Rockets fired at Israel from Gaza rocket attack terrorists have infiltrated from Gaza

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Here is one mans opinion. He doesn't speak for ALL Palestinians, of course.
But this is one Palestinians opinion -

Palestinian Refugee Says Israels Gaza Invasion is 'Necessary' and 'Welcome'

As a Palestinian, I find the actions of the terrorist group beyond abhorrent. During its brutal invasion, Hamas killed, injured and abducted scores of Muslim Israelis, including Bedouins.

Take it from a Palestinian perspective, the unforgivable brutality Hamas just displayed against Israelis is what our population has experienced from these cold-blooded murderers and thugs for the past 16 years since they took control of Gaza in 2007.

In the days and weeks ahead, innocent Palestinian blood will be on the hands of Hamas as they pay a terrible price for their villainy, as Israel does everything in its power to bring its people home. Don’t fall for the tricks of antisemites perpetrating lies about who is responsible for this war; believe your own eyes and common sense: the raping, torture and murder that Hamas has committed is inexcusable, full stop.

Gaza’s liberation is long overdue; please, Israel, deliver our people from the wicked power of Hamas.

You should post this in the thread about the Israeli who thinks Israel should stop the attacks.

So there's all this hubbub about getting humanitarian aid into Gaza.

Some aid was sent in and was reportedly stolen by Hamas. Great.

If this was anywhere else in the world, a UN peacekeeping force would go in with the supplies to ensure they get passed out to civilians. They could set up a small zone in southern Gaza that Israel knows about and get some agreement to not bomb within a certain distance of it.

If it's as simple as the Palestinian supporters think it is to determine who's a terrorist and who isn't, and if it's so safe in Gaza because the Palestinians are peaceful people, seems like a no-brainer.

Or maybe it's not as simple and safe as some of you think it is and that's why the UN doesn't want that responsibility. I haven't even seen it suggested.

a reply to: face23785

Is there any word of who sent the aide in? I am wondering if they assumed that the aide would end up with hamas and are using this as way to find and track them in order to locate the hostages?

Israel-Hamas war: Hamas spokesman says the group has no plans to release hostages

After meetings with Israeli officials, Secretary of State Antony Blinken announced the U.S. and Israel had agreed to develop a plan to get aid from "donor nations and multilateral organizations" to the besieged Gaza Strip

originally posted by: face23785
You should post this in the thread about the Israeli who thinks Israel should stop the attacks.

I did. It's ignored. OF COURSE.

A few days ago the news was reporting that Israel said it would take 18 months inside Gaza to complete operations. Now it seems they may not be going in at all? Did Bibi blink again, or is something else going on, or is it just a mess and no one knows what they are doing, or are they going in and this is just being coy for the news for security reasons??? Who knows.

Daily Mail - Has Israel Decided NOT to Launch Ground Offensive?

srael's Defence Forces have spent the past week preparing for a massive operation to crush Hamas after some 360,000 reservists were called up to encircle Gaza with tanks, artillery and armoured vehicles.

But now the expected ground assault appears to be on hold, with IDF spokesperson Lt Col Richard Hecht refusing to confirm his troops will deploy into the Palestinian enclave.

'We are preparing for the next stages of war. We haven't said what they will be,' Hecht teased.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Given that you don't seem to be able to address this issue let's see a few things again

I am describing you the realities of this war.
War crimes have been answered with war crimes. That's a fact not a speculation or belief.


Nobody has said that the attacks by the Hamas Militants were not brutal or cruel.


The criticism is on the response by Israel that seems to be breaking the records in violating every human right and engaging in war crimes.

The topic of this thread isn't just the attacks by Hamas but the war itself, with more information coming every day that passes, which cannot be ignored.

Gideon Levy is a known Jewish Journalist who had called out the Israeli Government for the way they are responding to the crisis, he acknowledges that war crimes have been committed from both sides and he calls Mr Netanyahou the equivalent of a fascist and Neo-Nazi.

That's what the reality of war is.
Perfectly described by Gideon Levy and other Jewish people and journalists who try not to be governed by emotions and present rational arguments and facts.

Pretty much Gideon Levy has refuted all the claims made by those who support Israel in bombing innocent civilians.

You seem to be approaching the subject from an emotional point of view. And it's reasonable if you're Jewish. But to me who I am not Jewish or Arab, I see things in a different way. I mean the sane way... War crimes have been answered with war crimes.


