Half a million people march in London for Palestine

a reply to: Leviathan4
a reply to: quintessentone

4. The United States does not share the view that a “right to water”—in any
of the above formulations—exists under international human rights law.
This view is informed by a review of the relevant instruments of
international human rights law. Such a review demonstrates that there is
no internationally agreed “right to water.” Neither the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) nor the International Covenant on
Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights (ICESCR) mentions water at all.

15.As noted above, while there is no “right to water” under international
law, as a matter of policy and good government it is manifest that water
is essential for the life and all individuals, and indeed for all life on earth.
Safe and accessible water supplies further the realization of certain
human rights, such as the right to a standard of living adequate for the
health and well-being of all individuals. UDHR, Art. 25. The provision
of safe and accessible water supplies may also be appropriate or even
necessary for the furthering of certain other “economic, social and
cultural rights indispensable for [one’s] dignity and the free development
of [one’s] personality.” UDHR, Art. 22. Similarly, the intentional
deprivation of water by a state based on prohibited grounds of
discrimination (e.g., on the basis of race) may also involve violations of
international human rights law.

www2.ohchr.org...

No declaration or resolution explicitly claims that access to electricity is a universal human right.Footnote15

www.tandfonline.com...

a reply to: Another_Nut

It is known that it is against International Law to target hospitals...in any way!

Under international humanitarian law, both schools and hospitals are protected civilian objects, and therefore benefit from the humanitarian principles of distinction and proportionality. Direct physical attacks and the closure of these institutions as a result of direct threats have since 2011 been added as triggers for inclusion on the list of the Secretary-General of parties to conflict committing grave violations against children in armed conflict.

childrenandarmedconflict.un.org...

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Another_Nut

Cutting off electricity to hospitals would definitely count as effecting deaths of certain patients, so those people would have survived otherwise, therefore that is tantamount to murder, IMO.

Yep! And a war crime

Yeah! It is a war crime - that which causes the death of innocent hospitalized people by cutting off the hospital's electricity.

Collective punishment.
Major reason why this demonstrations happened in London and elsewhere.

originally posted by: Another_Nut
a reply to: Leviathan4
a reply to: quintessentone

4. The United States does not share the view that a “right to water”—in any
of the above formulations—exists under international human rights law.
This view is informed by a review of the relevant instruments of
international human rights law. Such a review demonstrates that there is
no internationally agreed “right to water.” Neither the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) nor the International Covenant on
Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights (ICESCR) mentions water at all.

15.As noted above, while there is no “right to water” under international
law, as a matter of policy and good government it is manifest that water
is essential for the life and all individuals, and indeed for all life on earth.
Safe and accessible water supplies further the realization of certain
human rights, such as the right to a standard of living adequate for the
health and well-being of all individuals. UDHR, Art. 25. The provision
of safe and accessible water supplies may also be appropriate or even
necessary for the furthering of certain other “economic, social and
cultural rights indispensable for [one’s] dignity and the free development
of [one’s] personality.” UDHR, Art. 22. Similarly, the intentional
deprivation of water by a state based on prohibited grounds of
discrimination (e.g., on the basis of race) may also involve violations of
international human rights law.

www2.ohchr.org...

No declaration or resolution explicitly claims that access to electricity is a universal human right.Footnote15

www.tandfonline.com...

Attempts to apologise for the actions taken by Israel to kill thousands of innocent people.

You do understand why there are so many demonstrations around the world?

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Another_Nut

Cutting off electricity to hospitals would definitely count as effecting deaths of certain patients, so those people would have survived otherwise, therefore that is tantamount to murder, IMO.

Yep! And a war crime

Yeah! It is a war crime - that which causes the death of innocent hospitalized people by cutting off the hospital's electricity.

Collective punishment.
Major reason why this demonstrations happened in London and elsewhere.

It's madness! Now the Israeli PTB are saying they will eradicate all of Gaza and then not occupy it. Guess what will happen? Another faction will rise up and this will repeat itself all over again.

originally posted by: VermiIion
a reply to: quintessentone

So you’re saying that it’s Israel’s fault that Hamas is stealing the hospitals fuel?

originally posted by: quintessentone
Cutting off electricity to hospitals would definitely count as effecting deaths of certain patients, so those people would have survived otherwise, therefore that is tantamount to murder, IMO.

