Russia/Georgia Situation News & Updates

reply to post by 27jd


I think your probably right.

That second lines a bummer.

Originally posted by greenfruit
Have look at this link about American Special Forces helping to train Georgian Troops.
Georgia Train and Equip Program

Looks like alot of there light Infantry has some up-to-date training and equipment

I guess the light infantry can dig in and defend, but light infantry isn't going to be effective against Russias tanks..

There are american troops stationed in Georgia...

Thats why this can get iffy...

i think the US should stay out of this one... FAR FAR away...

[edit on 8/8/2008 by TKainZero]

Originally posted by TKainZero

Originally posted by greenfruit
Have look at this link about American Special Forces helping to train Georgian Troops.
Georgia Train and Equip Program

Looks like alot of there light Infantry has some up-to-date training and equipment

I guess the light infantry can dig in and defend, but light infantry isn't going to be effective against Russias tanks..

There are american troops stationed in Georgia...

Thats why this can get iffy...

i think the US should stay out of this one... FAR FAR away...

[edit on 8/8/2008 by TKainZero]

I think that is unpatriotic...America should jump in with bombs blazing... Kill all the reds
and any terrorists that may dwelling. If that does not work we should go after Al Q
in Russia!!!

All you anti war people BOO WOOOOOO... You hippy anti Americans should find a new country!

Support are troops in Georgia! We will never forget!

Russia Today:
Shortages of water & medicine reported.

Too bad that it's like most of the news coverages when events are going on, recaps every hour, seeing the same stuff every hour with one or two extra breaking news updates.

[edit on 8/8/08 by -0mega-]

Georgia is very pro-western and democracy. Russia's real goal has been to take over Georgia and once again make it part of the Russian Federation.

If Russia takes over Georgia, they will no doubt go after Ukraine eventually and other remenants that are now democracies of the old Russian empire.

Russia should be stopped now.



[edit on 8-8-2008 by jetxnet]

reply to post by mental modulator


Dude, if you have seen any of my posts, you should know im the farest thing from a unpatriotic, anti-war, lefty...

I just think that this isnt the buisness of the US...

This isnt an attack on a Nato country, or a Strong ally.

This is a Former Soviot Republic, and within that stats, there is a region that 'rebeled' againt Georgia.

The Georgia goverment then attacked the Rebelious region.

The rebilion region has been its own unrecognized region for over a decade... And had developed STRONG tries with the Russians...

The Georgia goverment then started attacking and killing the people of this region. South Ossedia... We have no idea how many have been killed, thosands at least.

Now, the Russias are coming in TO DEFEND THE REGION of South Odessia. This is a small region.

The US and UN, and Nato, and the EU should do something, but to throw ourselfs into war is just insane...

If we havent learned by now that involving ourselvs in the affairs of others, were screwed...


Let Russia do thier thing here for the next day or so, and HOPEFULLY things will stablisze...


I don't want to start WWIII over the 'Other' Georgia...

Originally posted by jetxnet
Georgia is very pro-western and democracy. Russia's real goal has been to take over Georgia and once again make it part of the Russian Federation.

If Russia takes over Georgia, they will no doubt go after Ukraine eventually and other remenants that are now democracies of the old Russian empire.

Russia should be stopped now.



[edit on 8-8-2008 by jetxnet]

Ohh boy.You call this democratic and pro what ?
With the goverment beating on protestors and shuting down tv stations.

video






[edit on 8-8-2008 by pepsi78]

Russia sees it like this:

If Kosovo can have independence, why can't the Ossetians? There's 70, 000 of them, and they're ethnically different to Georgians.

Also, there's the delicate issue of the BP pipeline.

Not to mention Georgia wanting in on NATO, while the US sprouts 'missile defense' silos all around in Russia's backyard.

[edit on 8-8-2008 by mattguy404]

I don't think the US should go mess with another reigional conflict, that we know nothing about...

Has anyone ever heard of Ossetia before the last 2 days?
No.

Most people, if you asked them to point to Georgia on a Map, would either have no idea, or point to the US State... Most people couldn't give you a 5 second history lesson on Georgia...

Lets leave this to them...

This is another Kosovo situation... THE WORST THING would be to intervenve in this mess, and get involed.

I dont think this has anything to do with the US...

The only thing that could be threatened here, is mabye an oil pipeline that isnt even built yet...

The West wants to be able to have a pipeline out of the Caspian Sea, WITHOUT going thru the middle east... Thru Georgia, and into the Black sea was the answer...

This hurts Global Oil Intrests, more then the US itself...

Some more info:

Georgia to impose martial law, port bombed: official

TBILISI (Reuters) - Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili will declare martial law in a few hours time, the secretary of Georgia's Security Council said early on Saturday.

"The president is going to declare a state of martial law within a few hours," Kakha Lomaia told Reuters. "Russia has bombed the (Black Sea) port of Poti and the military base at Senaki. We think Russia has started to bomb civil and economic infrastructure."

In the port of Poti, the Russian fighter jets hit container tankers and a shipbuilding plant, Georgia's Deputy Economic Development Minister Vato Lezhava told Reuters. He said between 8 and 11 Russian jets were involved in the attack.

Reuters.com

As I said in the other thread, this isn't really a response to Georgia's action, but a response to Georgia's bid to join NATO.

