Half a million people march in London for Palestine

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Nothing more than a usual rant trying to defend the indefensible.

Posting actual substantiated facts that run counter to your bias and agenda isn't a 'rant'. My posts are clear and concise and on topic. They prove your premise wrong.

I know you're running high with emotions but reality isn't on your side.

That would be YOU, not me. You are the one emotionally invested in this. Reality isn't on YOUR side. I posted the reality. 100,000 protesters. Learn to deal with it.

That's why hundreds of thousands of people- half a million- ....

100,000. Not hundreds of thousands. Not half a million.
You have been proven wrong. It's clear for all to see.
100,000. That's a fact. Deal with it.

I think you need to learn to deal with reality. Millions of people around the world are against the slaughtering of innocent civilians and the war crimes committed by Israel.

I don't see how you can claim there were only 100,000 protesters there when numerous sources say otherwise. You're not convincing at all. You took a figure that suits your argument and trying to orbit around it. Nothing much into it. There is no such thing as an official unbiased source.

There is no agenda. Millions of people around the world see what's going on and argue against the war and destruction in Gaza.

Numerous sources prove you wrong I am afraid in terms of the number of protestors. The number given in the Guardian has been shown not to be true.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Numerous sources give a very different figure to what you have given

You cited two OPINION pieces. One from a muslim source in India. One from a biased socialist protestor with an agenda. Both are wrong.

and as I said earlier the Police has an interest in discouraging large scale protests for the interests of safety, security, and public order.

and as I said earlier .. not they don't.

The police are not trained to count number of protestors. They are not counting machines.

YES THEY ARE. That's part of their job in crowd control.
The ones who aren't 'counting machines' are the two 'sources' you quoted.
Those are OPINION pieces by clueless people with agenda and bias.

I don't see how you can claim there were only 100,000 protesters there when numerous sources say otherwise.

You quoted two OPINION pieces. Both biased and have agenda. The police are unbiased and have no agenda. They are trained in crowd control and in counting the crowd. Your two 'sources' biased and are not trained in counting crowds. So I don't see how you can claim there were 500,000 or 300,000. Clearly there wasn't that many.

You're not convincing at all.

You are repeating yourself again. So I 'll repeat myself - I am convincing to those without bias and agenda, and to those with common sense. The information I gave about 100,000 people is accurate and substantiated. Your information is not. There were 100,000 people. That's the reality. Deal with it.

You took a figure that suits your argument and trying to orbit around it. Nothing much into it.

You are repeating yourself again. SO I'll repeat myself - YOU took a figure that suits your argument and are trying to orbit around it. Nothing much into it.

There is no such thing as an official unbiased source.

Oh yes there is. And I quoted it.

It is your claim only that the group was made up of socialists only. Nothing much other than your opinion. You claim they are an 'unbiased secular service'. That's again nothing more than an assertion of yours with nothing much accompanied to it.

You are repeating yourself again ... but you got your cut and paste mixed up and that's just a bunch of word salad.

Numerous sources prove you wrong I am afraid in terms of the number of protestors.

Nope. Are repeating yourself again. More cut and paste. So I'll repeat myself. You posted links to TWO OPINION PIECES that are biased and have agenda. They are inflating the numbers to make their cause look more popular. NOTHING you have posted proves the official unbiased number of 100,000 wrong. NOTHING.

Bottom line - 100,000 people protested. Not 500,000 like the muslim source in India claims. Not the 300,000 like the biased socialist protestor with an agenda claims. It was 100,000 people as the official unbiased crowd control experts state. That's reality. Deal with it.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
I think you need to learn to deal with reality.

Yes ... YOU should.

I don't see how you can claim there were only 100,000 protesters there when numerous sources say otherwise. You're not convincing at all. You took a figure that suits your argument and trying to orbit around it. Nothing much into it. There is no such thing as an official unbiased source.

That's like the fifth time you have cut and pasted that same drivel.
Spamming the boards and not reading what is posted.

