Rockets fired at Israel from Gaza rocket attack terrorists have infiltrated from Gaza

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: datguy

AHem I guess i should be more specific. as a PEOPLE they were eliminated. IS that better?

But they werent "A" people, they were the accumulation of the people in that region, over time they have included such peoples as Jews, Arabs, Phoenicians, Assyrians, Persians, Babylonian....

a people taken as slaves and bred out of existence. Same effect as if they were all LITERALLY killed off no? In short a real genocide.

See above and below for degree of accuracy

Genetics we all are related down the line by common ancestors.

Then why are we not all Asian?

There is also archalogical proof of Israel existing as well btw. And that COIN they keep showing saying palestine,the line below it is in hebrew saying its from israel.

Israel did exist, After all the other civilizations I mentioned above, i never said they didnt.
Kinda funny that the coin I believe you are referencing spells Palestine in english. I can only assume that you are attempting to convey that as some proof that Palestine has not existed until recently, which has never been part of the point i have been conveying.

My point is, the people there now, that call themselves Palestinian, are decendents of people who have long lived there, both before and including Israel. They have as much a claim to the land as the Israeli's, regardless of what the British or the UN or anyone else wishes to portray.

The coin is only evidence that the two, Israel and Palestine, are more closely linked than is commonly believed.
Back to your point of

Genetics we all are related down the line by common ancestors.

Its almost like a ancient family feud

My biggest fear at this point is Biden doing something stupid.

Remember, when he wanted to prove he was tough in Afghanistan, he bombed 10 civilians--including 7 children.

One # up after another in Afghanistan and then he overreacted and killed a bunch of innocent people.

We're starting down the same path here:
--Muddy, incoherent response from the administration in the first few days of the war, including several deleted tweets from administration officials because they had conflicting messages.
--We were the slowest nation to start evacuating our citizens. 3rd world countries responded faster.
--Continued reluctance to implicate Iran
--"red lines" for any other actors in the region to get involved, then Hezbollah got involved and Biden has done nothing, which essentially gives other actors a green light

He continues to get everything wrong. At some point he'll overreact like Afghanistan to try to prove he's a leader.

I hope his flailing overreaction doesn't start a world war.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: datguy

No body is "right", to say one side has more cause to kill and destroy for any reason, is to support the same thing you are fighting against, it is all hypocracy in the name of "insert cause here"

You are either against death and destruction or you are for it.
I am against it

Then you must be against the refugees from not joining Israel in peace for decades and just run on the old "Destroy the Jews" Hezbollah is the same as both groups who want to see Israel wiped off the map.

Not even sure how you came to that conclusion when i clearly stated and you even quoted me

You are either against death and destruction or you are for it.
I am against it

Lebanon's Hezbollah says targets Israeli positions............................

"Lebanon's Hezbollah said it targeted five Israeli positions in northern Israel on Monday, as a security source in Lebanon and Hezbollah's al-Manar television reported Israeli shelling into northern Lebanon.

The Iran-backed Hezbollah and Israel have been exchanging fire across the Lebanese-Israeli frontier for days, in violence touched off by the war between Israel and the Iran-backed Palestinian group Hamas." www.jpost.com...

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Turning the water back on because of pressure from Biden.
That's HUGE.
He swore no water etc etc until the hostages were released.
'Bibi' blinked.

"There has been little to no aid distribution in Gaza since the airstrikes began and most shops are closed. On Saturday the United Nations warned that all of Gaza was about to run out of drinking water. Many Gazans do not have access to clean drinking water, according to the U.N., and are resorting to drinking polluted water.
'It has become a matter of life and death,' said Phillippe Lazzarini, the commissioner general for UNRWA, the U.N. agency that aids Palestinians. 'It is a must: Fuel needs to be delivered to make water available.'"

"Many Gazans also say they would rather die in their homes than flee."

quote: NYT's - October 16, 2023 - "Hospitals Face Another Layer Of Impossible --- Israeli Order Is Called a 'Death Sentence'"

originally posted by: face23785
My biggest fear at this point is Biden doing something stupid.

IMHO he's now running scared from Iran.

Will Israel apply "Hama Rules"?

"Israel will apply Hama Rules --- a term I coined years ago to describe the strategy deployed in 1982 by Syria's president, Hafez al-Assad, when Hamas's political forefathers, the Muslim Brotherhood of Syria, tried to topple al-Assad's secular regime by starting a rebellion in the city of Hama.
Al-Assad pounded the Brotherhood's neighborhoods in Hama relentlessly for days, letting no one out, and brought in bulldozers and leveled it as flat as a parking lot, killing some 20,000 of his own people in the process. I walked on that rubble weeks later. An Arab leader I know told me privately how, afterward, Al-Assad laconically shrugged when he was ask about it: 'People live. People die.'"

excerpt quote: NYT's - October 16, 2023 - "How to Think About This New War - Israel believes it must restore deterrence by proving that it can outcrazy Hamas" --- Columnist | Thomas L. Friedman in the OPINION column

IRAN involved. 199 Hostages. Offer to release in the works ....

Iran Says Hamas Will Free Hostages If Air Strikes End

Iran tried to pressure Israel into ending its revenge airstrikes on Gaza by claiming Monday that the Hamas terrorists long sponsored by Tehran would be willing to free the 199 hostages now known to have been taken during the slaughter of more than 1,400 people.

Iranian Foreign Ministry Nasser Kanaani claimed that Hamas is “ready” to release the hostages, but doing so would be “impossible” under Israeli airstrikes in the region.

He reckoned that the terror group “stated that they are ready to take necessary measures to release the citizens and civilians held by resistant groups, but their point was that such measures require preparations that are impossible under daily bombardment by the Zionists against various parts of Gaza,” Kanaani said.

