Russia/Georgia Situation News & Updates

The claims of genocide by the georgians have been since the 7th; international red cross to arrive in S.osse very soon to assist.

reply to post by chips

Georgia may ask for international military help.

South Ossetia's not sovereign and isn't recognised by the West, which ironically would be the only people to come to Georgia's aid right now.

As far as I recall, the nation has to be sovereign and declare by itself a "state of emergency" to be able to accept international assistance or military assistance...
Don't quote me on that but it was a very similiar situation with Kosovo in 1999.

Poland has called for an emergency EU Summit on conflict in Georgia - Sky News

Just to note, I seen Gordon Brown before on BBC News 24 and he was at some book opening thing of some sort and never even mentioned the conflict when I seen it.

Duh the EU isnt going to say anything threatening in the slightest..we need russian gas! So its all going to be soft tactic politics...EU cant do a thing in the slightest to stop Russia,neither Can america...so its all in Russian hands right now and we need to see what they are planning.

Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
reply to post by AceWombat04

 

I'm 100% certain you could have phrased that with a larger modicum of courtesy.

Sorry for jumping the gun but I thought you were another one of those all too common, clueless folk who just start taking sides based on their political leanings.

Apologies... and your right, occupation would the last thing in Russia's mind right now, first and foremost they want to bring Georgia to it's knees and to the negotiating table.

It's alright. No, unfortunately I'm one of those all too common, clueless folk who oppose war in all its forms for any justification and just want there to be peace. (And usually become pariahs as a result in their community.)

That's my opinion too, though - that they want to strengthen their hand sufficiently to improve their ability to negotiate the peace on their terms once the firing stops. My only concern is that Georgia may not surrender, or that other forces may seize on this scenario to make plays that would have otherwise been untenable.

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reply to post by chips

2. Georgia claim that the Russian army has been indiscriminately attacking Georgian civilians.

I think Georgia's crying wolf.. they just shelled the living crap out of Tskhinvali last night and are now trying to make themselves feel less guilty: www.youtube.com...

There have been dozens of unconfirmed reports of over 1,000 civilian casualties in Tskhinvali, which when you consider the scale of the bombardment and the fact that BM-21's aren't exactly very accurate weapons, I'm sure many civilians got caught up in the chaos:

www.independent.co.uk...
www.theherald.co.uk...
www.reuters.com...

Godfather..do you think Russia will take this opportunity to push forward more into gerogia in hopes of colllpasing the government now that it has all kicked off? Or do you think they will simply form a defensive barrier around osettia?

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whats interesting is the news - the truth is slowly coming out , but you can really tell which MSM is being controlled and only reporting the `party line`

Here's a question for those in the know: Are there any more of these "breakaway" regions in other countries that became independent after the break-up of the Soviet Union? If so, how many of them have strong Russian backing?

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Hard to say, the front is still firmly fixated on the Georgian-Ossetian border, with only a few sporadic attacks occurring on Georgian soil.

I think Russia will do it's best to keep this conflict as marginalised as possible, but as you've heard with Abkhazia using this as a chance to repel Georgia, it could just develop into an all out war across the entire, Northern Georgian border.

Right now the Russians have been mobilising in and around South Ossetia, not from the East where there is a gap in the Georgian lines and far less troops stationed.
(seehereen.wikipedia.org...:South_Ossetia_2.jpg)
Which would make an obvious target to try to outflank the Georgians.

Which I take as a sign they want to limit the fighting to Southern Ossetia, so as not spark international condemnation or let the media make them out to be on some crazed, power-hungry land grab...

But the Georgians have been pretty unpredictable in this conflict..
Who knows? They shelled Tskhinvali last night maybe they'll push even further north and begin shelling Northern Ossetia which is firmly Russian territory.

Maybe they do want to escalate this conflict and get other powers involved, time will tell.

