Half a million people march in London for Palestine

a reply to: Leviathan4

So what? What's your point supposed to be? Your muslim source from India disputes the official police numbers. Like they'd know the real numbers on the other side of the planet and the police on site wouldn't? Pffft. Meaningless.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
The Police will downplay it and that's expectable.

No they are not. There is no reason for police to 'downplay' the numbers of protesters. They are a secular and non-political source INDEPENDENT AND ON THE GROUND and give the official estimate. You have NO evidence to support this statement. None.

The slogan doesn't imply the extermination of Jews.

Yes it does. To imply it doesn't is disingenuous.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: Leviathan4

from your source
Young people, students and workers carried the Palestinian flag and chanted, “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free”,

So they were not marching for peace they were calling for the extermination of Israelis and the destruction of Israel

It also mentions the official police estiomate of 100 000.

Now, why would teh police lie about this and what EVIDENCE do you have to support any claim that they lied?

1 The Police will downplay it and that's expectable.

2 The slogan doesn't imply the extermination of Jews. It could be viewed this way but it's not really the case.

3 Did you see the part where it said there were many Jews in the demonstrations?!

1 what evidence do you have that the police downplayed this?

2 So you say, but we have already established that you can't be trusted to tell the truth on this issue.

3 No I didnt read more than I absolutely had to, it was like pouring sand into my eyes.

Why I shouldn't be trusted and why those who support Israel should be trusted?

The Police gave a figure without any evidence accompanied to it. So whatever it came to their minds and very low as an estimation as it seems. Those who were in the demonstrations said otherwise

The police ludicrously still tried to claim it was smaller than last week’s 150,000-strong demonstration, saying that around 100,000 attended. This vast playing down of its size was faithfully repeated by the media, including the Guardian.

Young people, students and workers carried the Palestinian flag and chanted, “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free”, in defiance of the Conservative government’s attempts to criminalise these actions. Noticeable was the number of homemade banners, with slogans such as “Stop killing children”, “Free, free Palestine” and “End the Occupation”. A large number of Jewish protesters took part.

It says: This vast playing down of its size was faithfully repeated by the media, including the Guardian.

It refutes the whole story and the low estimates.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
The Police will downplay it and that's expectable.

No they are not. There is no reason for police to 'downplay' the numbers of protesters. They are a secular and non-political source INDEPENDENT AND ON THE GROUND and give the official estimate. You have NO evidence to support this statement. None.

The slogan doesn't imply the extermination of Jews.

Yes it does. To imply it doesn't is disingenuous.

From my second Source

The police ludicrously still tried to claim it was smaller than last week’s 150,000-strong demonstration, saying that around 100,000 attended. This vast playing down of its size was faithfully repeated by the media, including the Guardian.

Young people, students and workers carried the Palestinian flag and chanted, “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free”, in defiance of the Conservative government’s attempts to criminalise these actions. Noticeable was the number of homemade banners, with slogans such as “Stop killing children”, “Free, free Palestine” and “End the Occupation”. A large number of Jewish protesters took part.

It says: This vast playing down of its size was faithfully repeated by the media, including the Guardian.

It refutes the whole story and the low estimates.

www.wsws.org...

You seem to be again very emotional.

Relax and realise that many around the world are against the war. That's the reality.
And they don't need to be Muslims.

a reply to: Leviathan4

The Police were actually there. Like, Policing it?

Were you there?

a reply to: Leviathan4

"That's the reality.
And they don't need to be Muslims."

No. But many are?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

The Police were actually there. Like, Policing it?

Were you there?

See this ..

The police ludicrously still tried to claim it was smaller than last week’s 150,000-strong demonstration, saying that around 100,000 attended. This vast playing down of its size was faithfully repeated by the media, including the Guardian.

Others were there ...

www.wsws.org...

originally posted by: Leviathan4
The Police gave a figure without any evidence accompanied to it.

It's their JOB to count crowds like this. They don't need 'evidence'. What kind of 'evidence' would there be? IT'S A CROWD. They know how to do professional estimates of crowds and crowd control. People who are actually IN the crowd have no idea how many people they are with. It's retarded to suggest that people marching in the crowd would know the size of the crowd they are with. The police have the professional knowledge and experience with crowds to know how to determine size.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
It refutes the whole story and the low estimates.

Because it's biased and doesn't know what it's talking about.
The police, on the other hand, DO KNOW what they are talking about.

You seem to be again very emotional.

Not me. You.

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a reply to: Leviathan4

Like who?

a reply to: Leviathan4

Now then.

So, were there any independent investigators with independent experts on the ground, counting the numbers of demonstrators?

If not, surely, it's all just speculation?

No?

a reply to: Leviathan4

The Police will downplay it and that's expectable.

Why would the police downplay it?