For those who don't know Gideon Levy, a simple search will reveal his very legitimate criticisms against the State of Israel and he clearly sees what most us see here in the west. Bombing of innocent civilians and killings of thousands are war crimes.

a reply to: datguy

Very good thread is coming about how others see Israel and the bombings and killings of innocent civilians. People who are not Arab or Jews.

a reply to: Muldar

Can you post a link, please?

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: face23785
You should post this in the thread about the Israeli who thinks Israel should stop the attacks.

I did. It's ignored. OF COURSE.

Big shocker.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
A few days ago the news was reporting that Israel said it would take 18 months inside Gaza to complete operations. Now it seems they may not be going in at all? Did Bibi blink again, or is something else going on, or is it just a mess and no one knows what they are doing, or are they going in and this is just being coy for the news for security reasons??? Who knows.

Daily Mail - Has Israel Decided NOT to Launch Ground Offensive?

srael's Defence Forces have spent the past week preparing for a massive operation to crush Hamas after some 360,000 reservists were called up to encircle Gaza with tanks, artillery and armoured vehicles.

But now the expected ground assault appears to be on hold, with IDF spokesperson Lt Col Richard Hecht refusing to confirm his troops will deploy into the Palestinian enclave.

'We are preparing for the next stages of war. We haven't said what they will be,' Hecht teased.

Or did the Biden administration tell them in private that if Iran jumps in we won't help?

originally posted by: face23785
Or did the Biden administration tell them in private that if Iran jumps in we won't help?

I think Biden is running scared of Iran. I really do.

However, there are those in DC who are getting ready just in case ...

Congress Draws Plans Up to Use Military Force if Iran Enters Israel War

House Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Michael McCaul said Monday that his committee is drafting legislation to green light U.S. military force in the Middle East if the conflict between Israel and Hamas becomes a wider proxy war with Iran.

McCaul's comment, made during an interview with CNN, came as the White House announced President Joe Biden would travel to Israel and Jordan in an effort to calm tensions as the crisis deepens.

The Texas Republican wouldn't say if the White House had asked his committee to draw up an official 'Authorization of Use for Military Force,' telling the network: 'I don't want to confirm that. It's just that there is concern that - we, I'm currently, we're currently drafting one in the event it's necessary.'

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Muldar

Can you post a link, please?

I will make a thread on this.
Actually I have a few good threads that are coming up on this matter.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: face23785
Or did the Biden administration tell them in private that if Iran jumps in we won't help?

I think Biden is running scared of Iran. I really do.

However, there are those in DC who are getting ready just in case ...

Congress Draws Plans Up to Use Military Force if Iran Enters Israel War

House Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Michael McCaul said Monday that his committee is drafting legislation to green light U.S. military force in the Middle East if the conflict between Israel and Hamas becomes a wider proxy war with Iran.

McCaul's comment, made during an interview with CNN, came as the White House announced President Joe Biden would travel to Israel and Jordan in an effort to calm tensions as the crisis deepens.

The Texas Republican wouldn't say if the White House had asked his committee to draw up an official 'Authorization of Use for Military Force,' telling the network: 'I don't want to confirm that. It's just that there is concern that - we, I'm currently, we're currently drafting one in the event it's necessary.'

I'm not so sure he's scared of them so much as he's doing his best to look like he's supporting Israel while not doing anything to seriously hurt Iran. Progressives have a weird obsession with making Iran more powerful.

Congress can't force the president to use military force. All they can do is declare war and appropriate funds. The president commands the military.

I've been watching the live cams in Gaza for days and nothing is happening everyone going about their business as usual .

Reports of mass deaths after a strike on Gaza hospital-
news.sky.com...
Not clear what happened yet but more horror by the look of it.

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

Apart from all the bombing , dead, injured, homeless, displaced, queuing for food, water, no electricity?

Got a link to these cams?

This would be a good time to remind everyone that in past conflicts between Israel and Hamas, between 10 and 30% of the deaths in Gaza are actually from Hamas rockets that misfired and fell inside Gaza.

Hamas rockets have a 10-20% failure rate.

a reply to: Silcone Synapse

Just being reported on the BBC news, not yet verified.

Bad if true.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Ravenwatcher

Apart from all the bombing , dead, injured, homeless, displaced, queuing for food, water, no electricity?

Got a link to these cams?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Silcone Synapse

Just being reported on the BBC news, not yet verified.

Bad if true.

Very bad. I hope Israel is smarter than this. Most of the world is against them and Biden is just looking for an excuse to jump ship. If this is true, even if it's a mistake, they should have been more careful knowing what kind of backlash they'll face for an accident compared to Hamas's purposeful targeting of civilians.