Truther Movement Can't Be Stopped

There remains probable cause to indict and charge top officials, George W. Bush himself, for the crimes we call '911'. And, last time I checked, there was no 'statute of limitation' on mass murder, war crimes [see: US Codes, Title 18, Section 2441] or high treason!

The evidence against Bush, Cheney and a gang of NEOCON crooks will prove in court that Bushco conspired to attack and invade Iraq for its oil! It will not help the defense that documents of Cheney's meeting of his 'Energy Task Force' survive and prove that the Cheney and 'big oil' literally carved up the oil fields of Iraq before Bush would have the pretext he needed to attack, invade, and loot oil!
Earlier this year a BBC Newsnight report claimed to have uncovered documents showing the Bush administration made plans to secure Iraqi oil even before the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the US. Based on its analysis of PSAs in seven countries, it said multinationals would seek rates of return on their investment from 42 to 162 per cent, far in excess of typical 12 per cent rates.

--American And British Oil Companies Ready To Carve Up Iraqi Oil Fields
As Hitler needed a Reichstag Fire, Bushco needed a pretext --a 'catalyzing event' that the Project for the New American Century would compare to Pearl Harbor.

Bush conspired with 'rich men' --his elite base --in order to perpetrate the capital crimes of aggressive war, mass murder and high treason!
On this eighth anniversary of the tragic events of 9/11. the movement of concerned citizens who do not believe the U.S. government’s official explanation of those events (the clear majority in poll after poll after poll) only continues to grow, emboldened by breathrough after breakthrough in their efforts to bring the glaring inaccuracies of that official explanation to the attention of the general public.

Perhaps no greater sign of the success of the 9/11 Truth movement can be found than the fact that the discredited corporate media has begun another round of ferocious and transparent hit pieces designed to sling mud at those seeking real answers to the still-unanswered questions of the victims’ family members and real justice for the first responders who are dying as a direct result of government lies. From Psychology Todays ridiculous hit piece insisting that skepticism about government explanations is a form of insanity to National Geographic firing explosives into a fiberglass chicken coop, it seems that the corporate media is becoming more and more desperate (and even downright comical) in their attempts to stop people from questioning the very 9/11 commission that has been called a fraud by six of its own commissioners.

Most of these attacks on 9/11 end up focusing not on the evidence itself, but on one inevitable question: “Why do ‘conspiracy theorists’ believe what they believe?” Of course, this question is coming from the self-same media conglomerates who speak in unanimity against 9/11 Truth and then wonder why newspapers are going the way of the dodo and people are turning off the TV in droves, so we can assume the question is either disingenous or that the corporate media bigwigs are, shall we say, intellectually challenged.


--James Corbett, The Corbett Report
The biggest hole in the official theories is the fact that there is absolutely no forensic evidence supporting the Bush conspiracy theory. Certainly --no airliner wreckage was recovered in New York and the surviving steel was ordered destroyed by Bush but not before traces of thermate were recovered and subsequently tested, analyzed and confirmed. The presence of thermate is very nearly the smoking gun. Without thermate, the steel girders of WTC would never have weakened, collapsed or melted as they were, in fact, photographed.

WTC 7 is another fatal flaw, a nail in the Bushco coffin. WTC 7 was not struck by any airliner of any size. It was seen standing behind a BBC correspondent even as she reported its collapse. Clearly --she had gotten the official 'release' but screwed up by reporting this planned event before it, in fact, occurred. The fall of WTC 7, never struck by airliners, is a classic example of a controlled demolition.

At the Pentagon, only one engine rotor was found --not the two that would have survived to be recovered had an airliner struck the Pentagon. Moreover, the only rotor found was about one third the size of two rotors that would have been recovered had a 757 struck the Pentagon. There was no fuselage, no airliner wreckage! Unless the laws of the conservation of matter and energy have been repealed, a 757 weighing some 80 tons or more would have left behind just that much debris. Certainly, the small of amount of debris might have been carried off in wheelbarrows.

