Russia/Georgia Situation News & Updates

reply to post by hardcoremusiclover

thank god! ty

EDIT: This is pointless and off-topic. I apologize.

Please delete. Or just ignore.

[edit on 8/8/08 by NovusOrdoMundi]

Does this sound far- fetched to anyone ?

The Georgians could be completely doomed.

They may have been talked into action ( S. Hussien, 1980 ) by the West.

The Russians might completely devastate Georgia until permanent

insurgency ( a Western speciality ) takes hold.

Will anyone intervene ?

Has anybody else noticed the gigantic fleet in, or headed to... the Persian Gulf ?

A huge , bigger than Georgia story is now ( apparently ) and finally going

to play out between ISRAEL/ US and Iran.

Will the plight of Georgia become a sideshow on page 14 ?

Immediate Response 2008 is "a three-week international exercise to help build relationships with coalition partners from several Eastern European nations", which began on July 15th, according to the US Army.

Total, about 1,000 troops were to take part in this exercise from the United States, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Ukraine. This includes 300 Georgia National Guard Troops from the 1st Battalion, 121st Infantry. (source)

This three week exercise ended on August 5th. However, it is unknown whether these troops left immediately. Other happenings in the region suggest they may not have left.

According to KavkazCenter.com on July 10th, "Gang formations of the Russian North Caucasus Military District are the ones occupying the territory of the Caucasus Emirate. These are the formations that have been conducting large-scale military maneuvers near Georgia's borders over the past few days."

Large scale military maneuvers near the Georgian border by the Russian North Caucasus Military District, which is "a military district of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation".

What does the Russian North Caucasus Military District consist of?

The District includes:

* 42nd Motor Rifle Division at Khankala, in the environs of Grozny in Chechniya.
* 20th "Prikarpatsko-Berlinskaya" Guards Motor Rifle Division, (Cyrillic: гвардейская мотострелковая Прикарпатско-Берлинская дивизия)
* 33rd Separate Motor Rifle Regiment (Volgograd)
* 131st Motor Rifle Brigade (Maikop - former 9 MRD)
* 58th Army (headquarters at Vladikavkaz)
o 19th Motor Rifle Division
o 136th "Umansko-Berlinskaya" Separate Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade, (Cyrillic: гвардейская мотострелковая Уманско-Берлинская дивизия)
o other brigades and regiments
* 4th Air Army,
* Transcaucasus Group of Forces
* Caspian Flotilla
* and other formations and units, including the newly forming 33rd and 34th Separate Motor Rifle Brigades (Mountain)

North Caucasus Military District

Note the 4th Air Army and 58th Army as a part of this military district. These two are listed in the belligerents of the 2008 South Ossetia War

Keep in mind these large scale military maneuvers were being conducted as early as July 10th, and maybe sooner. Immediate Response 2008 began July 15th. This conflict began to really intensify, not August 7th or August 8th, but August 1st, before Immediate Response 2008 was complete.

Beginning late on August 1, intense fighting began between Georgian troops and paramilitary soldiers of South Ossetia causing the deaths of six people and the injuries of twenty-one others. Both sides accused the other of commencing the fighting. On August 3, the Russian government allowed South Ossetians to begin evacuation into Russia, which resulted in twenty bus-loads of refugees leaving the region on the first day.

August 1st - 7th Escalation of Hostilities

Would these nations, or at the very least, the United States, leave Georgia knowing of the large scale military maneuvers on Georgia's border, and knowing of the escalation of hostilities before the exercise was even complete?

Was Immediate Response 2008 just that, an immediate response, to Russian aggression and maneuvers? Was it a ploy to have US forces on the ground?

1,000 troops in the grand scope of things is nothing big, and a good number of these are National Guard troops.

But would it be far fetched to believe a bombing of a base which is currently housing US troops would greatly escalate tensions between Russia and the United States, and may even be used as a pretext to joining the conflict, even if it is simply to supply Georgia with weapons?

Think about that question when thinking about the future of this conflict, because a Russian warplane on August 8th dropped two bombs on the Vaziani military base - the same base where Immediate Response 2008 took place.

Quite funny that it was Saakashvilli who made these public claims about two Russian jets being downed. Not the reporters, not the Georgian press or witnesses, not even the Georgian army.

It has been many many hours and these reports are still unconfirmed. If the jets were downed over Georgia, surely Georgia can get some live footage? Wouldn't that be a great and much needed propaganda tool? I would take these news (along with pretty much all other unconfimed news from the conflict zoe) with a grain of salt.


Russia has not reported any jets being downed. It has no reason to hide this - Georgia is the one that started the war and provoked Russian action.

I apologize, for I have not read every single page here.

But does anybody remember this?

news.bbc.co.uk...

In April, a Russian MiG-29 shot down a Georgian UAV. Is this somehow connected?

Yes it is connected. The UAV was part of Georgian recon mission while it was getting ready to strike the separatists.

