Russia/Georgia Situation News & Updates

Abkhaz parliament ratifies military base deal with Russia

The Abkhaz parliament has ratified an agreement with Russia on creation of a joint military base in the breakaway Georgian republic, a RIA Novosti correspondent reported on Tuesday.

Russia has signed agreements with Abkhazia and another breakaway Georgian republic, South Ossetia, to set up military bases there for an initial term of 49 years, with possible extensions for an additional 15 years.

This is sure to piss off that little bastard Saakasvilli.

‘US builds hospitals in Georgia, readies for war with Iran’

The United States is sponsoring the construction of facilities in Georgia on the threshold of a military conflict in Iran, a member of Georgian opposition movement Public Assembly, Elizbar Javelidze has stated.

According to the academician, that explains why President Mikhail Saakashvili is roaming the republic opening new hospitals in its regions.

“These are 20-bed hospitals…It’s an American project. A big war between the US and Iran is beginning in the Persian Gulf. $5 billion was allocated for the construction of these 20-bed military hospitals,” Javelidze said in an interview with Georgian paper Kviris Kronika (News of the Week), as cited by Newsgeorgia website.

The opposition member stated that the construction is mainly paid from the American pocket.

In addition, airports are being briskly built in Georgia and there are talks of constructing a port for underwater vessels in Kulevi on the eastern Black Sea coast in Georgia.

Javelidze believes that it is all linked to the deployment of US military bases on the Georgian soil.

If this is true, this is NUTS... Russia warned of WW3 if Georgia is put into NATO and this is clearly preparation for that.

Russia won't stand for US military bases on their border.

Hospitals, airports and naval port on Black sea. The assault is imminent! It was a sarcasm by the way.
Military bases,radars and ground/air forces deployment will be the sign of a strike,unlike what is described above which is just normal development of a country. Saakashvilli plans a new city for half a million people. Oh the horror, it is for the strike too?
This is just a Georgian opposition propaganda twisted further by RT propaganda.

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We'll see anyway in the coming few weeks/months.

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what do you think about russian arsenal? its biological weapons division?From what I read on ATS it is powerful and nasty stuff.And then there are rumors of race based bioweapons something called ethnocentric bioweapons developed by Israel.

Whats your take?

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what do you think about russian arsenal?

The Russian nuclear arsenal is the only thing that keeps the crazy bastards running our countries at bay. That's why the elite wants to build a missile shield. The missile shield ain't against North Korea or Iran. Right now, the missile shield might not be much, but it's growing fast.

its biological weapons division?

In a ww3 scenario, I doubt much of these weapons would be used.

And then there are rumors of race based bioweapons something called ethnocentric bioweapons developed by Israel.

Israel does have them, they were developped with Apartheid South Africa back in the day. But using that kind of stuff is crazy since all humans share common DNA... IMO it would kill everybody it touches... they might think it will only kill ``arabs`` or some BS like that but I doubt it.

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I believe one of the posters here claimed that soviet union developed ethnocentric weapons.I have found no proof with regards to that. How effective could the missile shield be?

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I believe one of the posters here claimed that soviet union developed ethnocentric weapons.I have found no proof with regards to that.

I don't know about that. Doubt it.

How effective could the missile shield be?

Well right now, not so much. But in a few years, with tens of thousands of interceptors that can be launched from land, sea and air, very much so.

Obama to Meet Saakashvili

President Obama will host his Georgian counterpart Mikheil Saakashvili for a meeting in the Oval Office on January 30, the White House said.

It noted that 2012 marks 20th anniversary of diplomatic relations between U.S. and Georgia and the two presidents would discuss further strengthening the U.S.-Georgia charter on strategic partnership, signed in 2009, "by enhancing cooperation in the fields of trade, tourism, energy, science, education, culture, and security."

"President Obama will underscore the importance of our defense cooperation with Georgia, including Georgia’s substantial contributions to international security operations in Afghanistan," the White House said.

Georgian MFA: 'Russia is Source of Destabilization'

Itar-Tass news agency reported on January 10 quoting a source from Russia’s general staff of army, that officers and small army units from Abkhazia and South Ossetia would also be invited to take part in the Kavkaz-2012 drills in the second half of September. According to the report officers would take part in simulation-based command and control trainings. “There won’t be large scale maneuvers… Small military contingents of the three states will be involved,” the Russian army source was quoted.

