Russia/Georgia Situation News & Updates

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by manson_322

 

Mason... I can tell your a bright guy... so ..you know sometimes when that kind of talk is thrown at me... I blow it right back... because you know...I'm insulted and being a jerk back...

But lol... why always...the destroy this destroy that talk...

seriously, we are all human and no one actually needs to be destroyed...

America has made some poor picks of who to back...we back georgia and they... pull this...we backed Saddam and... he goes ape...


Your smart, you know what a war a devestating war in that region means for you... all the radiation in the mideast will blow right over your house...

India will be forced to take sides and in your country I'm guessing that means civil war...

So seriously... aside from... arguing for the sake or arguing... How can you advocate a war between USA and Russia...

You know... we would both blow thousands of Nukes... your life would be aliving hell..if you live at all...

So seriously... aside from... arguing for the sake or arguing... How can you advocate a war between USA and Russia... You know... we would both blow thousands of Nukes... your life would be aliving hell..if you live at all...

then my apologies, it was a knee jerk reaction seeing the double talk and hypocrisy of american leaders like McCain and Obama on russian-georgian issue.... sort of made me remember the hypocrisy of USa during 1971 indo-pak war , when USA threatened to attack us and bomb India to oblivion

I agree with you and take back my statments

[edit on 9-8-2008 by manson_322]

I mean Mason...seriously I am certain your a bright, spiritual guy

Do you actually believe that any group of people is evil? Your aware of ...the human condition, the worries people have... that it's always only a few power seekers and the rest of us...just want to live... that what goes on in the USA now...went on in Russia for half this century and everywhere else...

I'm sure you know these things run on fear

So why do you as a person fuel the hate fire?

I mean whats the deal...when I blast off stuff like that.. it's mainly to...piss off hate mongers and have fun with them... I'm guessing you just get a kick out of listening to Ridiculous American Bluster thrown back at you because it's kind of funny right?

You don't seriously want these things or believe that America should be wiped from the Earth..or anyone else right...

Tell me you just...make a point of the American attitude by doing this and your basically a peaceful guy

Originally posted by mopusvindictus

Bro... I think we have to stand back... NO?

I mean this is Russia and Ukraine even was part of Russia..if they want it back and the hold European oil and thousands of Nukes and it's...Russian people and Russian territory for centuries I think prior...

what can we do? We are bogged down as it is...

For now, standing back is understandable: Georgia is NOT a member of NATO. But if the Russians did decide to take back Georgia and then move into the Ukraine, and those countries are independent NOW and have the right to stay that way, what's to stop them going on from there? There would have to be a line in the sand at some point, otherwise what message does that send to every country in the world? "Want to take some of the world for yourself? Go for it; you don't have to answer to anyone again."

NATO would have to be united if they did anything at all. Ideally if WWIII kicks off, it won't be until we (the UK) have our shiny new carriers and the rest of the Astute class subs and the Daring class Type-45s to unleash hell with

I still don't think any of that will happen though and this will stay within the Georgian borders.

reply to post by manson_322


You don't have to apologize...

This is how it all happens huh? because... I can tell your bright and I'm a very bright guy...

and I don't mean any of what I say when defending America against raw hate...

But it all starts everywhere... all this crap with a war of words..

It's not even about the issues we all defend is it?

it's...alot like a forum... someone says something insulting to make a point and get there way..and then personal attacks start...in the case of nations my culture vs yours...

then dummies on the street act on words and it's...the lowest 10% anywhere...

but people get scared so the govt talks tough and....

sooner or later someone shoots for real in a major way...

You and I ... I think should not get, so caught up in anger at defending ourselves...

I have a feeling you are a person above all that in the end... as am I or at least would prefer to be


I don't know... a week like this makes you realize how... ridiculous this all is...

TBILISI, Georgia (AFP)--Russia has started bombarding a Georgian-controlled section of Abkhazia, Georgia's public television reported on Saturday.

"Russian aviation is currently bombing the villages of Sakeni and Lower Kvapchara in Upper Abkhazia," the television channel said, referring to areas on the edge of Abkhazia.

Abkhazia is one of two Russian-backed separatist regions of Georgia along with South Ossetia, where Russian and Georgian forces are battling for control of the capital Tskhinvali.

Abkhazia is making the wires now. Looks like the idea of localization is becoming a myth.

im not indian , iranian or russian and im Christian not muslim

i`ve seen a news report saying it was a Abkhazia airforce bomber that attacked Georgian forces within the country not a russian bomber

Originally posted by Muppetus Galacticus

Originally posted by mopusvindictus

Bro... I think we have to stand back... NO?