Desperate 'officialists' concede that no airliner fuselage was found. It 'vaporized', they 'explain'. Nonsense! The fuselage is of aluminum and according to every scientific, official or university source I have found, aluminum will not 'vaporize' at temperatures less than 11000 degrees F. According to NASA, 11000 degrees F is 1000 degrees hotter than the surface of the sun. So --you can rule that out!

Officialists also claim that DNA testing confirmed both passenger and 'hijacker' IDs. There are at least two things wrong with that assertion: 1) there are NO Arab names on the official autopsy report released to Dr. Olmsted in response to his FOIA; 2) if the fuselage vaporized as is claimed, then no DNA IDs would have been possible. DNA is often said to decompose when heated but, in fact, the effect is even worse: it literally melts. As heat is applied, bonds that join the two nucleotide strands may break.
The two molecules [nucleotides] are stabilized in this structure due to noncovalent bonds, mostly hydrogen bonds and vanderWaals forces. These bonds are not strong; accordingly, when the temperature rises sufficiently, the double helix is said to "melt" into its two component molecules, and will reassociate upon slow cooling under appropriate salt conditions. So, the issue is not decomposition so much as disassociation upon exposure to too high a temperature; and the reason for the disassociation is that the energy input of the heat overcomes the ability of the noncovalent bonds to keep the molecules together.

--US Energy Department, Molecular Biology Archive, DNA Decomposition
At the 11000 degrees F required to 'vaporize' the fuselage, I dare say no DNA would have survived, no DNA ids would have been possible at all. So --which is it? Did the fuselage vaporize or not? Were the DNA ids performed or not? The officialists simply cannot have it both ways.

The truth, however, explains everything. Lies explain nothing. The truth is: no airliner struck the Pentagon. The only 'official autopsy report' known to exist was released to Dr. Olmsted via his FOIA request. There were NO ARABS on the list!

Take the case of Flight 93. Saeed Alghamdi has been protesting his innocence of 911 since the event. If Saeed were guilty, he would be dead! If Saeed were guilty he would have been blown to smithereens over PA. A dead Saeed might be evidence of Bush's theory. Alive, he is living proof that Bush's official conspiracy theory is a pack of black hearted lies that have harmed the American people, the world and, most certainly, the cause of peace.



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Continued..

Bush is the primary suspect for several reasons:
Those who lie about crimes do so to cover up guilt. Bush has never told the truth about 911.
Bush has not merely lied; he has actively, consistently and deliberately tried to cover up the crime of 911 with overt and identifiable instances of obstruction of justice, lies, and overt intimidation. This --I believe --is persuasive evidence of his guilt and/or complicity.
Tim Roemer let the cat out of the bag when, like Donald Rumsfeld, he referred to a 'missile' that struck the Pentagon. And that, I believe, is the truth that Bush would cover up and lie about.

If Bush had been innocent of the crime, he would have ordered every scrap to be placed in evidence. Instead, he obstructed justice by ordering destroyed the evidence of mass murder an high treason. If Bush had been innocent, why would he have ordered the destruction of evidence that might have proved his innocence in court? Within months of WTC collapse, tons of metal from the collapsed towers were sold to scrap yards in New Jersey where it was then sold to recyclers in the US and overseas. As the recent discovery of thermate proves, every shred, every scrap of 911 metal was evidence which, if examined, might have explained the collapse or pointed an accusing, indicting finger! Perhaps it is that last fact that explains the haste with which this 'evidence' was destroyed.

If Bush were innocent, then why would he have ordered the destruction of evidence that might have exonerated him? The only answer is that Bush is not innocent and ordered the destruction of evidence that would, in fact, prove his guilt of the crimes of mass murder and high treason against the sovereign people of the United States, the Constitution, US Criminal Codes and every moral code known to mankind since leaving the caves and savannahs.

Let's get on with the trials. Let's bring the guilty bastards to justice! There is no future until the demons of the past are dealt with, resolved and put to rest. No future is promising that is built upon a foundation of lies, high treason and the mass murder of US citizens by its own government.