"As a former JAG (or Judge Advocate General's Corps) officer embedded with a combat arms unit in Operation Iraqi Freedom, I know that you can't simply merge law and tactics and declare that everything that is legally and tactically sound is also moral, much less wise.

We veterans know that challenge for the Israel Defense Forces in Gaza isn't simply to win the fight with Hamas within the laws of war. There is a third imperative, one that will define the soldiers who fight and the nation they defend for years to come: Do not destroy your soul.

This is much easier said than done. To shrink from evil because the fight will be hard and complex and fraught with risk to soldiers and civilians alike is to both reward barbarism (it sends the signal that sufficient savagery will be rewarded with impunity) and forsake the sacred duty of protecting your citizens from harm.

To lean into the fight, to stretch your violent reach every bit as far as the law allows, can create an ocean of anguish and leave, as it's sometimes put, a bruise on the soul of the combatants themselves, altering their lives forever.

Israel is about to embark on a military task that it will try its soul, against a hell that is not easily conquered. We can and must talk about tactics and law. They provide an indispensable minimal standard of conduct. But the ultimate course of the conflict will depend on the outcome of countless moral choices, and those choices will be the most difficult of all."

excerpt quotes: NYT's Columnist | David French - OPINION - Monday, October 16, 2023 --- "The Moral Questions Faced In The Trenches" - "Israel is poised to embark on a mission that will try its soul."

Israel evacuating 28 communities near Lebanon border

Actions by the Iran-backed Hezbollah prompt evacuations along Israel's northern border

ohoh

a reply to: FlyersFan

red herring by nervous knee-jerky choking hamas as the israeli mechanized ground units start their engines

a reply to: WingDingLuey

There hasn't been anything else about this so it may be a false report.
The number 199 hostages was interesting though. Up from 150 if true.

originally posted by: datguy

Not even sure how you came to that conclusion when i clearly stated and you even quoted me

You are either against death and destruction or you are for it.
I am against it

As I clearly stated too...Then you must also be against the Palestinians since they are for the death and destruction of the Jews.

a reply to: Xtrozero

no point in talking to certain people on this because you prove them wrong they move the goal post each time.

Its time for them to cleanse hamas from Gaza. no capturing,no surrendering,just kill them off. And also go into the other country they are hiding the leaders and eliminate them as well.

originally posted by: yuppa

Its time for them to cleanse hamas from Gaza. no capturing,no surrendering,just kill them off. And also go into the other country they are hiding the leaders and eliminate them as well.

Need to just take over. Get rid of Hamas, bring in food and water, establish an infrastructure for the people, and actually work from within, it will take time and be painful for all, but it is the only way. The reason why we are here is because Israel gave up the governing role in Gaza and we ended up with Hamas.

I'm worried about Steve. Something happened to him. They can do what they want to Hamas, but I'm worried Steve was drown in the ocean.





They speculate he might have survived and moved to Camera two..

So ... Iran is going all in ...

Iran Warns Preemptive Action Against Israel Expected in Coming Hours

ranian officials warned late Monday of possible “preemptive action” against Israel by the “resistance front” ahead of the Jewish nation’s imminent ground invasion into Gaza.

“The resistance front is capable of waging a long-term war with the enemy [Israel]… in the coming hours, we can expect a preemptive action by the resistance front,” Iran Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian said in a live broadcast to state TV.

All Those Who Question The Unimaginable Savagery of the Hamas Attack Must Read These Words

The charred remains were so disfigured that at first they did not realise it was two people.

But when pathologists gently began to examine, they could see the bodies were those of an adult and a child. And they were hugging tightly.

That is how it had ended for them, trapped in a room as Hamas terrorists set fire to their home. As the horror of burning to death came to them, the adult had nothing left to offer but to hold that terrified child in their arms.

Read more from the Israeli pathologists at the link. The attack was brutal and evil. Purposely cruel.

a reply to: FlyersFan

I see you're still on a moral crusade and have become entangled with the issue as well as being emotionally charged.

You still fail to see that war crimes cannot be answered with war crimes. And as the number of deaths and suffering increases so does the hate between Arabs and Jews which could provoke a wider conflict in the area with many more nations involved.

Hamas committed war crimes and the response to this was war crimes committed by the Israeli Armed Forces in the name of self defence and democracy.

Do you want me to start posting the views of Jewish people on this subject? I have posted a few in a number of threads but it seems there is huge criticism against Benjamin Netanyahou and his Government for not being able to stop the attack and for their responses in the aftermath of the Hamas attack.

Take a look at the latest from Gideon Levy who have posted a very provocative title online. Initially published in the Jewish Newspaper he writes and he is a journalist (and very well known in Israel).

Gideon Levy is a known Jewish Journalist who had called out the Israeli Government for the way they are responding to the crisis, he acknowledges that war crimes have been committed from both sides and he calls Mr Netanyahou the equivalent of a fascist and Neo-Nazi.

That said, it's his own words (not mine) before anyone goes on the usual strawman arguments and the desperate and wild accusations

originally posted by: Degradation33
I'm worried about Steve. Something happened to him. They can do what they want to Hamas, but I'm worried Steve was drown in the ocean.

They speculate he might have survived and moved to Camera two..

The response by Israel is not a man act of self defence but an act of revenge. Anyone can see this, even those who are emotionally charged like yourself and a few others in this thread.

The conflict must stop and the sooner it stops the better it is.

Take a look at the latest from Gideon Levy who have posted a very provocative title online. Initially published in the Jewish Newspaper he writes and he is a journalist (and very well known in Israel). He has called out the Israeli Government for the way they are responding to the crisis, he acknowledges that war crimes have been committed from both sides and he calls Mr Netanyahou the equivalent of a fascist and Neo-Nazi.