Putin issues fresh demands to Ukraine to end war

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

The United States Navy operates 14 nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs).

Russia operates 11 nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs) in its fleet.

Do you really think Russia is incapable of inflicting serious damage to the US and or England? You had better think again.

Each modern nuclear ballistic missile can carry up to 10 warheads each.




A couple of 3 or 4 Posidon nuclear torpedoes would almost wipe Britain of the map.

Exactly.
There is a lot of western arrogance on this thread.
The war will not be in Ukraine or the Wests favour.

a reply to: Vermilion

Yes he will.

a reply to: Boomer1947

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Vermilion

Any sign of Russia taking the whole of Ukraine?

Any time soon?

How long has Russia been bogged down in this war?

How many Russian casualties has Putin thrown into the meat grinder?

I wish I had a crystal ball.
Who knows.

Russia is sitting in crimea eating borscht and drinking vodka just waiting for more ducks to shoot in the kill zone.
The defenses are hardened and Ukraine can’t do a thing but throw a few drones out.
Time is on russias side, not Ukraines.
Russia is using convicts and dregs.

Do you think Ukraines manpower can outlast Russia?

How is that working out for the Black Sea Fleet?

I think it’s awesome they turned Russian ships into subs.👍

Russia deserves more punishment like that.

Do you think Ukraines manpower can outlast Russia?

I don't think it has to.

Why don’t you think that?

Already explained.

Ukraine is under no obligation to fight the war Russia wants.

Can you think of a single significant example in last say 100 years where war was decided by which side ran out of manpower?

Russia is driving this war.
They are killing more Ukrainians than they are losing themselves.

Evidence of this?

We can throw out each others sources all day and not agree, so it’s not relevant.

I’m guessing your sources would say Russia is losing more men per month than Ukraine.
For this arguments sake I’ll agree to that.

Do you think that Ukraines manpower can still outlast Russia’s?

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Vermilion

Any sign of Russia taking the whole of Ukraine?

Any time soon?

How long has Russia been bogged down in this war?

How many Russian casualties has Putin thrown into the meat grinder?

I wish I had a crystal ball.
Who knows.

Russia is sitting in crimea eating borscht and drinking vodka just waiting for more ducks to shoot in the kill zone.
The defenses are hardened and Ukraine can’t do a thing but throw a few drones out.
Time is on russias side, not Ukraines.
Russia is using convicts and dregs.

Do you think Ukraines manpower can outlast Russia?

How is that working out for the Black Sea Fleet?

I think it’s awesome they turned Russian ships into subs.👍

Russia deserves more punishment like that.

Do you think Ukraines manpower can outlast Russia?

I don't think it has to.

Why don’t you think that?

Already explained.

Ukraine is under no obligation to fight the war Russia wants.

Can you think of a single significant example in last say 100 years where war was decided by which side ran out of manpower?

Russia is driving this war.
They are killing more Ukrainians than they are losing themselves.

Evidence of this?

We can throw out each others sources all day and not agree, so it’s not relevant.

I’m guessing your sources would say Russia is losing more men per month than Ukraine.
For this arguments sake I’ll agree to that.

Do you think that Ukraines manpower can still outlast Russia’s?

It was relevant as you made the claim.

Already answered your question.

a reply to: charlest2


Back again?

a reply to: kwaka

The territories sound reasonable.

Unless of course if you're Ukrainian and you don't want to be forced to endure Russian control yet again.

And what right has Putin got to demand that an independent country can not join an organisation if it wishes?
Surely that's part of being independent, being able to choose for yourself, isn't it?
Or don't you think Ukraine has a right to Self-Determination or even have a say in this?

Funny, everyone giving their opinion on this and what will happen if Biden or Trump get re-elected.....no-on considered what Ukraine wants or don't they matter?

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Vermilion

Any sign of Russia taking the whole of Ukraine?

Any time soon?

How long has Russia been bogged down in this war?

How many Russian casualties has Putin thrown into the meat grinder?

I wish I had a crystal ball.
Who knows.

Russia is sitting in crimea eating borscht and drinking vodka just waiting for more ducks to shoot in the kill zone.
The defenses are hardened and Ukraine can’t do a thing but throw a few drones out.
Time is on russias side, not Ukraines.
Russia is using convicts and dregs.

Do you think Ukraines manpower can outlast Russia?

How is that working out for the Black Sea Fleet?

I think it’s awesome they turned Russian ships into subs.👍

Russia deserves more punishment like that.

Do you think Ukraines manpower can outlast Russia?

I don't think it has to.

Why don’t you think that?

Already explained.

Ukraine is under no obligation to fight the war Russia wants.

Can you think of a single significant example in last say 100 years where war was decided by which side ran out of manpower?

Russia is driving this war.
They are killing more Ukrainians than they are losing themselves.

Evidence of this?

Last but not least, even if the West did come through with all the weapons they have pledged, “we don’t have the men to use them,” one of Zelensky’s close aides told Time’s Shuster, revealing that the average age of a Ukrainian soldier has already reached 43.1 That third revelation is, perhaps, the most consequential of the revelations that Shuster—who has been relentlessly covering post-Soviet conflicts for decades—makes in his Nov. 1 article.

www.russiamatters.org...

What's the average age of a US soldier?

In 2022, the average age of an active-duty military member across all branches was 28.5 years old. By branch, the youngest to oldest average ages were:

Marine Corps (25.3 years)
Army (28.9 years)
Navy (29.0 years)
Air Force (29.2 years)
Space Force (31.4 years)

usafacts.org...#:~:text=What's%20the%20average%20age%20of,branches%20was% 2028.5%20years%20old.

