Truther Movement Can't Be Stopped

reply to post by mikelee


You did just dodge my question.

Which of the "conspiracies" do you endorse then? You sure can't have them all.

I await your answer.

reply to post by Soloist


Await no longer...

* I believe flight 93 was shot down.
* The WTC Towers did not fall as a direct result of the planes crashing into them.
* The Pentagon was hit by an aircraft, I'm not convinced of what type it was.

So there you go.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by Smack
Almost every person that studies the evidence is persuaded that there is some portion of the story that doesn't add up. There are a small minority of individuals (mainly on internet forums like this one) that viciously defend every government position, no matter how ridiculous or psychotic.

You need to rephrase this- almost every person who goes to these damned fool internet conspiracy web sites for their information is persuaded that there is some portion that doesn't add up. This isn't becuase there's any actual impropriety going on. It means the con artists behind these web sites are pushing out all sorts of utter horse [censored] and making mountains out of molehills to get people all paranoid over shadows, and their audience swallows it up becuase they don't know they're not being given the whole truth.

I said this before and I'll say it again- if the conspiracy theorists would only hold their own conspiracies up to the same high standard of critical analysis that they do the commission report, they wouldn't be conspiracy theorists for very long. Genuine critical analysis would get rid of those crackpot "lasers from outer space", "nukes in the basement", "hologram airplanes", and "secret satan worshipping cults" conspriacies right off the bat.

You typically rationalize with Stereotypes. They are terrible things, and allow the same "Conspriacies" theories that you speak so soundly against.

The problem with your rationale here is though.





Even the MSM reported on the Many Flaws of the OS.(Only 3, of about 120 clips from the MSM reporting the problems with the OS, a rough estimate, could be higher, But I can assure you I can post them all)


The other problem you have is.... That the Government has been involved in all sorts of cover ups and "Sketchy" Situations, and has always justified it with the Machiavellian(As most all politicians and government officals treat these situations this way) concept of, "The end justifies the means"


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Originally posted by mikelee
Await no longer...

* I believe flight 93 was shot down.

This is about the only one that I can even see in the realm of possibility. However, that does not mean an inside job, matter of fact that would prove the exact opposite.

* The WTC Towers did not fall as a direct result of the planes crashing into them.

Unfortunately for the TM, there is no proof that anything else happened. We know that planes hit the buildings rocking them with massive explosions and doing damage that has never been seen before. We know that fires burned uncontrolled up until the buildings collapsed. We know that bottom portions of the core stood standing for moments after the collapse. We know the collapses both started in the same area of the plane damage.

We know that the Naudet footage picks up no conventional explosives sounds as the voices of rescuers can be clearly heard, despite being very close to the South Tower as it came crashing down. Nor were people knocked off their feet from the concussive force that a conventional demo that large would have to produce.

Super-duper therm*te? The funny man who made that claim now thinks it was only there to start a conventional demo. Well, see above and we know that's not the case.

So, what in the world else brought them down? We've heard about nukes, missiles, and laser beams from outer space, what's next?

Flying mutilated cows flung at the speed of light from UFO's?
Al Gore's Nobel peace prize?
Kanye West's ego?

Hey, I'm just asking questions.

Hopefully you see how absurd the above seems to you. Well, every time some of us see these other crackpot theories, we think the exact same thing. But it's continued for years, without any "smoking gun" proof at all. And when poked and prodded and looked deeper into, they morph into something else that's equally or even more illogical.

* The Pentagon was hit by an aircraft, I'm not convinced of what type it was.

Well at least you don't subscribe to the ignorant "flyover" theory.

reply to post by Soloist

Flying mutilated cows flung at the speed of light from UFO's?

Good one.

After looking at other buildings that have undergone similiar fires even some for loner periods of time also, it is perplexing to just attribute their collaspe to the "fire weakened steel theory". The fires in the towers in my opinion is the only probable excuse by the 911 panel for the simple reason that the panel both, refused to hear/accept or be provided with evidence relating to any other explanations as to why they fell. With just limited evidence it would be difficult to establish a genuine unbiased investigation into the tower collaspes. An importasnt factor that many people must remember is the 911 Commission was NOT created to find any evidence at all, thats already been established and yet many people falsely cite the report as actual evidence of what happened. This again is false. The report is just that, a report to the best of their collective abilitys as to what happened.

The repor isn't evidentuary in its findings nor conclusions. Its just a collection of things they were given by agencys as to what they believed happened. If anyone wants to conclude that it's "final" in the sense of evidence based closure, then they are misinformed as to what the panel was about in the first place.

Regardless of what I believe happened (or any other person or group for that matter) we need a new investigation without a doubt. Will it do any good after almost 10 years? I cannot answer that with any certanity but I would hope so.

The claim that Bush invaded Iraq for oil is absurd. Do you have any idea how much oil we could buy for $1 trillion, or whatever the total cost is up to now? It makes no more sense to invade Iraq for oil than it does to invade France for cheese, or any other arbitrary imported good.

The fact that the 9/11 truther movement is attacked by the scientific community, the media, and a laundry list of other sources in no way constitutes evidence in favor of the 9/11 truther position. Unwillingness to "debate" about such an issue only indicates that people who favor the standard view of 9/11 do not believe there is any debate at all, so people who disagree are more of a curiosity than anything else.