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Yip im thinking personally georgia want to push this and *hope* they get international backing*which i dont think they will*..Bringing back the 2000 troops from iraq,having a draft,i dont think they are going to leave this,and as russian casulties mount up i think they are going to invade imo...for the simple fact gerogia is putting far too much trust in the western nations to help,it was written all over the georgian presidents interview with EU flag in the background etc...Hes in for a rude awakening...although i may be wrong!

A Russian ambassador has said that 'at least 2,000 civilians have been killed' so far.

...Already?!

I'm hoping that's not true. Bloody awful, eh.

ANALYSIS: New Cold War Heats Up

Every country which borders Russia to the West and South now has a choice: Do you want to be an American ally or do you want to come back into Moscow's sphere of influence?

A Georgian man comforts his injured relative as the battle heats up

The South Ossetian conflict is about much more that a small disputed backwater, it's the battleground for Russian and American foreign policy.

Sky News

Another quick update (Sky): Georgia has said that Russia attempted to target the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline with strikes - but missed.

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The 2000 troops from Iraq were coming home anyway.

reply to post by Muppetus Galacticus


I assume your referring to Caucasus..?

None of the former Soviet Caucasian Republics have gained recognised independence from Russia; Chechnya and Ingushetia have both proclaimed independence several times (the first in 1991 as the Republic of Ichkeria, coinciding with the first Chechen War) usually coinciding with fierce resistance movements, but as of 2008 both of these states are still firmly under Russian control.

The "Caucasus Emirate" is the proclaimed successor to the Republic of Ichkeria, of course it has no political backing or bearing, but the Chechen separatists still seek it's independance.

Nagorno-Karabakh is entirely different matter all together, the disputed zone between Armenia and Azerbaijan, but it has received partial independence but it still governed by Azerbaijan, although tensions between Armenia & Azerbaijan have decreased considerably since the 1990's Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

Say this Georgian attack is planned by the US as cover and in a few days Iran gets taken out Israel. Keeps the Russians too busy to care about Iran. The world will be looking the other way while Irans nuclear sites get bombed. It's just a theory, but I'm sure the Israelis did the same during the Falklands War when world attention was focussed on the Brits and Argies, using it as cover while launching an invasion of Lebanon.

A paragraph from a comment on news from "Al Jazzeera"

english.aljazeera.net...

Stating that the Georgia have asked US for support in getting the 2000 Georgian troops in Iraq back to Gorgia, raises the question - How will that be viewed by Russia?

If the US flyes those troops back to Georgia I hope that isnt viewed by Russia as the US aiding and abetting Georgia in killing Russians !

Say this Georgian attack is planned by the US as cover and in a few days Iran gets taken out Israel. Keeps the Russians too busy to care about Iran. The world will be looking the other way while Irans nuclear sites get bombed. It's just a theory, but I'm sure the Israelis did the same during the Falklands War when world attention was focussed on the Brits and Argies, using it as cover while launching an invasion of Lebanon.

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mmmm good point. I think what we are viewing is only the first few moves in this game of chess. Im sure there are many more surprises in store, hopefully some of them positive and good.

Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
reply to post by Muppetus Galacticus

 

I assume your referring to Caucasus..?

None of the former Soviet Caucasian Republics have gained recognised independence from Russia; Chechnya and Ingushetia have both proclaimed independence several times (the first in 1991 as the Republic of Ichkeria, coinciding with the first Chechen War) usually coinciding with fierce resistance movements, but as of 2008 both of these states are still firmly under Russian control.

The "Caucasus Emirate" is the proclaimed successor to the Republic of Ichkeria, of course it has no political backing or bearing, but the Chechen separatists still seek it's independance.

Nagorno-Karabakh is entirely different matter all together, the disputed zone between Armenia and Azerbaijan, but it has received partial independence but it still governed by Azerbaijan, although tensions between Armenia & Azerbaijan have decreased considerably since the 1990's Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

Magic Thanks for the info, mate!

The thing that worries me is that Russia have already started bombing outside of the disputed regions.

1) Port in Poti, western Georgia attacked.
2) Airbase in Tblisi attacked.
3) Gori under very heavy attacks overnight.

None of the above attacks are in the disputed regions, they are further south.