If you join the US military at 18, put your 20 years on, you retire at 38.

a reply to: Vermilion

If possible, let's look at this situation realistically. If Putin has sacrificed 60,000 of his nation's finest and 4X that many irreparably maimed for life to stop Western aggression to their front doorstep, would you not demand concessions as well?

I wouldn't settle for anything less and neither will Putin. The West thinks Putin is running a bluff. He isn't!

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Vermilion

Any sign of Russia taking the whole of Ukraine?

Any time soon?

How long has Russia been bogged down in this war?

How many Russian casualties has Putin thrown into the meat grinder?

I wish I had a crystal ball.
Who knows.

Russia is sitting in crimea eating borscht and drinking vodka just waiting for more ducks to shoot in the kill zone.
The defenses are hardened and Ukraine can’t do a thing but throw a few drones out.
Time is on russias side, not Ukraines.
Russia is using convicts and dregs.

Do you think Ukraines manpower can outlast Russia?

How is that working out for the Black Sea Fleet?

I think it’s awesome they turned Russian ships into subs.👍

Russia deserves more punishment like that.

Do you think Ukraines manpower can outlast Russia?

I don't think it has to.

Why don’t you think that?

Already explained.

Ukraine is under no obligation to fight the war Russia wants.

Can you think of a single significant example in last say 100 years where war was decided by which side ran out of manpower?

Russia is driving this war.
They are killing more Ukrainians than they are losing themselves.

Evidence of this?

Last but not least, even if the West did come through with all the weapons they have pledged, “we don’t have the men to use them,” one of Zelensky’s close aides told Time’s Shuster, revealing that the average age of a Ukrainian soldier has already reached 43.1 That third revelation is, perhaps, the most consequential of the revelations that Shuster—who has been relentlessly covering post-Soviet conflicts for decades—makes in his Nov. 1 article.

www.russiamatters.org...

What's the average age of a US soldier?

In 2022, the average age of an active-duty military member across all branches was 28.5 years old. By branch, the youngest to oldest average ages were:

Marine Corps (25.3 years)
Army (28.9 years)
Navy (29.0 years)
Air Force (29.2 years)
Space Force (31.4 years)

usafacts.org...#:~:text=What's%20the%20average%20age%20of,branches%20was% 2028.5%20years%20old.

If you join the US military at 18, put your 20 years on, you retire at 38.

Is the US currently fighting a war against an invading force several times it size?

Also not evidence of the claim made.

originally posted by: charlest2
a reply to: Vermilion

If possible, let's look at this situation realistically. If Putin has sacrificed 60,000 of his nation's finest and 4X that many irreparably maimed for life to stop Western aggression to their front doorstep, would you not demand concessions as well?

I wouldn't settle for anything less and neither will Putin. The West thinks Putin is running a bluff. He isn't!

Western aggression being Russia invading neighbouring countries?

a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Back again?

You are so irresistible, I am almost titillatingly orgasmic partaking of such an intellectually challenging conversation with you.

a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Do you understand perspective.

The average age of the Ukrainian military is 43, and getting older as more die.

Most US military personnel put their time in and retire before 40. The Ukraine is using an army on average 3 years older than when most Military personal in the us retire.

It’s a huge problem the average age of the Ukraine military is 43 and getting older. They are not filling their ranks with younger people. Why.

originally posted by: charlest2
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

You are so irresistible, I am almost titillatingly orgasmic partaking of such an intellectually challenging conversation with you.

You could at least buy me dinner first before that kind of talk.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Do you understand perspective.

The average age of the Ukrainian military is 43, and getting older as more die.

Most US military personnel put their time in and retire before 40. The Ukraine is using an army on average 3 years older than when most Military personal in the IS retire.

It’s a huge problem the average age of the Ukraine military is 43 and getting older. They are not filling their ranks with younger people. Why.

As already pointed out the situation in Ukraine is maybe slightly different from the US.

And still doesn't support the claim.

a reply to: Lazy88

Their upper age limit for conscription is 60 years old. They are putting old men on the front lines as cannon fodder.

originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Sounds good to me, at least it opens dialogue. An agreement not to join NATO and perhaps some sort of autonomy for the four provinces could be negotiated.

You understand Obama agreed and promised no NATO for Ukraine. So why is that hard for us to do?

a reply to: charlest2

"A couple of 3 or 4 Posidon nuclear torpedoes would almost wipe Britain of the map."

We've done this before. At 2 megatons each, no they won't.

Our Trident response, on the other hand??

Never heard of M.A.D?

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise


And still doesn't support the claim.

WTF?

Two years of war in Ukraine: A catastrophic effect on demographics
The country's birth rate has collapsed. The separation of couples, with millions of women and children leaving the country, has been compounded by male mortality.
By Emmanuel Grynszpan (with Léa Sanchez)
Published on February 26, 2024, at 4:50 am (Paris), updated on February 26, 2024, at 7:18 am
3 min read

Lire en français

www.lemonde.fr...

What pool of people are going to fill the ranks as more Ukraine soldiers die?

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise


And still doesn't support the claim.

WTF?

Two years of war in Ukraine: A catastrophic effect on demographics
The country's birth rate has collapsed. The separation of couples, with millions of women and children leaving the country, has been compounded by male mortality.
By Emmanuel Grynszpan (with Léa Sanchez)
Published on February 26, 2024, at 4:50 am (Paris), updated on February 26, 2024, at 7:18 am
3 min read

Lire en français

www.lemonde.fr...

What pool of people are going to fill the ranks as more Ukraine soldiers die?

The claim was Ukraine was lossing more men than Russia. No evidence has been provided for this.

What's the minimum conscription age in Russia compared to Ukraine and what impact would that have on average age in the military?