Putin issues fresh demands to Ukraine to end war

originally posted by: VariedcodeSole

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: VariedcodeSole

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: VariedcodeSole

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: VariedcodeSole
This will be flat out rejected.

Try to keep up. The West is hell bent on maintaining and escalating a conflict with Russia. I always enjoy the sycophant enticing topics on here.

Russia invaded Ukraine.

Try to keep up.

So what?

Try minding your own business.

Do you get the point of this site?

We discuss things.

Participation is not mandatory.

Yeah. Been here ~10 years. This is not a discussion. This is a waste of time. Whereas most wish for a peaceful solution, you have others that wish for more death and misery.

It's nuts.

Yes one side invaded another country resulting in thousands of deaths. That same side could end the war today but chooses not to.

Not for a lack of trying. The US WON'T ENTERTAIN ANY TALKS. How can you deescalate this without open communication?

Again Russia is the aggressor

It can withdraw right now and the killing would stop.

I don't have to defend not being psychotic.

You want more war? You'll get your fill. Other people want to explore other options.

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: VariedcodeSole

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: VariedcodeSole

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: VariedcodeSole

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

originally posted by: VariedcodeSole
This will be flat out rejected.

Try to keep up. The West is hell bent on maintaining and escalating a conflict with Russia. I always enjoy the sycophant enticing topics on here.

Russia invaded Ukraine.

Try to keep up.

So what?

Try minding your own business.

Do you get the point of this site?

We discuss things.

Participation is not mandatory.

Yeah. Been here ~10 years. This is not a discussion. This is a waste of time. Whereas most wish for a peaceful solution, you have others that wish for more death and misery.

It's nuts.

Yes one side invaded another country resulting in thousands of deaths. That same side could end the war today but chooses not to.

Not for a lack of trying. The US WON'T ENTERTAIN ANY TALKS. How can you deescalate this without open communication?

Again Russia is the aggressor

It can withdraw right now and the killing would stop.

Thank you Secretary BedevereTheWise.

a reply to: VariedcodeSole

So, say I invaded your house and started killing your family and I say "let me keep half your house and the killing will stop", you'd go with that?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: VariedcodeSole

So, say I invaded your house and started killing your family and I say "let me keep half your house and the killing will stop", you'd go with that?

"Why do you make me keep hitting you"
- V Putin (probably)

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

So you are pro land grabs by military force?

You realize that's how every country was founded?

Putin would get that result in the end anyway.

Saudi Arabia has de-pegged oil from the dollar. It's only a matter of time before the US dollar collapses now, and our money stops flowing to Ukraine's oligarchs.

China will help Russia wait us out.

a reply to: kwaka

Looks more like Israel has invaded the US from who is giving the orders.

Israel / AIPAC has controlled the US government long time.

In regard to Ukraine the US is doing what the Leader of the Free World needs to do against a totalitarian aggressor.

originally posted by: VariedcodeSole
I don't have to defend not being psychotic.

You want more war? You'll get your fill. Other people want to explore other options.

Being pro land grabs is a little bit psychotic.

Thought you should know.

originally posted by: watchitburn

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

So you are pro land grabs by military force?

You realize that's how every country was founded?

Putin would get that result in the end anyway.

Saudi Arabia has de-pegged oil from the dollar. It's only a matter of time before the US dollar collapses now, and our money stops flowing to Ukraine's oligarchs.

China will help Russia wait us out.

The civilised workd has been moving away from that for some time. Putin might want to catch up.

He hasn't been overly successful so far.

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

face any consequences.

Oh, many Russians paid the consequences. Buy those that supply the war machine see it definitely.

Remarks by President Biden and President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of Ukraine in Joint Press Conference | Fasano, Italy


And this is something that will not only provide security but also new, good jobs for Ukrainians and Americans.

www.whitehouse.gov... press-conference-fasano-italy/

I’m for fighting Putin. But the Ukraine has turned into a huge money laundering and pocket lining operation. Those that don’t get that are idiots.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

face any consequences.

Oh, many Russians paid the consequences. Buy those that supply the war machine see it definitely.

Remarks by President Biden and President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of Ukraine in Joint Press Conference | Fasano, Italy

www.whitehouse.gov... press-conference-fasano-italy/

And this is something that will not only provide security but also new, good jobs for Ukrainians and Americans.

www.whitehouse.gov... press-conference-fasano-italy/

I’m for fighting Putin. But the Ukraine has turned into a huge money laundering and pocket lining operation. Those that don’t get that are idiots.

