not to understand that sneaking in and planting secret controlled demolitions in an occupied building is going to get a hell of a lot of people killed, regardless of how successfully they were compartmentalized and kept in the dark as to the reason why.

So basically what you are saying is that it would have worked with everyone except the people planting the explosives. How many people do you think that would be and...do you really think they would be above offing them to silence them if they are willing to kill 3000 innocent people?

Can't be stopped from doing what?

Most people understand we were lied to.

Most people have busy lives trying to make something for there selves and loved ones.

Awareness is enough for most. I enjoy the chase for the truth, but there are many things to be learned and subsequently taught beyond 911.

I ask again, can't be stopped from doing what?

reply to post by infinityoreilly


From eventually finding the truth and if you are not interested in that because you are too busy with real life issues then why do you have enough time to sit down at a computer, come to a conspiracy site, and write to all of us about how you are too busy with real life to care? Just go take care of all that important stuff and leave us be then. Your post is as good as people who post in a thread to make fun of people posting...in that thread.

reply to post by Lillydale


You think that politicians are making conspiracies left and right, yet the social policies they make are "altruistic." Politicians have an interest in having the policies they make at least appear to succeed, yet so often they fail at this simple task. You'd think if we can fake a 9/11 by controlling the media, we could also cover up the quagmire in Iraq, the failure of no child left behind, the disaster that is the war on drugs, etc.

I think the biggest argument against conspiracy theories is that they assume the government is competent, when evidence is stacked to the contrary.

it amazes me that there are still Americans that believe the twin towers fell of there own accord or a few scorch marks from jet fuel! Im from NZ and it is plainly obvious that all 3 towers were demolished by professionals!
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR STEEL BEAMS AS THICK AS THE TWIN TOWERS WERE TO MELT! OR AS WAS SHOWN ON TV "CUT ON A 50 DEGREE ANGLE"....I MEAN FAR OUT ARE YOU BUSH BACKERS THAT DUMB?
USA please wake up! SILVERSTIEN MADE BILLIONS FROM THE COLLAPSE!
funny how he had just leased the wtc then insured it against bombs and other terrorist attacks ....then BAM!....