Rockets fired at Israel from Gaza rocket attack terrorists have infiltrated from Gaza

For all those saying that Israel must not risk anything that could be called a war crime, I suggest you watch this, from 1943.

True then, true now.





You tube seems to be a mess today, its the second video down.
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a reply to: SprocketUK

The Israeli Ambassador to the UK says there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

Surely this is a form of propaganda that not even the most hard-liners in Israel will believe.

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What's wrong with the truth in conflict and wars? In all wars truth is the first victim as we say.


It's one of the most bizarre interviews with the Israeli Ambassador trying desperately to defend the crimes committed by her Government after just asked politely by the British presenter who was interviewing her.

Watch the whole interview. It worths the effort.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Now take a look at this one

from Gideon Levy who has posted a very provocative title online. Initially published in the Jewish Newspaper he writes and he is a journalist (and very well known in Israel).

Gideon Levy is a known Jewish Journalist who had called out the Israeli Government for the way they are responding to the crisis, he acknowledges that war crimes have been committed from both sides and he calls Mr Netanyahou the equivalent of a fascist and Neo-Nazi.

I am sure not everyone holds the same opinion for Mr Netanyahou but it is clear that a good number of Israelis are against killing innocent civilians in the name of self defense and democracy. War crimes cannot be answered with war crimes.

The fact remains that without the attack by Hamas on ordinary Israelis, there would be no attacks into Gaza by the IDF not one.

originally posted by: Muldar
I see you're still on a moral crusade and have become entangled with the issue as well as being emotionally charged.

You keep posting that ... KNOCK IT OFF. I"m not on a 'moral crusade' and I'm not 'emotionally charged'. You FAILED to address the information I posted. It was from the coroners in Israel dealing with the dead. They described the brutality and the cruelty in which the terrorist attack victims died. You FAILED to address the information but instead, went on a rant. Why is that? Nevermind. I don't want to know and I don't care.

The information again ... which is ON TOPIC ... the TERRORIST ATTACKS is the topic ...

All Those Who Question The Unimaginable Savagery of the Hamas Attack Must Read These Words

The charred remains were so disfigured that at first they did not realise it was two people.

But when pathologists gently began to examine, they could see the bodies were those of an adult and a child. And they were hugging tightly.

That is how it had ended for them, trapped in a room as Hamas terrorists set fire to their home. As the horror of burning to death came to them, the adult had nothing left to offer but to hold that terrified child in their arms.

Read more from the Israeli pathologists at the link. The attack was brutal and evil. Purposely cruel.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Muldar
I see you're still on a moral crusade and have become entangled with the issue as well as being emotionally charged.

You keep posting that ... KNOCK IT OFF. I"m not on a 'moral crusade' and I'm not 'emotionally charged'. You FAILED to address the information I posted. It was from the coroners in Israel dealing with the dead. They described the brutality and the cruelty in which the terrorist attack victims died. You FAILED to address the information but instead, went on a rant. Why is that? Nevermind. I don't want to know and I don't care.

The information again ... which is ON TOPIC ... the TERRORIST ATTACKS is the topic ...

All Those Who Question The Unimaginable Savagery of the Hamas Attack Must Read These Words

The charred remains were so disfigured that at first they did not realise it was two people.

But when pathologists gently began to examine, they could see the bodies were those of an adult and a child. And they were hugging tightly.

That is how it had ended for them, trapped in a room as Hamas terrorists set fire to their home. As the horror of burning to death came to them, the adult had nothing left to offer but to hold that terrified child in their arms.

Read more from the Israeli pathologists at the link. The attack was brutal and evil. Purposely cruel.

No I haven't failed anything.
I am describing you the realities of this war.
War crimes have been answered with war crimes. That's a fact not a speculation or belief.

Nobody has said that the attacks by the Hamas Militants were not brutal or cruel.

The criticism is on the response by Israel that seems to be breaking the records in violating every human right and engaging in war crimes.

The topic of this thread isn't just the attacks by Hamas but the war itself, with more information coming every day that passes.

From my last post

Gideon Levy is a known Jewish Journalist who had called out the Israeli Government for the way they are responding to the crisis, he acknowledges that war crimes have been committed from both sides and he calls Mr Netanyahou the equivalent of a fascist and Neo-Nazi.

That's what the reality of war is.
Perfectly described by Gideon Levy and other Jewish people and journalists who try not to be governed by emotions and present rational arguments and facts.

Pretty much Gideon Levy has refuted all the claims made by those who support Israel in bombing innocent civilians.

You also read his article online that condemns the Israeli State and Government for their wrongdoings.

originally posted by: Muldar
Nobody has said that the attacks by the Hamas Militants were not brutal or cruel.

Then why did you have a melt down, fail to address the information that was posted, rant about how evil Israel is, while at the same time falsely calling me "Emotionally charged" and "on a moral crusade" ... simply because I posted information that was on topic? Nevermind, I really don't care.


Free Beacon - 89 Percent of Palestinians Support Terror Attacks on Israel

Nearly 89 percent of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets from the Gaza Strip at Israeli civilians, according to a new poll conducted by the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion (PCPO).