This ought to piss off that little Saakasvilli.

Elections in October in Georgia.

Crazy bastards...

USA plans to rearm Saakashvili's Georgia

Apparently, for the elite, it's no fun unless the end of all life on earth is a prospect.

Putin: 'Rearming Georgia by U.S. Huge Mistake'

Russia’s PM Vladimir Putin said on February 22, that “rearming” Georgia by the United States was “a huge mistake” and Moscow was “constantly raising this issue” with Washington.

Putin said that the U.S. arms supply to Georgia “is an open secret”.

“We know that, we see that and we react appropriately, but not publicly, on that,” the Russian Prime Minister said.

Abkhaz Official: 'We don't Tend to Link Ankvab Attack to Tbilisi'

Abkhaz official said that authorities in Sokhumi were not inclined towards linking the February 22 attack on Abkhaz leader Alexander Ankvab to Tbilisi.

“The President was obviously a target of this attack. This is sixth attack against him as far as I remember, but we do not tend to attribute it to Georgia,” Kristian Bzhania, the Abkhaz leader’s spokesman, told Itar-Tass news agency.

This is an official statement issued by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Georgia on the occassion of the seventh anniversary of the Russia-Georgia war in 2008. Russia invaded Georgia and has since been occupying Georgia’s South Ossetia and Abkhazia regions. — ED.

August 7, 2015, marks the seventh anniversary of Russia’s large-scale military aggression against Georgia and occupation of the regions of the sovereign and independent state. Seven years after the August 2008 war, 20 percent of Georgia’s territory remains under occupation, resulting in mass violations of fundamental rights of the local population and the hundreds of thousands of victims of ethnic cleansing, which are still denied the right to safe and dignified return to the places of their original residence.

Despite the constructive measures undertaken by the Georgian Government, Moscow continues the policy of creeping annexation which is directed against Georgia’s sovereignty and territorial integrity and violates the fundamental principles of international law and the August 12, 2008 Ceasefire Agreement.

A clear illustration of that is the signature of the so-called “treaties” on integration with the Sokhumi and Tskhinvali occupation regimes, the continuation of the installation of artificial obstacles along the occupation line and placement of banners marking the so-called “state border” by Moscow. Such actions violate not only the fundamental principles of international law, but infringe civil, social and economic rights of local residents, primarily their right to freedom of movement.

The Georgian side underlines the importance of the format of the Geneva International Discussions, established in accordance with the 12 August 2008 Ceasefire Agreement. Georgia is committed to further continue constructive engagement in the discussions aimed at resolving the outstanding political issues between Georgia and Russia, first and foremost the non-use of force pledge by the Russian Federation, the establishment of international security arrangements, as well as the safe and dignified return of the displaced population.

In the existing situation, the firm and consistent support of the international community is of utmost importance. Georgia expresses its gratitude and once again calls upon the international community to continue its firm support for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Georgia.

During last years, the Government of Georgia has undertaken a number of significant steps to de-escalate the conflict with Russia, which resulted in the resumption of trade, cultural and humanitarian relations between the two countries. The Government of Georgia will further continue the implementation of the de-escalation policy and will use all available diplomatic and political tools in order to resolve the existing conflict through peaceful means only, based on the principle of sovereignty and territorial integrity of Georgia within its internationally recognized borders.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Georgia would like to seize this opportunity and once again express its deepest sympathy to the families of the Georgian soldiers and civil population who fell victim to the August 2008 War.

m.koreatimes.co.kr...

Echoes of annexation
By remaining silent on Georgia, the West made it easy for Russia to invade Ukraine.
By NATALIE SABANADZE 8/7/15, 5:30 AM CET Updated 8/7/15, 4:03 PM CET
Seven years ago, on August 8, 2008, Russian troops crossed national borders and attacked another sovereign state. Not many saw it coming. To the contrary, signs of escalation were ignored and warnings dismissed as groundless paranoia.

The five-day war between Russia and Georgia sent shock waves across the international community at the time. However, many of its members were all too keen to forgive and forget. The policy of the so-called reset followed as the West tried to mend its relations with Russia, even if consequences of that ill-fated five-day war remained unaddressed.

