Putin issues fresh demands to Ukraine to end war

originally posted by: charlest2
a reply to: BedevereTheWise
So why didn't Viktor Yanukovych strike a sought-after deal with the West in which he negotiated in good faith to achieve? Because the US and EU were demanding far too many economic concessions he could not agree to.

That's why. The West and EU were intent on plundering Ukraine and Viktor Yanukovych could not agree with the terms demanded of him.

Know your history.

I see what old carpy t means about laughs.

That definitely an alternative version of history.

a reply to: BedevereTheWise

Yep. Viktor could teach the West and the EU a thing or two about plundering Ukraine.

a reply to: BedevereTheWise

You think what you will at this point. I don't care because no honest discussion will sway you from your distorted perspective and opinion.

Carry on.

a reply to: charlest2

And...your back in the room.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Have a good day Oldcrappy.

Oops, carpy! A spelling error.

a reply to: charlest2

I am. Watching the Euros.

"Oldcrappy"? How original.

Chucky boy.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Some people just do not know when to stop digging.

a reply to: charlest2

Irony?

originally posted by: charlest2
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

You think what you will at this point. I don't care because no honest discussion will sway you from your distorted perspective and opinion.

Carry on.

Mirror for Charlest2.

a reply to: BedevereTheWise

From the link..

reflecting Moscow's growing confidence that its forces have the upper hand in the war.

The reality is that Russia does indeed possess the upper hand.
This would be a good starting point for negotiations.
This deal sucks yet considering the alternative, Ukraine losing the whole country, it’s a workable start to something peaceful.
Each day that war rages, the less leverage Ukraine has.
They don’t have unlimited meat bags to throw in the pile.
Time is not on their side.
They can’t win a war of attrition versus Russia.
Ask Nazi Germany how that ends.

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

From the link..

reflecting Moscow's growing confidence that its forces have the upper hand in the war.

The reality is that Russia does indeed possess the upper hand.
This would be a good starting point for negotiations.
This deal sucks yet considering the alternative, Ukraine losing the whole country, it’s a workable start to something peaceful.
Each day that war rages, the less leverage Ukraine has.
They don’t have unlimited meat bags to throw in the pile.
Time is not on their side.
They can’t win a war of attrition versus Russia.
Ask Nazi Germany how that ends.

We are in year 3 of a war in which Russia held every card at the start and is still no where near anything that could be described as a victory. This conflict has been a disaster for Russia on every level

My history may be a bit hazy but I seem to recall the NAZIs were the ones doing the invading in ww2. Who is that this time round?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Did you have to look that word up in your thesaurus? Grammarly is a good source.

irony
noun
1. the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect

a reply to: Vermilion

Any sign of Russia taking the whole of Ukraine?

Any time soon?

How long has Russia been bogged down in this war?

How many Russian casualties has Putin thrown into the meat grinder?

a reply to: charlest2

No. I know what "irony" means, sport.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Edit: That's enough of this bantering back an forth.

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

From the link..

reflecting Moscow's growing confidence that its forces have the upper hand in the war.

The reality is that Russia does indeed possess the upper hand.
This would be a good starting point for negotiations.
This deal sucks yet considering the alternative, Ukraine losing the whole country, it’s a workable start to something peaceful.
Each day that war rages, the less leverage Ukraine has.
They don’t have unlimited meat bags to throw in the pile.
Time is not on their side.
They can’t win a war of attrition versus Russia.
Ask Nazi Germany how that ends.

We are in year 3 of a war in which Russia held every card at the start and is still no where near anything that could be described as a victory. This conflict has been a disaster for Russia on every level

My history may be a bit hazy but I seem to recall the NAZIs were the ones doing the invading in ww2. Who is that this time round?

Your history is correct.
Don’t forget the part where the Nazis got utterly demolished and Russia ended up in Berlin.
Just replace Nazi with Ukrainian and Berlin with Kiev.
The Russians aren’t even close to “all in”.
Russia has a stack of chips too high to bluff them.

Do you think Ukraine has the men to outlast a war of attrition with Russia?

a reply to: charlest2

Have you swallowed a dictionary?

I do speak English, you know?

Do you know what "ad hominem" means?

a reply to: charlest2

Off you flounce. Again. For now.

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

From the link..

reflecting Moscow's growing confidence that its forces have the upper hand in the war.

The reality is that Russia does indeed possess the upper hand.
This would be a good starting point for negotiations.
This deal sucks yet considering the alternative, Ukraine losing the whole country, it’s a workable start to something peaceful.
Each day that war rages, the less leverage Ukraine has.
They don’t have unlimited meat bags to throw in the pile.
Time is not on their side.
They can’t win a war of attrition versus Russia.
Ask Nazi Germany how that ends.

We are in year 3 of a war in which Russia held every card at the start and is still no where near anything that could be described as a victory. This conflict has been a disaster for Russia on every level

My history may be a bit hazy but I seem to recall the NAZIs were the ones doing the invading in ww2. Who is that this time round?

Your history is correct.
Don’t forget the part where the Nazis got utterly demolished and Russia ended up in Berlin.
Just replace Nazi with Ukrainian and Berlin with Kiev.
The Russians aren’t even close to “all in”.
Russia has a stack of chips too high to bluff them.

Do you think Ukraine has the men to outlast a war of attrition with Russia?

Your analogy seem a bit mixed up with who is the aggressor.

I don't think Ukraine is fighting a war of attrition with Russia. Russia may be fighting a war of attrition with Ukraine which would explain its lack of success

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Vermilion

Any sign of Russia taking the whole of Ukraine?

Any time soon?

How long has Russia been bogged down in this war?

How many Russian casualties has Putin thrown into the meat grinder?

I wish I had a crystal ball.
Who knows.

Russia is sitting in crimea eating borscht and drinking vodka just waiting for more ducks to shoot in the kill zone.
The defenses are hardened and Ukraine can’t do a thing but throw a few drones out.
Time is on russias side, not Ukraines.
Russia is using convicts and dregs.

Do you think Ukraines manpower can outlast Russia?