I mean this is Russia and Ukraine even was part of Russia..if they want it back and the hold European oil and thousands of Nukes and it's...Russian people and Russian territory for centuries I think prior...

what can we do? We are bogged down as it is...

For now, standing back is understandable: Georgia is NOT a member of NATO. But if the Russians did decide to take back Georgia and then move into the Ukraine, and those countries are independent NOW and have the right to stay that way, what's to stop them going on from there? There would have to be a line in the sand at some point, otherwise what message does that send to every country in the world? "Want to take some of the world for yourself? Go for it; you don't have to answer to anyone again."

NATO would have to be united if they did anything at all. Ideally if WWIII kicks off, it won't be until we (the UK) have our shiny new carriers and the rest of the Astute class subs and the Daring class Type-45s to unleash hell with

I still don't think any of that will happen though and this will stay within the Georgian borders.

I do not think that... Russia seeks to Return to the days of wanting to invade Europe... Ukraine would be.. a difficult choice and...

I have to say... I think the break up of the soviet Union was not a good thing...

The world in the direction of many small independent states in a world of superweapons is way to complicated and dangerous...

No one I suppose and we at one point with our "United States" was close before the federal govt took much power and now the EU kind of has it going on...

Social Law Locally.. International Law federally united...

Ah, so Russia attacked Georgia... it just happened to be within Abkhazia's territory. >_<

This is a powder keg. Surely Russia doesn't want to take this as far as some people are imagining. I mean... right?

Perhaps in addition to asserting their influence and reacting to the Ossetia offensive by Georgia, they also wish to test the reaction of the west. Maybe they want to see how seriously we take their own interests, to determine whether playing ball with the west is ultimately worth it in the long run. How much of the pie they can get by the time the end game plays out someday in the future by working with us versus working against us. How we react could tell them a lot.

[edit on 8/9/2008 by AceWombat04]

UK BBC News 24 at 1.44GMT had a statement that forces from Abkhazia have began shelling Georgian troops just inside the Georgian border with Abkhazia. Their reporter, when asked why? had no information at this time.

reply to post by AceWombat04

Ah, so Russia attacked Georgia... it just happened to be within Abkhazia's territory.

Dude have you not being paying attention?

Russia's offensive now is a direct response to them loosing 2 aircraft without provocation to the Georgians:
www.nytimes.com...
news.smh.com.au...

I'm not sure which planet you reside on, but here on Earth, one nation attacks another and generally a fight ensues between the two.

Perhaps in addition to asserting their influence and reacting to the Ossetia offensive by Georgia,

Russia is asserting influence?

Correct me if I'm wrong (which I'm not) but didn't Georgia bomb the crap out of S. Ossetia last night with a massive artillery barrage?

South Ossetia has been independent since 1991 and autonomously governed, the Georgians have had no influence on them whatsoever.

With the mess in Abkhazia and the possibility of that chunk of territory slipping out of Georgia's grasp, Saakashvili is getting desperate to hold onto whatever land he can with whatever means necessary.

Including attacking neutral countries and bombing civilians. This has nothing to do with the West.

Russia is simply responding in kind to that unwarranted aggression, which is frankly the only thing that's going to deter Georgia from waging all out war.

[edit on 9/8/08 by The Godfather of Conspira]

Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
reply to post by AceWombat04

 

Ah, so Russia attacked Georgia... it just happened to be within Abkhazia's territory.

Dude have you not being paying attention?

Russia's offensive now is a direct response to them loosing 2 aircraft without provocation to the Georgians:
www.nytimes.com...
news.smh.com.au...

I'm not sure which planet you reside on, but here on Earth, one nation attacks another and generally a fight ensues between the two.

Perhaps in addition to asserting their influence and reacting to the Ossetia offensive by Georgia,

Russia is asserting influence?

Correct me if I'm wrong (which I'm not) but didn't Georgia bomb the crap out of S. Ossetia last night with a massive artillery barrage?

South Ossetia has been independent since 1991 and autonomously governed, the Georgians have had no influence on them whatsoever.

With the mess in Abkhazia and the possibility of that chunk of territory slipping out of Georgia's grasp, Saakashvili is getting desperate to hold onto whatever land he can with whatever means necessary.

Including attacking neutral countries and bombing civilians. This has nothing to do with the West.

Russia is simply responding in kind to that unwarranted aggression, which is frankly the only thing that's going to deter Georgia from waging all out war.