Numerous sources prove you wrong I am afraid in terms of the number of protestors.

That's like the fifth time you have cut and pasted that same drivel.
Spamming the boards and not reading what is posted.

You cited TWO OPINION PIECES. One from a muslim source out of India falsely claiming 500,000 protested. One from a biased socialist protestor with an agenda to inflate the numbers and without any knowledge whatsoever of how to count a crowd.

The number given in the Guardian has been shown not to be true.

INCORRECT. The official crowd control number stands. 100,000.

a reply to: FlyersFan

By the way this is one of the major reasons why we had a large number of demonstrations attended by very large crowds.

reliefweb.int...

Damning evidence of war crimes as Israeli attacks wipe out entire families in Gaza

As Israeli forces continue to intensify their cataclysmic assault on the occupied Gaza Strip, Amnesty International has documented unlawful Israeli attacks, including indiscriminate attacks, which caused mass civilian casualties and must be investigated as war crimes

Experts say Hamas and Israel are committing war crimes in their fight

apnews.com...

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Numerous sources give a very different figure to what you have given

You cited two OPINION pieces. One from a muslim source in India. One from a biased socialist protestor with an agenda. Both are wrong.

and as I said earlier the Police has an interest in discouraging large scale protests for the interests of safety, security, and public order.

and as I said earlier .. not they don't.

The police are not trained to count number of protestors. They are not counting machines.

YES THEY ARE. That's part of their job in crowd control.
The ones who aren't 'counting machines' are the two 'sources' you quoted.
Those are OPINION pieces by clueless people with agenda and bias.

I don't see how you can claim there were only 100,000 protesters there when numerous sources say otherwise.

You quoted two OPINION pieces. Both biased and have agenda. The police are unbiased and have no agenda. They are trained in crowd control and in counting the crowd. Your two 'sources' biased and are not trained in counting crowds. So I don't see how you can claim there were 500,000 or 300,000. Clearly there wasn't that many.

You're not convincing at all.

You are repeating yourself again. So I 'll repeat myself - I am convincing to those without bias and agenda, and to those with common sense. The information I gave about 100,000 people is accurate and substantiated. Your information is not. There were 100,000 people. That's the reality. Deal with it.

You took a figure that suits your argument and trying to orbit around it. Nothing much into it.

You are repeating yourself again. SO I'll repeat myself - YOU took a figure that suits your argument and are trying to orbit around it. Nothing much into it.

There is no such thing as an official unbiased source.

Oh yes there is. And I quoted it.

It is your claim only that the group was made up of socialists only. Nothing much other than your opinion. You claim they are an 'unbiased secular service'. That's again nothing more than an assertion of yours with nothing much accompanied to it.

You are repeating yourself again ... but you got your cut and paste mixed up and that's just a bunch of word salad.

Numerous sources prove you wrong I am afraid in terms of the number of protestors.

Nope. Are repeating yourself again. More cut and paste. So I'll repeat myself. You posted links to TWO OPINION PIECES that are biased and have agenda. They are inflating the numbers to make their cause look more popular. NOTHING you have posted proves the official unbiased number of 100,000 wrong. NOTHING.

Bottom line - 100,000 people protested. Not 500,000 like the muslim source in India claims. Not the 300,000 like the biased socialist protestor with an agenda claims. It was 100,000 people as the official unbiased crowd control experts state. That's reality. Deal with it.

The Police has an interest in discouraging large scale protests for the interests of safety, security, and public order. It is much easier to police a smaller crowd than a much larger crowd and a high number of protestors can attract even higher numbers and make the job of police officers even harder.

You said that the socialist protesters have an agenda. First of all, has anyone told you everyone there was a socialist?! That's is absurd and another assertion you made as to who was there and what were their intentions. Just because the event was covered by s socialist newspaper doesn't make it a socialist event....