Russia does not want NATO on it's borders, and they're making it clear that they're willing to go to war to prevent it.

Everything else is fluff.

Originally posted by xmotex
As I said in the other thread, this isn't really a response to Georgia's action, but a response to Georgia's bid to join NATO.

Russia does not want NATO on it's borders, and they're making it clear that they're willing to go to war to prevent it.

Everything else is fluff.

But the Uklraine and Georgia were DENIEDED entrance into NATO...

So, there is something alse here...


IF Georgia was part of Nato, we would be in a state of WW... but now... this is realy confusing...

reply to post by chips


Well...

Actuly, as i read more, i get more info...

Russia is realy starting to Give it to Georgia now...

They are attacking places, that are no WHERE NEAR the disputed region... its over a 100 miles from 'South Ossetia'

Doesnt geogia have any reginal allies? Or is this realy going to be on the US to do something...

The UN is toothless... but this thing just keeps esculating, and bush sits in china, and the world doesnt give a hoot!

[edit on 8/8/2008 by TKainZero]

en.wikipedia.org...:Caucasus-ethnic_en.svg


Heres a good breakdown of the reginoal populations

The Area where the main fighting is, is seperated but a dotted line in Northern-centeral georgia.

reply to post by TKainZero


Only temporarily.

At the Bucharest conference they were basically told NATO membership was not an "if" but a "when."

They've been trying to join, and Bush has been pressing to get them in.

Russia basically needs to ensure "regime change" if they've decided it's strategically vital to keep NATO out of Georgia, and I think this tells us that they have.

That's also why I don't think they'll stay in the disputed region.

Well I guess this means Georgia is going to pull all of their soldiers out of Iraq so they can defend their homeland. Not that they would be wrong in any way, I think in this situation it's expected. Some close friends in my unit where at a FoB what was made up of mostly Georgian soldiers.

I'm can't tell you about them first hand but rumor has it that it was kind of hard living with them. That's as far as I am going to go. It would suck to go from fighting a war in one country to fighting a war in your own country.

As for good guys and bad guys in this current situation. I really don't read all sorts of the news. I know first hand that a lot of times reporters will talk with people and then write their story. Pretty much every time you read the news, whatever news you read or watch, it's pretty much crap. Some people think they are reading better news than other people but they are getting the same crap everyone else is getting. Different crap, yet the same. Think about that.

So when Russia reports that they are doing the right thing, I don't believe it. Are they doing the wrong thing? Who knows, I don't. It's most likely somewhere in the middle, most things are. But are they going to go off and report that they are doing something wrong? No way in hell. Not till they get caught with their pants down. Like John Edwards. I feel for that guy. Hes got it bad right now.

I believe Russia will take this little too far and someone will have to step in

This is my take on the situation, for what it's worth.

There is a complex tangle of interrelated problems at the heart of a tug of war between U.S./E.U. influence and Russia. Russia has never been happy with Georgia's coziness with the west, and in particular takes issue with Georgia's aspirations to join NATO. The Putin era saw a concerted effort on Russia's part to reassert its powers within what it views as its geopolitical sphere of influence, right at a time when U.S. policy was essentially to expand its own influence right into Russia's back yard so as to prevent a Russian "reemergence" as PNAC's "Rebuilding America's Defenses" put it. I imagine Russia and the U.S. as well as E.U. states care less about the status of Ossetia than they do about these larger geopolitical implications in the longer term.

Meanwhile, there is an oil pipeline which transits Georgia, allowing Europe and the U.S. to bypass Iran and Russia entirely and pump oil from Azerbaijan and the Caspian. This too is no doubt a bone of contention between Russia and the west, and we all know what a spark any threat to oil can be in such conflicts.

If Russia was ever going to make a move in Georgia, it needed to do so before Georgia joined NATO, because as we all know, an attack on one is an attack on all. I therefore fear that, if Russia perceives that it can inflict damage on Georgia militarily or, more importantly, economically and industrially, that they will then do so to a degree exceeding that which is necessary to retake South Ossetia. They wouldn't pass up the opportunity to capitalize on this conflict knowing that they might not get another crack at it without more direct western intervention in the future. The fact that the world has its hands full with other conflicts at the moment isn't lost on them either, I expect.

I very much doubt NATO will become involved directly in the conflict. It's more likely that a U.N. brokered peace keeping deal will be made (again,) but this time probably one more favorable to Russia. The other alternative is one which penalizes Russia as the aggressor, and benefits Georgia. I believe that would further irritate Russia, and lead to greater tension between them and the west, or even in their refusal to withdraw. They won't give up the upper hand once they have it unless they get something in return.

That's my hypothesis at least.

Originally posted by mental modulator

All you anti war people BOO WOOOOOO... You hippy anti Americans should find a new country!

Support are troops in Georgia! We will never forget!

this is probably the most ignorant post in this very long and very heated topic. are you actually serious?

Originally posted by ~Lucidity

Originally posted by mental modulator

All you anti war people BOO WOOOOOO... You hippy anti Americans should find a new country!

Support are troops in Georgia! We will never forget!

this is probably the most ignorant post in this very long and very heated topic. are you actually serious?

I do belive he was joking.