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I believe this speaks volumes about what we all are involved in and thought that many of you would like to read the words of Len Hart who wrote it. It isn't long but it cuts to the heart of what we believe in and know. One day the truth will be set free and it's wrath of freedom will rain down on those responsible for these tragic deeds they directed against America's innocent citizens. I believe it will be sooner than later and while there are some who do not want the truth to be released., they are the minority rather than the majority. Carry on my fellow soldiers, we have a mission to finish and we will get 'er done!

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There's really zero need to stop something that has never gotten out of the gate in the first place.

Oops, looks like truthers have broken their leg in the chute.

Face it, truthers are good for a laugh, and to make the rational among us feel better about ourselves, even though I DO feel guilty making fun of the challenged......

Can't be stopped?

I thought it was stopped when Popular Mechanics thoroughly debunked the whole thing?

Are you implying that the so-called "truthers" are delusional, and are impervious to the truth?

Originally posted by Joey Canoli
There's really zero need to stop something that has never gotten out of the gate in the first place.

Oops, looks like truthers have broken their leg in the chute.

Face it, truthers are good for a laugh, and to make the rational among us feel better about ourselves, even though I DO feel guilty making fun of the challenged......

Why are you attacking the person making the argument instead of explaining why they are incorrect? Do you believe things on 9/11 happened essentially way the FBI describes?

Maybe the truther movement are Al-Qaeda spies infiltrating the web and brainwashing conspiracists with nonsense in order to provoke more anger towards the US govt. and potentially recruit more agents & terrorists for their cause.

Originally posted by Carseller4
Can't be stopped?

I thought it was stopped when Popular Mechanics thoroughly debunked the whole thing?

Are you implying that the so-called "truthers" are delusional, and are impervious to the truth?

Popular Mechanics did a half-hearted job of debunking only a few of the "craziest" 9/11 accusations. They patently ignored the strongest points of evidence, most of which are covered in this posting. I'd recommend you look at them and if you think they are incorrect, explain why it is that they are incorrect.

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Well Canoli & Carseller its like this, while some may ridicule & poke fun one thing has to be remembered here:

At least someone is chasing the truth because your type and those you believe that developed the OS have been proven to be fabricators of nothing more than a wild hypothosis with its foundation based in lies & deciept for nothing more than the greed and will of those who place their own self worth over that of innocent lives. Call truthers what you want to but YOUR side of 911 has only embarrassed an entire nation in front of a world stage where those YOU defend are no better than the terrorists who hijacked those planes.



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I think you've done a good job of putting together some interesting material.

I have a problem with this:

James Corbett, The Corbett Report
The biggest hole in the official theories is the fact that there is absolutely no forensic evidence supporting the Bush conspiracy theory. Certainly --no airliner wreckage was recovered in New York and the surviving steel was ordered destroyed by Bush but not before traces of thermate were recovered and subsequently tested, analyzed and confirmed

No airliner wreckage was recovered in New York? Does James Corbett, of the Corbett Report believe that no airplanes hit the Twin Towers? For me, this takes conspiracy theory beyond the believeable. I still have questions, and read all I can about 9/11 ........ I don't know for certain if the Bush admin. was just negligant or if they were culpable in the event, but I can't subscribe to the "no plane" or NPT. There were just too many witnesses, videos, evidence.

I'm not an OS supporter, nor a "truther". I just want to know what happened. NPT has been thoroughly debunked IMO. John Lear hung his hat on NPT and I think that was a real mistake regarding his credibility.

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Personally speaking I think there's problems with both camps on the issue. Some are actually thought provioking & intelligently laid out while some are just the work of teeny boppers who spend too much time on the X-Box.

Either way questions must be asked because anyone regardless of what side your on can see the official story is just absurd.

Originally posted by truthquest

Why are you attacking the person making the argument instead of explaining why they are incorrect?

Cuz it's been 8 years, and the TM has gone NOWHERE.