The police ludicrously still tried to claim it was smaller than last week’s 150,000-strong demonstration, saying that around 100,000 attended. This vast playing down of its size was faithfully repeated by the media, including the Guardian.

www.wsws.org...


I don't see any agenda, just a demonstration to protest against the massive loss of life and for a free and independent Palestine. I am sure that even the Jewish people want this to happen. According to the demonstrators they were many Jewish people too attending the march. Damning for the kind of argument your trying to make here.

I don't see how you can claim there were only 100,000 protesters there when numerous sources say otherwise. You're not convincing at all. You took a figure that suits your argument and trying to orbit around it.

As if they're useful idiots for Hamas that's a nonsensical argument reflecting your biased views when at the sane time you promote Israeli State Propaganda in a number of threads by labelling anyone who disagrees with Israeli state policy as an idiot. Actually millions of people.


There is no agenda. Millions of people around the world see what's going on and argue against the war and destruction in Gaza.Numerous sources prove you wrong I am afraid in terms of the number of protestors. There were not 100,000 protestors in the demonstration- that's a number that suits your argument better.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
I think you need to learn to deal with reality.

Yes ... YOU should.

I don't see how you can claim there were only 100,000 protesters there when numerous sources say otherwise. You're not convincing at all. You took a figure that suits your argument and trying to orbit around it. Nothing much into it. There is no such thing as an official unbiased source.

That's like the fifth time you have cut and pasted that same drivel.
Spamming the boards and not reading what is posted.

Numerous sources prove you wrong I am afraid in terms of the number of protestors.

That's like the fifth time you have cut and pasted that same drivel.
Spamming the boards and not reading what is posted.

You cited TWO OPINION PIECES. One from a muslim source out of India falsely claiming 500,000 protested. One from a biased socialist protestor with an agenda to inflate the numbers and without any knowledge whatsoever of how to count a crowd.

The number given in the Guardian has been shown not to be true.

INCORRECT. The official crowd control number stands. 100,000.

You have cited the 'official unbiased force'. There is no such thing I am afraid.

The police has an interest in downplaying the number of protestors and discouraging participation for reasons of safety and security as well as public order.

You don't post but you repeat yourself with the biased opinions of yours. So I have to answer with the answers given earlier, given that you seem to dismiss everything to push the kind of propaganda we have seen in these threads by accusing and labelling everyone who doesn't support the official Israeli position, as a useful idiot.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Numerous sources give a very different figure to what you have given

You cited two OPINION pieces. One from a muslim source in India. One from a biased socialist protestor with an agenda. Both are wrong.

and as I said earlier the Police has an interest in discouraging large scale protests for the interests of safety, security, and public order.

and as I said earlier .. not they don't.

The police are not trained to count number of protestors. They are not counting machines.

YES THEY ARE. That's part of their job in crowd control.
The ones who aren't 'counting machines' are the two 'sources' you quoted.
Those are OPINION pieces by clueless people with agenda and bias.

I don't see how you can claim there were only 100,000 protesters there when numerous sources say otherwise.

You quoted two OPINION pieces. Both biased and have agenda. The police are unbiased and have no agenda. They are trained in crowd control and in counting the crowd. Your two 'sources' biased and are not trained in counting crowds. So I don't see how you can claim there were 500,000 or 300,000. Clearly there wasn't that many.

You're not convincing at all.

You are repeating yourself again. So I 'll repeat myself - I am convincing to those without bias and agenda, and to those with common sense. The information I gave about 100,000 people is accurate and substantiated. Your information is not. There were 100,000 people. That's the reality. Deal with it.

You took a figure that suits your argument and trying to orbit around it. Nothing much into it.

You are repeating yourself again. SO I'll repeat myself - YOU took a figure that suits your argument and are trying to orbit around it. Nothing much into it.

There is no such thing as an official unbiased source.

Oh yes there is. And I quoted it.

It is your claim only that the group was made up of socialists only. Nothing much other than your opinion. You claim they are an 'unbiased secular service'. That's again nothing more than an assertion of yours with nothing much accompanied to it.