You complain that they supplied no sources.
They are the source - they were tasked with overseeing the whole demonstration, the policing and the security of it.
I'd say there is no better source.

The slogan doesn't imply the extermination of Jews. It could be viewed this way but it's not really the case.

How do you know that's not really the case?

Did you see the part where it said there were many Jews in the demonstrations?!

According to who?

originally posted by: Leviathan4
www.wsws.org...

Oh brother. Just took a longer look at that 'source'. A freak'n socialist outlet and they are still pushing the false narrative that Israel bombed the Gaza hospital.

Socialist Equality Party members and supporters distributed thousands of copies of the WSWS editorial board statement, “Global outrage erupts over Israeli bombing of Gaza hospital”,

Obviously they are NOT a credible source of information and their OPINION (and that's all it is) on how many people showed up at the march can be dismissed. And yeah .. it's just their opinion .. they were in the middle of the march and had no idea how to count or estimate crowds. BUT THE POLICE DO. That's their job.

"wsws" gets a double thumbs down as a 'source'.

a reply to: Leviathan4

"Relax and realise that many around the world are against the war. That's the reality.
And they don't need to be Muslims"

Relax yourself and realise that many around the World are against terrorists like Hamas, Isis, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Iran and so on.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
The Police gave a figure without any evidence accompanied to it.

It's their JOB to count crowds like this. They don't need 'evidence'. What kind of 'evidence' would there be? IT'S A CROWD. They know how to do professional estimates of crowds and crowd control. People who are actually IN the crowd have no idea how many people they are with. It's retarded to suggest that people marching in the crowd would know the size of the crowd they are with. The police have the professional knowledge and experience with crowds to know how to determine size.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
It refutes the whole story and the low estimates.

Because it's biased and doesn't know what it's talking about.
The police, on the other hand, DO KNOW what they are talking about.

You seem to be again very emotional.

Not me. You.

Yes keep arguing with yourself to find an excuse to minimise the numbers attended the demonstrations.

But the source here proves you wrong for once more

www.wsws.org...

The police ludicrously still tried to claim it was smaller than last week’s 150,000-strong demonstration, saying that around 100,000 attended. This vast playing down of its size was faithfully repeated by the media, including the Guardian.

You got the figure from the Guardian without even checking anything else

It refutes the whole story and the low estimates..

The rest of your post is just a rant where you talk to yourself.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

"Relax and realise that many around the world are against the war. That's the reality.
And they don't need to be Muslims"

Relax yourself and realise that many around the World are against terrorists like Hamas, Isis, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Iran and so on.

The people in the demonstrations went there for other reasons and not to support terrorism. You know this well and you keep making disingenuous statements.

You can be against Hamas and against the Israeli State. These two are not mutually exclusive.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
www.wsws.org...

Oh brother. Just took a longer look at that 'source'. A freak'n socialist outlet and they are still pushing the false narrative that Israel bombed the Gaza hospital.

Socialist Equality Party members and supporters distributed thousands of copies of the WSWS editorial board statement, “Global outrage erupts over Israeli bombing of Gaza hospital”,

Obviously they are NOT a credible source of information and their OPINION (and that's all it is) on how many people showed up at the march can be dismissed. And yeah .. it's just their opinion .. they were in the middle of the march and had no idea how to count or estimate crowds. BUT THE POLICE DO. That's their job.

"wsws" gets a double thumbs down as a 'source'.

Being a socialist newspaper doesn't make the news less credible.

You have cited the Guardian. What do you think the Guardian is? Right wing? It's a left wing newspaper. You have issues with them though when they give estimates of the Palestinians who died as it doesn't suit your arguments.

Your arguments are all over the place.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

Now then.

So, were there any independent investigators with independent experts on the ground, counting the numbers of demonstrators?

If not, surely, it's all just speculation?

No?

You think you have an argument?

Rockets and missiles are subject to scientific investigations. You seem to forget this. It could be the case that when you are a lawyer you involve very little science and plenty of politics in your discussions.

Not a serious argument for once more.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Leviathan4

The Police will downplay it and that's expectable.

Why would the police downplay it?

You complain that they supplied no sources.
They are the source - they were tasked with overseeing the whole demonstration, the policing and the security of it.
I'd say there is no better source.

The slogan doesn't imply the extermination of Jews. It could be viewed this way but it's not really the case.

How do you know that's not really the case?

Did you see the part where it said there were many Jews in the demonstrations?!

According to who?

Yes they are a source and they have given the wrong figure that Guardian adopted and you have been reproducing it again and again.

According to the people who went to the demonstrations there have been many Jewish people. You know what I mean? The kind of people that yourself and others call idiotic antisemites even though they are Jewish.

Remember the thread where a Jewish Academic was fired for criticising the Israeli State? Arguing that they commit war crimes and crimes against humanity.... Damning I would say as it comes from a Jewish person.