Today, as yet another war is being waged between Russia and one of its neighbors, it is ever so important to remember 2008 and analyze its consequences with the gift of hindsight.

It was in 2008 that the post-Cold War peaceful order, which rested upon the principles enshrined in the Helsinki Accords, was challenged for the first time — and irreversibly — by Moscow. Russia attacked another state and moved on to redraw internationally recognized boundaries.

The EU brokered a ceasefire, which ended the hostilities but not the aggression against Georgia’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. It continues to this very day as Russia has been refusing to comply fully with the ceasefire agreement, massing its military in Georgia’s regions of Abkhazia and Tskhinvali and fencing them off with barbed wire from the rest of Georgia.

No international observers are allowed; the ethnic Georgian population that has been expelled cannot return; and the prospects for finding a negotiated settlement to the conflict are looking increasingly bleak. Tbilisi has characterized the situation in the conflict-affected regions as creeping annexation, but generating considerable international attention has been difficult since the world’s focus now is elsewhere.

Nevertheless, the crisis in Ukraine has revived memories of 2008 — and for a good reason. The conclusions that one can draw from Georgia’s experience are relevant for today’s Ukraine as well as for the broader international community. The nature of the international system is such that bad precedents, unless contained, will be repeated elsewhere.

The Georgian experience also demonstrates that the freezing of a conflict is not the same as solving it.
It is clear today that international response to the Russia-Georgia war in 2008 was not proportional to the wider challenge it represented, partly because many chose to believe that this was a one-off event that would not be repeated. Such a response defined the calculus of Moscow in its actions against Ukraine.

Russia learned from the Georgia experience that the use of military power can be effective in achieving its foreign policy objectives. With its 2008 adventure, Russia put Georgia’s NATO membership on indefinite hold, and with its intervention in Ukraine it may have achieved the same result with respect to the EU membership for both Georgia and Ukraine.

The Georgian experience also demonstrates that the freezing of a conflict is not the same as solving it. The unresolved status of the so-called frozen conflicts becomes entrenched with time and increasingly difficult to undo. Ceasefire agreements, even if partially implemented, save lives and thus are indispensable, but their violations cripple states and can easily go unnoticed once headline-grabbing hostilities are over. Consequently, frozen conflicts become effective pressure-mechanisms, undermining the normal development of any sovereign state and limiting its foreign policy choices.

In the case of Georgia’s ceasefire agreement, no enforcement mechanism was foreseen and the result is the occupation and potential annexation of two of Georgia’s regions. International response to the crisis in Ukraine has been more robust and includes economic sanctions. It is worth remembering, however, that a lifting of the sanctions should not be linked to the implementation of the Minsk agreement, which effectively freezes the conflict, but rather to the restoration of Ukraine’s territorial integrity.

Before 2008, inter-state war in wider Europe seemed unthinkable. Today it is no longer surprising. This represents a dramatic deterioration in European security.

In this context, many began to reflect critically on Western — and especially the EU’s — policies, arguing that the latter had grossly underestimated the importance Russia attached to the domination of its neighborhood. In this view, world peace is better preserved by respecting the interests of big powers rather than contesting them.

This line of reasoning invites leaders of the EU to negotiate with Moscow about the future of the shared neighborhood, while downplaying the extent to which affected states in this very neighborhood may have a say. Such an approach is not only morally flawed but also politically misguided.

First, there is no evidence to suggest that such ‘dealings’ can effectively contain Russia’s expansionist tendencies. To the contrary, these may be inadvertently encouraged and serve as bad precedents that are better avoided. Second, nothing in the experience of Georgia (and of Ukraine for that matter) shows that Georgia will easily accept Russia’s hegemony even if the rest of the world does. Russia may have won the war in 2008 and occupied Georgia’s regions, but it did not succeed in bringing Georgia to submission. Going against the will of the people invites resistance, hardly a recipe for peace and stability.

Natalie Sabanadze is Georgia’s Ambassador to Belgium and Luxembourg, and the head of the Georgian mission to the European Union.

Authors:

Natalie Sabanadze

Fuente: www.politico.eu...

This thread is about to hit 333 pages. This is significant, this means the Russian situation has looped itself by now and we're entering a new loop on the history spiral.

Any astrologers that have data on this?