You are repeating yourself again ... but you got your cut and paste mixed up and that's just a bunch of word salad.

Numerous sources prove you wrong I am afraid in terms of the number of protestors.

Nope. Are repeating yourself again. More cut and paste. So I'll repeat myself. You posted links to TWO OPINION PIECES that are biased and have agenda. They are inflating the numbers to make their cause look more popular. NOTHING you have posted proves the official unbiased number of 100,000 wrong. NOTHING.

Bottom line - 100,000 people protested. Not 500,000 like the muslim source in India claims. Not the 300,000 like the biased socialist protestor with an agenda claims. It was 100,000 people as the official unbiased crowd control experts state. That's reality. Deal with it.

You're repeating yourself again and again.

Every source that doesn't suit your argument is biased. That doesn't prevent you from citing and referencing the IDF (!) that recently announced there I'd no humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

Or your attempts to cite the ADL an organisation that promotes the interests of Jewish groups around the world. That's what I call unbiased sources!!!......

No you're not correct the police are not counting machines and have an interest downplaying the demonstrations so to discourage participation for reasons of safety - security- public order.

Clearly the menu sources don't support your claim there have been 100,000 protestors in the demonstration. The Guardian number had been shown not to be true.

a reply to: Leviathan4

a reply to: Leviathan4

Both posts were just cut and paste repeats .... like the fifth or sixth time you have spammed the boards with the same exact drivel. I'm not going to bother addressing them again.


The bottom line - the claim by the OP that 500,000 people demonstrated has been proven false. The subsequent claim by the OP that 300,000 people demonstrated has been proven false. Both 'sources' have been proven to be nothing more than opinion pieces by people with an agenda to inflate crowd numbers and by people who have no knowledge of how many people were actually there.

The official number of protesters, as determined by the unbiased secular professionals who were in charge of crowd control and who have experience and training in determining crowd size, say it was 100,000 protestors.

100,000 useful idiots for hamas.

100,000. That's the reality.

Any other number is just propaganda and based on wishful thinking.

a reply to: Leviathan4
I totally agree with you that these war crimes need investigating but as far as I see it it is all on Hamas. Hamas entered Israel and specifically targeted and killed innocent civilians, NOT any military force, war crime. Hamas is the controlling force in Gaza and it is purposely placing it's forces in and around civilian places, war crime. Hamas is the one that is purposely using women and children as shields, war crime. Hamas is the one that's sending uncontrolled rockets into Israel knowing they will hit civilian targets, war crime. NOW just who is the perpetrator of these war crimes?

a reply to: Leviathan4

Biden and other humanitarian agencies are asking for a humanitarian pause but Israel says 'no'.

I find it extremely disturbing that those people decided to virtue signal their solidarity for a terrorist group instead of making their voices heard demanding a release of the 200 innocent hostages.

There will be no peace until they are released.
If they really wanted peace they would have released them already.
That’s how we know they really do not want peace.

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: Leviathan4
I totally agree with you that these war crimes need investigating but as far as I see it it is all on Hamas. Hamas entered Israel and specifically targeted and killed innocent civilians, NOT any military force, war crime. Hamas is the controlling force in Gaza and it is purposely placing it's forces in and around civilian places, war crime. Hamas is the one that is purposely using women and children as shields, war crime. Hamas is the one that's sending uncontrolled rockets into Israel knowing they will hit civilian targets, war crime. NOW just who is the perpetrator of these war crimes?

I agree on you in relation to Hamas and never said anything different. They have committed war crimes followed by war crimes committed by the Israeli Army. It's not a matter who has started this particular conflict. Nor did I say that Israel cannot retaliate but that doesn't extend to the mass killings of civilians, mostly women and children, or the forced expulsion of millions of people from the North to the South, or the collective punishment of the population cutting off electricity and water.