One would think that eventually, it would dawn on truthers that they've been barking up the wrong tree. Not that I actually believe that only a very few truthers actually belive that 9/11 was an inside job.

To most of you, it's all a game, and a way to brush up on your typing skills. Pretty hilarious to watch. It's so obvious....

reply to post by mikelee

WTC 7 is another fatal flaw, a nail in the Bushco coffin. WTC 7 was not struck by any airliner of any size.

And who claimed that it was hit by an airliner?

If you noticed the twin towers were actually quite tall and so as they collapsed debris wouldn't just go downwards, it would hit many structures on the way to the ground.

It was seen standing behind a BBC correspondent even as she reported its collapse. Clearly --she had gotten the official 'release' but screwed up by reporting this planned event before it, in fact, occurred.

Oh so now they had to give her a script. How silly and stupid would that have been. Here darling, here's a script of what WE EVIL PEOPLE ARE ABOUT TO DO!!! Why not just let her report it as it happens, if they planned it to happen! DUH!!!

The fall of WTC 7, never struck by airliners, is a classic example of a controlled demolition.

Well my theory is that a giant marshmallow space tourist landed on WTC 7 using cloaked ships and didn't mean to cause the collapse but shucks they told me they're really sorry about it all!

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Originally posted by mikelee

At least someone is chasing the truth

I don't believe that for a second.

Especially NOT on ATS, a website set up to discuss conspiracy theories, and most definitely NOT to find any truth.

At least someone is chasing the truth

How is endlessly debating the same debunked issues on ATS ever chasing the truth? It's goes round in circles and it provides entertainment for the rest of us.

Originally posted by john124
Maybe the truther movement are Al-Qaeda spies infiltrating the web and brainwashing conspiracists with nonsense in order to provoke more anger towards the US govt. and potentially recruit more agents & terrorists for their cause.

This has a more likely chance of being true than all the statements about "OS agents" being on ATS.

reply to post by mikelee


Well said Mikelee. I also believe that "we", the collective us, can swing to strange tangents on either side. I wish I knew the whole and total truth.

Then, I could spend the rest of my days trying to convince the rest of ATS. I think the truth probably lies and uncomfortable distance from either camp, although I'd be hard pressed to provide evidence for such.

We have some folks here at ATS who are very impressive resources, and yet when most of them contribute to a thread, their character is often assailed. I think of BoneZ, Weedwhacker, etc. These and others are people who have valid and real personal training and experience that contribute to the various threads, but often as not, their information is not argued against as much as their credibility. I think a collusion of both camps could really move in the direction of boiling down the truth, if only we could suspend our own agendas briefly.

I don't think that THE TRUTH will ever be an accepted concensus, but I do believe that we have the resources on the web and within ATS to discover it for our own benefit.

I agree with the OP, the truth movement is not dying it is grown most people I have spoken with do not believe the OS. Most people are waking up slowly but surly.
Most people do not know what we know on ATS about 911, because they do not have the time to do the research that we have done.

It is up to us to educate the ignorant, because no one else can.


Great thread, S&F

reply to post by argentus


Well any topic has it's little demons meaning those like the posters above who have little to contribute other than their Saturday morning cartoon snips. But there are people on both sides of this topic both pro & con who if they could put down their attitudes as well as their defense postures COULD help one another. I believe based on what I've seen in many of these 911 threads that some just want to stay with the story line regardless of their accuracy on it. Then you have those whose theories border on the idiotic, somewhere in between is the truth and thats giot to be our main priority. Many here on ATS will "push" their theories at all cost regardless of their lack of evidence or proof that it's way off topic or within the constraints of the original 911 event.

There are many unanswered & unexplained things that happened on 911 both before during & after. I really do not see it dying because its 2010 and its still one the most talked about incidents of all time...even now. That says alot and it speaks of how people are not going to let this die and slip away. Justice will prevail.



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People like YOU who keep on providing important, timely and accurate information is why they are learning the truth about 911 Impressme