[edit on 9/8/08 by The Godfather of Conspira]

I'm 100% certain you could have phrased that with a larger modicum of courtesy.

What I meant was that some people are imagining that Russia plans to permanently occupy Georgia, Ukraine, and other former Soviet territory, and that surely that can't be the case.

Wartimes are so confusing aren't they? Still, I'd rather have live news than nothing at all

Medvedev to Bush - "only way out of crisis is for Georgian trrops to withdraw from conflict zone" - isn't more than the disputed zones of Georgia a conflict zone now?

Also, Russia has been saying the Georgian forces have already been beaten back out of South Ossetia

reply to post by mopusvindictus


well, actually i love to insult those ignorant and arrogant ones , who love to advocate Destruction of other nations ..... and who know nothing of other cultures ,

Do you actually believe that any group of people is evil? Your aware of ...the human condition, the worries people have... that it's always only a few power seekers and the rest of us...just want to live... that what goes on in the USA now...went on in Russia for half this century and everywhere else...

You don't seriously want these things or believe that America should be wiped from the Earth..or anyone else right...

I am not interested in USA being wiped out, but rather an end to the militarisation of the planet and dismantlement of CIA, these things whcih are happening are thanks to CIA and Saudi Wahhabism and the Big oil ....

in my opinion scrap Big oil and CIA and the Islamic terror problem will disappear, in fact Saudi Arabia and CIA are responsible for rise of Wahhabi Islam , as these forces wanted to destroy Sufi style Islam , which is very peaceful and spiritual , in fact Sufi islam allowed much more freedom to women and than what this crazy Wahhabi Islam gives .....

and what surprises me is ignorance on Iran , in fact in terms of Islamic culture , Iran is much more free when compared to Saudi Arabia ,Qatar ,Indonesia,Sudan,Algeria etc .. and yet americans love Saudi Arabia so much that they bend backwards to it .. its amazing

I despise the Wahhabis , while I like the Arya Samaj style of Hinduism / sufi style of Islam which is very peaceful,free and spiritual

Tell me you just...make a point of the American attitude by doing this and your basically a peaceful guy

surprising you managed to understand my true character ,

Abkhaz Separatists Say Attack Georgian Gorge
`Abkhaz armed forces launched an operation to drive Georgian forces out of the gorge,` Sergei Shamba said. more

Starting to get out of control, while heads of state sit in China. Beijing smog seems to have affected mental capacity and gray matter.

When was the last time anyone ever heard of G8 leaders watching games while a major power goes to war?

[edit on 9-8-2008 by Regenmacher]

Originally posted by AceWombat04

I'm 100% certain you could have phrased that with a larger modicum of courtesy.

What I meant was that some people are imagining that Russia plans to permanently occupy Georgia, Ukraine, and other former Soviet territory, and that surely that can't be the case.

The only reason I entertained the thought was a combination of Russia's promises yesterday towards those who assisted Georgia and today's blaming of the Ukraine in regards to any ethnic cleansing.

I too doubt they would go down that road

Originally posted by Muppetus Galacticus
Wartimes are so confusing aren't they? Still, I'd rather have live news than nothing at all

Medvedev to Bush - "only way out of crisis is for Georgian trrops to withdraw from conflict zone" - isn't more than the disputed zones of Georgia a conflict zone now?

Also, Russia has been saying the Georgian forces have already been beaten back out of South Ossetia

Agreed.

I thought the same thing about the zones, maybe Russia are saying "Go and live with your naughty cousins!!" haha

Russias Ambassador has stated to NATO in Brussels that there is ethnic cleansing and genocide taking place - SKY NEWS

BBC TV (REUTERS): Georgia may ask for international military help.

The Russian FM also reports more ethnic cleansing in the area.

Make of all that what you will.

Guardian UK: Armed Cossacks pour in to fight Georgians

reply to post by AceWombat04

I'm 100% certain you could have phrased that with a larger modicum of courtesy.

Sorry for jumping the gun but I thought you were another one of those all too common, clueless folk who just start taking sides based on their political leanings.

Apologies... and your right, occupation would the last thing in Russia's mind right now, first and foremost they want to bring Georgia to it's knees and to the negotiating table.

Two more big claims from both sides:

1. Russia claim that genocide is taking place right now in the south.

2. Georgia claim that the Russian army has been indiscriminately attacking Georgian civilians.

The Russian claim has come directly from Russia's ambassador to NATO - Poland has just called for an emergency EU summit.

[edit on 9-8-2008 by chips]

[edit on 9-8-2008 by chips]