The only aircraft I've seen confirmed down with any certainty is this one which is claimed to be a Georgian aircraft downed over Ossetia.

It's hard to tell what it was, maybe a Georgian L-29 or L-39?

I doubt, in general, that Georgia can offer significant opposition to the Russian Air Force.

It appears their most advanced aircraft are a quartet of Su-24's.

Originally posted by xmotex
The only aircraft I've seen confirmed down with any certainty is this one which is claimed to be a Georgian aircraft downed over Ossetia.

It's hard to tell what it was, maybe a Georgian L-29 or L-39?

I doubt, in general, that Georgia can offer significant opposition to the Russian Air Force.

It appears their most advanced aircraft are a quartet of Su-24's.

Very little can be gathered from that video. It does not show any filming prior to the last few seconds of some metal falling like a brick out of the sky. It is very awkward to say the least.

reply to post by NovusOrdoMundi


I can throw a little color to that US (GANG) unit that was recently over there. It was a good info by the way 1/121 is one of GA's two infantry battallions. I've been out of the Guard for 4 years now but might still have some connections in that unit. It's changed from heavy to light since it's Iraq rotation and last I heard was headed to Afghanistan next year. At first I thought it might have been H Company 121st out of Ft. Gillem in Atlanta which is still, I believe a Long Range Surveillance company that might as well be an active unit (most of it's members are rangers and also that unit supports state law enforcement quite a bit). The Georgia Guard (USANG) has had been training with Georgia annually or semi-anually for over a decade now. I was kinda surprised to see it being 1/121st as opposed to H 121st to be honest. I might have to see if I can talk to some old friends over the weekend.

reply to post by jefwane


I read an article that said there were US personnel at the base when it was bombed, but there were no reports of casualties yet. I'm trying to find the article again.

I don't know what "US personnel" means. I don't know if that means troops, such as these National Guard troops or other people. The article didn't specify that.

EDIT: Here's the link. It doesn't give any sources for the information though, so I don't know how credible it is - source

[edit on 8/9/08 by NovusOrdoMundi]

reply to post by NovusOrdoMundi


Possibly, given that there were military exercises between NATO and Georgian forces about three weeks ago:

www.globalsecurity.org...

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
reply to post by jefwane

 

I read an article that said there were US personnel at the base when it was bombed, but there were no reports of casualties yet. I'm trying to find the article again.

I don't know what "US personnel" means. I don't know if that means troops, such as these National Guard troops or other people. The article didn't specify that.

It means employ,so i guess troops... If that is true.. Game on between U.S and Russia

[edit on 9-8-2008 by Rentor]

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
reply to post by jefwane

 

I read an article that said there were US personnel at the base when it was bombed, but there were no reports of casualties yet. I'm trying to find the article again.

I don't know what "US personnel" means. I don't know if that means troops, such as these National Guard troops or other people. The article didn't specify that.

EDIT: Here's the link. It doesn't give any sources for the information though, so I don't know how credible it is - source

[edit on 8/9/08 by NovusOrdoMundi]

Actually, early this morning, CNN ran a scroll that said something like "Russia declares war on U.S." and something like because some Americans were killed in the strikes. They never repeated it and never addressed it. I'm thinking maybe someone jumped the gun and released the Georgian War Day 2 information they've been fed a day early.



[edit on 9-8-2008 by ~Lucidity]

Georgian troops from Iraq are to deploy from there Today(8-9-08).To fight the war in Georgia.
Just read somewhere the U.S defense official allowed it(or most likely that he will)

That's what Georgia was asking.

Somehow I don't think 2,000 troops are going to help against the Russian military. They're going to need alot more resources.

reply to post by jetxnet


like all the nato nations? does that apply to georgia with their almost approved status? and wouldn't that make it all the more important to sort out the exact timeline and details? kind of hard to do with so little real news coming out of there, eh?

Originally posted by jetxnet
That's what Georgia was asking.

Somehow I don't think 2,000 troops are going to help against the Russian military. They're going to need alot more resources.

It was asked and just been answered

Yeah Lucidity, it's hard to make anything of it. The MSM Internet sites take the weekend off and update them rarely. Even if you can believe the garbage they're posting in the first place most of the time.

I know there have been tensions between the US and Russia before this started with regard to Georgia.

Whoever said 8-8-8 would trigger a chain of events was certainly right.

[edit on 9-8-2008 by jetxnet]

Originally posted by jetxnet
Yeah Lucidity, it's hard to make anything of it. The MSM Internet sites take the weekend off and update them rarely. Even if you can believe the garbage they're posting in the first place most of the time.

I know there have been tensions between the US and Russia before this started with regard to Georgia.

Whoever said 8-8-8 would trigger a chain of events was certainly right.

[edit on 9-8-2008 by jetxnet]

Suppose so,it was predicted WW3 start sometime in August of 08 scary