Then stealing fuel from the hospitals is the same as murder. Right?
Hamas is murdering the Palestinians whom they claim to be fighting for.
And they are storing it in civilian places making them a target!!!

IDF Recording of Hamas Stealing Fuel from Gaza Hospitals

NBC News - Hamas Hoarding Vast Amounts of Fuel as Gaza Hospitals Run Low

Evidence Shows Hamas Stealing Fuel From Gaza Hospitals

MSN - Evidence Hamas Hoarding Half Million Litres of Fuel Under Gaza Hospital

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Another_Nut

Cutting off electricity to hospitals would definitely count as effecting deaths of certain patients, so those people would have survived otherwise, therefore that is tantamount to murder, IMO.

Yep! And a war crime

Yeah! It is a war crime - that which causes the death of innocent hospitalized people by cutting off the hospital's electricity.

Collective punishment.
Major reason why this demonstrations happened in London and elsewhere.

It's madness! Now the Israeli PTB are saying they will eradicate all of Gaza and then not occupy it. Guess what will happen? Another faction will rise up and this will repeat itself all over again.

They try to bring Armageddon and WW3
Netanyahou and his Government must step down.
There needs to be more demonstrations around the world.

originally posted by: VermiIion

originally posted by: VermiIion
a reply to: quintessentone

So you’re saying that it’s Israel’s fault that Hamas is stealing the hospitals fuel?

Hospitals are still struggling to operate. If Hamas was taking all their fuel how could some of them still be up and running. You believe only what you want to believe.

Hospital runs out of fuel...NOT...hospital's fuel stolen by Hamas...

www.aljazeera.com...

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
Cutting off electricity to hospitals would definitely count as effecting deaths of certain patients, so those people would have survived otherwise, therefore that is tantamount to murder, IMO.

Then stealing fuel from the hospitals is the same as murder. Right?
Hamas is murdering the Palestinians whom they claim to be fighting for.

IDF Recording of Hamas Stealing Fuel from Gaza Hospitals

NBC News - Hamas Hoarding Vast Amounts of Fuel as Gaza Hospitals Run Low

Evidence Shows Hamas Stealing Fuel From Gaza Hospitals

MSN - Evidence Hamas Hoarding Half Million Litres of Fuel Under Gaza Hospital

How can some hospitals still be up and running if Hamas stole their fuel?

originally posted by: quintessentone
How can some hospitals still be up and running if Hamas stole their fuel?

How'd Hamas get all the fuel? The evidence shows they stole it.
Al Jazeera is Qatari state owned.
Qatar has officially stated Israel is at fault for the Oct 7 terrorist attacks.
Not exactly an unbiased source of information.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
How can some hospitals still be up and running if Hamas stole their fuel?

How'd Hamas get all the fuel? The evidence shows they stole it.
Al Jazeera is Qatari state owned.
Qatar has officially stated Israel is at fault for the Oct 7 terrorist attacks.
Not exactly an unbiased source of information.

They have been stockpiling for years before Oct. 7th as would be the logical thing to do if they were planning a strike, would it not?

a reply to: quintessentone

When a certain object is used for both military and civilian purposes, it may be held that even a secondary military use turns it into a military
objective.

hhi.harvard.edu...

originally posted by: Another_Nut
a reply to: quintessentone

When a certain object is used for both military and civilian purposes, it may be held that even a secondary military use turns it into a military
objective.

hhi.harvard.edu...

Where is the independent investigation that shows without a doubt Hamas is using hospitals as bases, either above or below ground?

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
Cutting off electricity to hospitals would definitely count as effecting deaths of certain patients, so those people would have survived otherwise, therefore that is tantamount to murder, IMO.

Then stealing fuel from the hospitals is the same as murder. Right?
Hamas is murdering the Palestinians whom they claim to be fighting for.
And they are storing it in civilian places making them a target!!!