The poll of 1,000 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip found that 88.9 percent of those surveyed supported "the firing of rockets from Gaza at Israel," according to the findings.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Muldar
Nobody has said that the attacks by the Hamas Militants were not brutal or cruel.

Then why did you have a melt down, fail to address the information that was posted, rant about how evil Israel is, while at the same time falsely calling me "Emotionally charged" and "on a moral crusade" ... simply because I posted information that was on topic? Nevermind, I really don't care.


Free Beacon - 89 Percent of Palestinians Support Terror Attacks on Israel

Nearly 89 percent of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets from the Gaza Strip at Israeli civilians, according to a new poll conducted by the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion (PCPO).

The poll of 1,000 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip found that 88.9 percent of those surveyed supported "the firing of rockets from Gaza at Israel," according to the findings.

I wonder how emotionally charged those 1,000 Palestinians were when answering that poll by the PCOP.

a reply to: Xtrozero

If a group or person comes out and makes acts of violence or claims they want to commit acts of violence i would be against that yes.

Not all Palestinians feel that way, well at least not all of them 10 days ago, i cant imagine how they feel now

a reply to: yuppa

i do love some good irony

a reply to: quintessentone

That poll was from 2014.....

a reply to: Muldar

@FlyersFan

moral crusades are good for the soul, never surrender what you believe and please keep giving us all updates

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: quintessentone

That poll was from 2014.....

Yes, during the 2014 Gaza War under the exact same war conditions.

en.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20BBC%2C%20Israel,and%20other%20Palestinian%20militant%20groups.

So, again, how much value can we put on polls taken from people who are being bombed?

originally posted by: datguy

Not all Palestinians feel that way, well at least not all of them 10 days ago, i cant imagine how they feel now

How do you think the typical Jew feels now? My point is you are so one-sided though you make this claim you are for neither, but your words say otherwise.

Do you have a percentage? What is the percentage when the Moques preach and teach Jewish hate to all, starting at birth? When boys are trained to hate and kill Jews, when moms sit around watching their sons practice fighting like they were at a soccer game, when moms cheer on their sons dying for the holy war, when people think killing a Jew and dying is the fast track to heaven, when the civilian crowds creer as a naked dead girl and others are paraded through the streets, when moms are honored and rewarded with money when their sons die for the cause, when rape is a popular choice... so on and so forth.

All these are social norms over there so where do you draw the line between Hamas and innocent people? You and others want to paint a picture that it is a small group of bad guys and millions of innocent loving people, and that is far from the reality of how it is over there.

Biden and the EU are about to quietly let sanctions on Iran's ballistic missile program expire tomorrow.

If they really stood by Israel, they'd be extending those sanctions.

The US and EU are supporting Iran.

Western progressives have long had a delusion that if Iran became the regional hegemonic power in the Middle East that the Middle East would stabilize. Even after this terrorist attack sponsored by Iran, they still believe it and still want to help Iran become more powerful.

Sorry, was out most of the day yesterday, did Israel invade Hamas yet?

a reply to: Xtrozero

My intent is not draw any pictures but to convey the truth, its up to you how you want to interpret that.

I draw the line at my own personal beliefs. I can and will not condone or support death and destruction, by any one, not even god.
If that opposes some belief that any certain form of death and destruction is ok, or better than another, then that is a problem I cannot resolve.
God knows my heart, I have told him many times of he doesn't like he can kill me where I stand

I still stand, this tells me one of two things

There is no god, or I am not wrong, in either case i will not suspend my moral conviction based on the evil deeds of others
That is how the devil wins, that is how the terrorists win, and have won every battle they have fought since time immemorial

That is how they won on 9-11 and that is how they won on 10-7

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Sorry, was out most of the day yesterday, did Israel invade Hamas yet?

Small groups have gone in and come out, came across some dead hostages.
But 'the big one' hasn't happened yet.

a reply to: face23785

i would argue they hold it as a moral superior.. the current noise in the uk is even Hamas is far more lgbt friends than anywhere else and Islam is the religion for homosexuals and Iran is the lgbt example to copy.. this so how far off the rails its all got defending multiculturalism...

Here is one mans opinion. He doesn't speak for ALL Palestinians, of course.
But this is one Palestinians opinion -

Palestinian Refugee Says Israels Gaza Invasion is 'Necessary' and 'Welcome'

As a Palestinian, I find the actions of the terrorist group beyond abhorrent. During its brutal invasion, Hamas killed, injured and abducted scores of Muslim Israelis, including Bedouins.

Take it from a Palestinian perspective, the unforgivable brutality Hamas just displayed against Israelis is what our population has experienced from these cold-blooded murderers and thugs for the past 16 years since they took control of Gaza in 2007.

In the days and weeks ahead, innocent Palestinian blood will be on the hands of Hamas as they pay a terrible price for their villainy, as Israel does everything in its power to bring its people home. Don’t fall for the tricks of antisemites perpetrating lies about who is responsible for this war; believe your own eyes and common sense: the raping, torture and murder that Hamas has committed is inexcusable, full stop.

Gaza’s liberation is long overdue; please, Israel, deliver our people from the wicked power of Hamas.