People are simply unable to stomach the idea that things can just happen randomly, that the world around them is unpredictable and presidents can be shot at any moment by maniacs. They have to believe that there is some secret order to things, so they make up a conspiracy that involves a secret plan.

reply to post by bob135


OK Bob

thanks for that

As a truther , we have no problem that you,and others disagree .

We see other things here , so we Will continue.

Originally posted by bob135
People are simply unable to stomach the idea that things can just happen randomly, that the world around them is unpredictable and presidents can be shot at any moment by maniacs. They have to believe that there is some secret order to things, so they make up a conspiracy that involves a secret plan.

You must beleieve everything you are told by the media, never asking any questions even when common sense an facts show thre are things wrong with what we were told.

reply to post by REMISNE


Right, the footage of airplanes was just photoshopped.

The media says tons of stupid #, but this wasn't one of them.

Originally posted by bob135
Right, the footage of airplanes was just photoshopped.

Sorry but there is NO footage of AA77 hitting the Pentagon.

reply to post by REMISNE



Yeah, the decided to use 3 REAL planes...and 'pretend' to crash a 4th. That US Government is sure filled with geniuses.

Originally posted by ImAPepper
Yeah, the decided to use 3 REAL planes...and 'pretend' to crash a 4th. That US Government is sure filled with geniuses.

Sorry but there is NO footage of AA77 hitting the Pentagon.

Also the govenment does have some geat minds, someone has to be behind the special and black ops missions they have done.

Originally posted by REMISNE


Sorry but there is NO footage of AA77 hitting the Pentagon.

Also the govenment does have some geat minds, someone has to be behind the special and black ops missions they have done.

There is no footage of Abraham Lincoln getting assassinated. Does that mean he is still alive???

Originally posted by ImAPepper

Originally posted by REMISNE


Sorry but there is NO footage of AA77 hitting the Pentagon.

Also the govenment does have some geat minds, someone has to be behind the special and black ops missions they have done.

There is no footage of Abraham Lincoln getting assassinated. Does that mean he is still alive???

Was he assassinated in front of cameras? Were we told there is footage of it by the government? Hmmm, perhaps you were not paying attention to the context of the different events. Look into them. You will find there are many differences between 9/11 and Lincoln getting shot. Surprising, I know.

Originally posted by ImAPepper
There is no footage of Abraham Lincoln getting assassinated. Does that mean he is still alive???

Way to go, nice way to avoid the facts. Thanks again for showing you cannot discuss things in an mature way.



[edit on 8-2-2010 by REMISNE]

I did think at one time that the "Truther Movement" would probably rumble on for decades but I have revised my opinion on that.

What I think will end the movement is sadly going to be another event like 9/11.

Truthers routinely hand-wave away any threat from radical islamist terrorists but that doesn't mean they are not out there planning mayhem.

I think it is inevitable that they will get through one day and there will be more tragic loss of life.

Surely, when there is another attack, and all the evidence points to islamist fanatics, even Truthers are going to balk at accusing another US administration of mass-murder of its own citizens.

Originally posted by Lillydale

Was he assassinated in front of cameras? Were we told there is footage of it by the government? Hmmm, perhaps you were not paying attention to the context of the different events. Look into them. You will find there are many differences between 9/11 and Lincoln getting shot. Surprising, I know.

"We" were? Or are you attempting to speak French.. "oui"? The government said that there is footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon?

I think it is obvious there was not any video of President Lincoln's assassination. My point being...there is additional reliable evidence other than video to prove an event happened.

Originally posted by Alfie1

What I think will end the movement is sadly going to be another event like 9/11.

I disagree, because of your last sentence of your post:

Surely, when there is another attack, and all the evidence points to islamist fanatics, even Truthers are going to balk at accusing another US administration of mass-murder of its own citizens.

Conspiratorial minds need the reason to match the crime.

ie: Kennedy assassination: Could NOT be caused by only one insane person. Had to be Russian, CIA, Cuban, etc... involvement.

9/11 could not have been done by a small group of Islamic Extremists. Or as some truthers describe them: "Cavemen"

Originally posted by ImAPepper
My point being...there is additional reliable evidence other than video to prove an event happened.

Please show us this evidence. With reliable sources.

"Right, the footage of airplanes was just photoshopped."

By footage, I assume you mean video. Just for your information, Photoshop is an image ediiting program, NOT a video editing program.

"There is no footage of Abraham Lincoln getting assassinated. Does that mean he is still alive???"

Since it appears you've lost your way, the Political Conspiracy forum is THAT WAY >>>>>>>>>

"Conspiratorial minds need the reason to match the crime."

What I need is the evidence to match the crime. Since I am not presumptuous or obnoxious enough to speak for others, I do not know what other conspiratorial minds need.

"Kennedy assassination: Could NOT be caused by only one insane person. Had to be Russian, CIA, Cuban, etc... involvement."

It seems like you lost your way again. Why am I not surprised?

"What I think will end the movement is sadly going to be another event like 9/11."

Is this wishful thinking on your part?

So basically what we have here is someone who thinks Photoshop is a video editing program, someone who cannot find the Political Conspiracy category, someone who takes it upon himself to speak for others by painting an entire group with the same broad brush and someone who appears to be predicting more tragic loss of life to end the Truther movement.

Interesting.

[edit on 8-2-2010 by SphinxMontreal]