IDF Recording of Hamas Stealing Fuel from Gaza Hospitals

NBC News - Hamas Hoarding Vast Amounts of Fuel as Gaza Hospitals Run Low

Evidence Shows Hamas Stealing Fuel From Gaza Hospitals

MSN - Evidence Hamas Hoarding Half Million Litres of Fuel Under Gaza Hospital

Apart from the off topic conversations do you really think that a link that doesn't work from the Christian Post citing the IDF is a good and credible source?!

The IDF, ADL, or whatever sources you use are obviously biased because they promote the Jewish positions and government lines, and hence dismissed.

What's next? Some link from an Evangelical Christian website?

a reply to: quintessentone

starts at 6:45

originally posted by: Another_Nut
a reply to: quintessentone

youtu.be...

"Hamas terrorists operate inside and under Shifa Hospital and other hospitals in Gaza with a network of terror tunnels," said Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, Israel's military spokesman.

Hamas vehemently denies this. The group says Israel makes these accusations to justify a relentless bombing campaign that's already killed thousands of Palestinian civilians.

www.npr.org...#:~:text=In%20a%20recent%20military%20briefing,Daniel%20Hag ari%2C%20Israel's%20military%20spokesman.

So which side is using hospital propaganda to fulfill a war agenda? Meanwhile hospital staff struggle to continue to save lives.

He said / he said.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Another_Nut

It is known that it is against International Law to target hospitals...in any way!

Under international humanitarian law, both schools and hospitals are protected civilian objects, and therefore benefit from the humanitarian principles of distinction and proportionality. Direct physical attacks and the closure of these institutions as a result of direct threats have since 2011 been added as triggers for inclusion on the list of the Secretary-General of parties to conflict committing grave violations against children in armed conflict.

childrenandarmedconflict.un.org...

Wrong, that’s not entirely true. If a hospital or school is harboring combatants, being used as a ammo depot or deemed a militarily necessity, you can bomb the # out of them. Same as if you bombed a civilian dwelling that was harboring combatants or if dwelling was sitting on a tunnel, bombs away. There’s supposedly a military command post in a basement hospital, if so, they can bomb it. No war crimes. This has been going on for decades, all countries including US have done it and again, no crime. It may not sit well in public opinion and be a gray area but it’s legal if deemed militarily necessary. Matter of fact it’s possible that the country getting bombed could be charged for using human shields which is also a war crimes. This has already been discussed in one of the other 100’s of threads the OP started on the same subject.

originally posted by: NeonKnights

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Another_Nut

It is known that it is against International Law to target hospitals...in any way!

Under international humanitarian law, both schools and hospitals are protected civilian objects, and therefore benefit from the humanitarian principles of distinction and proportionality. Direct physical attacks and the closure of these institutions as a result of direct threats have since 2011 been added as triggers for inclusion on the list of the Secretary-General of parties to conflict committing grave violations against children in armed conflict.

childrenandarmedconflict.un.org...

Wrong, that’s not entirely true. If a hospital or school is harboring combatants, being used as a ammo depot or deemed a militarily necessity, you can bomb the # out of them. Same as if you bombed a civilian dwelling that was harboring combatants or if dwelling was sitting on a tunnel, bombs away. There’s supposedly a military command post in a basement hospital, if so, they can bomb it. No war crimes. This has been going on for decades, all countries including US have done it and again, no crime. It may not sit well in public opinion and be a gray area but it’s legal if deemed militarily necessary. Matter of fact it’s possible that the country getting bombed could be charged for using human shields which is also a war crimes. This has already been discussed in one of the other 100’s of threads the OP started on the same subject.

And as I posted above he said/he said, there is no independent investigation that shows hospitals are being used as Hamas fighter bases, rather the hospitals are being reported as struggling to continue to save lives and running out of fuel, not Hamas stealing their fuel.

Why would 50,000 civilians seek safety at the courtyards of hospitals if Hamas fighters are there?

a reply to: Leviathan4

"What's next? Some link from an Evangelical Christian website?"

What is wrong with Christians expressing their views?

Have you got it in for them too?

Like Hamas does?