These are the major reasons why the demonstrations took place together with the hope for a ceasefire, peace, and solution to the problem.

If you are a Jew you will see things from a different perspective than if you are Palestinian or Arab. But for many of us (including myself) who are not Arabs or Jews things are seen from a different perspective. And the way I see it: War crimes have been answered with war crimes

a reply to: Leviathan4

Nor did I say that Israel cannot retaliate but that doesn't extend to the mass killings of civilians, mostly women and children,...

...the forced expulsion of millions of people from the North to the South...

The necessary movement of persons - both within the combat zone, and from the combat zone towards territory controlled by a Party to the conflict - of persons protected by IHL. The aim of evacuation is to protect persons from the effects of ongoing hostilities. Evacuation comprises:

casebook.icrc.org...

..the collective punishment of the population cutting off electricity and water.

Despite the importance, access to electricity is not explicitly recognized as a universal human right.

link

a reply to: Another_Nut

Cutting off electricity to hospitals would definitely count as effecting deaths of certain patients, so those people would have survived otherwise, therefore that is tantamount to murder, IMO.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Another_Nut

Cutting off electricity to hospitals would definitely count as effecting deaths of certain patients, so those people would have survived otherwise, therefore that is tantamount to murder, IMO.

Hamas should stop stealing the hospitals fuel.

“As U.N. officials say hospitals in Gaza are running dangerously low on fuel, Hamas is maintaining a stockpile of more than 200,000 gallons of fuel for the rockets it fires into Israel and the generators that provide clean air and electricity to its network of underground tunnels, according to U.S. officials, current and former Israeli officials and academics.”
www.nbcnews.com...

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Another_Nut

Cutting off electricity to hospitals would definitely count as effecting deaths of certain patients, so those people would have survived otherwise, therefore that is tantamount to murder, IMO.

Yep! And a war crime

originally posted by: VermiIion

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Another_Nut

Cutting off electricity to hospitals would definitely count as effecting deaths of certain patients, so those people would have survived otherwise, therefore that is tantamount to murder, IMO.

Hamas should stop stealing the hospitals fuel.

“As U.N. officials say hospitals in Gaza are running dangerously low on fuel, Hamas is maintaining a stockpile of more than 200,000 gallons of fuel for the rockets it fires into Israel and the generators that provide clean air and electricity to its network of underground tunnels, according to U.S. officials, current and former Israeli officials and academics.”
www.nbcnews.com...

Israel should not have cut off electricity then there would not be the desperate need for alternative measures.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Another_Nut

Cutting off electricity to hospitals would definitely count as effecting deaths of certain patients, so those people would have survived otherwise, therefore that is tantamount to murder, IMO.

Yep! And a war crime

Yeah! It is a war crime - that which causes the death of innocent hospitalized people by cutting off the hospital's electricity.

originally posted by: VermiIion

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Another_Nut

Cutting off electricity to hospitals would definitely count as effecting deaths of certain patients, so those people would have survived otherwise, therefore that is tantamount to murder, IMO.

Hamas should stop stealing the hospitals fuel.

“As U.N. officials say hospitals in Gaza are running dangerously low on fuel, Hamas is maintaining a stockpile of more than 200,000 gallons of fuel for the rockets it fires into Israel and the generators that provide clean air and electricity to its network of underground tunnels, according to U.S. officials, current and former Israeli officials and academics.”
www.nbcnews.com...

It's the Israeli Government that has decided to cut off electricity and water. That's a form of collective punishment and hence a war crime, regardless of whether Hamas is stockpiling fuel.

This is a list of what the Israeli Government did and it's war crimes

1) Complete siege of Gaza
2) Incitement to genocide
3) Collective punishment
4) Forced expulsion
5) Disproportional aerial bombardment of the civilian population
6) Attacks on civilian structures, hospitals, and humanitarian workers

a reply to: quintessentone

So you’re saying that it’s Israel’s fault that Hamas is stealing the hospitals fuel?