Wars cost money. Defending yourself from a much larger more powerful neighbour costs lots of money.

The idea that significant resources are going to line people pockets in Ukraine is fantasy.

originally posted by: gortex

Israel / AIPAC has controlled the US government long time.

Really? State? Federal? City? Township? Military? US colleges? School boards? City council? County commissioners? State police? County sheriff? City cops? Judges?

Was it the “Jews” Biden went begging for oil from?

Biden Begged Saudis to Pump Oil to Sway Midterm Elections

www.johnlocke.org...

You must see Jews everywhere.
😆

a reply to: watchitburn

Saudi Arabia has de-pegged oil from the dollar. It's only a matter of time before the US dollar collapses now

Well, we’re the number one producer of oil, and the USD is up against most major currencies today.

Maybe all the doom porn isn’t sticking as much as people are acting like it should.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

no NATO membership for Ukraine

An admission that Russia are no match to NATO.

an end to sanctions.

An admission that sanctions are hurting.

That's all we need to know.

Well come on "an admission to Russia that they are no match for NATO" let's get real here NATO is 34 countries I believe. 1 country versus 34 countries, hmmmm. If there was ever a full out war with RUSSIA and NATO is not gonna be conventional

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise

The idea that significant resources are going to line people pockets in Ukraine is fantasy.

God bless the ignorant..

How Deep Does Corruption Run in Ukraine?

foreignpolicy.com...#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20most%20widely,be%20as%20corrupt%20as%20Russ ia.


During a recent off-the-record think tank discussion on Ukraine, a respected journalist raised the issue of the damaging effects that Ukraine’s ongoing corruption issues have had on U.S. congressional Republican support for the country as it resists Russia’s invasion. The journalist’s comment, of course, was not the first about what has become a bugbear for Ukraine’s friends and enemies alike. Indeed, corruption in Ukraine’s economy, and more recently within its military structures, is a problem that needs to be addressed forcefully and forthrightly by Ukraine’s leaders.

Same article..

First, it’s necessary to be precise about the scale of the problem. Because corruption is hidden, estimating its scale is always problematic. According to the most widely cited source—the annual ranking of corruption by Transparency International (TI)—Ukraine has scored poorly for decades. As late as 2016, amid major anti-corruption reforms, TI’s survey still judged Ukraine to be as corrupt as Russia. The most recent TI index suggests that Ukraine has made some strides since then, but it still ranks 104th among 180 countries. Denmark is ranked first—meaning that it is perceived as cleanest—while Russia ranks 141st.

In other words, they know it’s a big problem people are getting rich lining their pockets. And they are never going to be honest about that. Like you now being disingenuous. Politicians are getting rich off this war.

originally posted by: TheMisguidedAngel

originally posted by: BedevereTheWise
Putin sets out his demands for a peace deal.

International recognition for territories Russia has claimed (even those not under Russian control), no NATO membership for Ukraine and an end to sanctions.

Anyone still think Putin actually wants peace?

Is he delusional enough to believe this is going to happen?

www.reuters.com...

I dont think a deal like this is very "delusional" at all. The areas under Russia control have mostly been that way since 2014, so 10 years already. These areas in the East are all vast majority ethnic Russian and Russian speaking and mostly identify as Russian. Trust me any Ukrainians that aren't pro Russian have left these Eastern areas a long, long, long time ago, before the sun, before the snow.

Stopping the blood shed is worth it alone and I bet the people would be happy with this happening so their family members can come home alive if they haven't died already.

Of course this won't happen though because there is no way the US would allow it to happen because like Lindsey Graham said "We aren't giving all those resources to Russia and China"

Not to mention I don't think the US is very happy getting their 1000 troops kicked out of NIGER and Russia getting invited to Niger to take over the $100 million dollar army bases the US built in Niger.

Ignore this post, was editing spelling and accidentally posted again

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Give it time.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Give it time.

I just find it odd the power brokers with skin in the game didn’t have a reaction today.

originally posted by: Boomer1947
a reply to: BedevereTheWise

If Trump is elected President, he probably will get all these things.

Russia got Crimea back with Obama blessing.

Ukraine under Russia attack with Biden in charge.

See the pattern? 😃😃

a reply to: BedevereTheWise

This is a discussion, a bantering back and forth I no longer have the desire or stamina to even participate in any longer. The futility of it all is more than I can bear at this point. It's been hashed and rehashed far too many times here for me to even remotely care or consider joining into.

To everyone else here, carry on.