Rockets fired at Israel from Gaza rocket attack terrorists have infiltrated from Gaza

a reply to: combatmaster

It seems that the dark side blinds you
your bloodlust and incessant need to deny reality, in order to help feel better about slaughtering innocent people, has stripped the truth from your view.
Do you know the definition of the term FNORD?

Your obfuscation of the facts and truth are beyond anything I can help you with. you are so angry that you cant even remember your own argument or the fact that I already answered your questions and gave you supporting evidence, yet your response is as contrite and barbaric as the actions you support yet you have the gaul to accuse me of supporting the same with no evidence.

If you believe you have rights to a land then by your logic, go take it.
You make claims and demand evidence, then when that evidence is presented you obfuscate the intent, derive strange conclusions and ignore the truth.

But sure, go ahead and beat your chest some more.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Muldar

So?

One person's opinion trumps everyone else's?

Not the only one.
And a Jewish person.
Take a look online to see other Jewish people arguing in a similar manner.

The reality is that when you have over 2,600 at the moment dead Palestinians and over 1,400 dead Israelis then there is no debate about what had happened, even if the numbers are not exactly accurate. But I bet there would be more and not less deaths.

That's yesterday's news.

The death toll from airstrikes, already at unprecedented levels, had reached more than 2,200. That included 724 children and 458 women, the Gaza health ministry

a reply to: Muldar

And how do millions of Jews feel about this?

In Israel?

originally posted by: WhatItIs

originally posted by: Muldar
a reply to: WhatItIs

www.theguardian.com...

The death toll from airstrikes, already at unprecedented levels, had reached more than 2,200. That included 724 children and 458 women, the Gaza health ministry said.

At least 2,200 Palestinians dead.
At least 1,200 women and children dead.
Clearly those dead can't be Hamas Militants as they are children and women or other innocent civilians (mostly)

It's clear there are thousands of people dead and the UN has said this is a humanitarian crisis.
No water, no electricity, no much food, no much petrol.Collective punishment is a war crime.
I am sure that even you can see it.

Whose count?

Then Hamas shouldn’t hide behind human shields.

That's not an excuse for mass killings of innocent civilians. We have discussed it already.

The death toll from airstrikes, already at unprecedented levels, had reached more than 2,200. That included 724 children and 458 women, the Gaza health ministry

Over 2,600 deaths with the recent counts in the Palestinian side and over 1,400 dead people in the Israeli side.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Muldar

And how do millions of Jews feel about this?

In Israel?

I can't tell you about each person's views on killings of the enemy. It's not unreasonable to want to take some revenge. But you know nobody wants to kill civilians especially children.

originally posted by: Muldar
I think at this point it's only you and maybe a few others who refuse to accept there are thousands of dead Palestinians from the air strikes.

I didn't say that. You have a problem with getting things straight.

I said that the number could be higher, that the number could be lower, or it could be anywhere in between. I said that it's impossible to know the true number because HAMAS is the one telling the numbers and they lie, because there is no electricity in Gaza, because communications are down, that digging bodies out of the rubble is impossible, and because the government of Gaza has collapsed. THAT is what I said. I never said anything about no dead Palestinians or anything about what numbers of dead there are.

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Muldar

And how do millions of Jews feel about this?

In Israel?

I can't tell you about each person's views on killings of the enemy. It's not unreasonable to want to take some revenge. But you know nobody wants to kill civilians especially children.

Nobody?

Hamas does, and has.

a reply to: Muldar

"I think at this point it's only you and maybe a few others who refuse to accept there are thousands of dead Palestinians from the air strikes."

Again, you put words in the mouths of other posters to attack them.

It's becoming a habit.

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: WhatItIs

originally posted by: Muldar
a reply to: WhatItIs

www.theguardian.com...

The death toll from airstrikes, already at unprecedented levels, had reached more than 2,200. That included 724 children and 458 women, the Gaza health ministry said.

At least 2,200 Palestinians dead.
At least 1,200 women and children dead.
Clearly those dead can't be Hamas Militants as they are children and women or other innocent civilians (mostly)

It's clear there are thousands of people dead and the UN has said this is a humanitarian crisis.
No water, no electricity, no much food, no much petrol.Collective punishment is a war crime.
I am sure that even you can see it.

Whose count?

Then Hamas shouldn’t hide behind human shields.

That's not an excuse for mass killings of innocent civilians. We have discussed it already.

The death toll from airstrikes, already at unprecedented levels, had reached more than 2,200. That included 724 children and 458 women, the Gaza health ministry

Over 2,600 deaths with the recent counts in the Palestinian side and over 1,400 dead people in the Israeli side.

You claim Israel is indiscriminately killing civilians.

I claim civilians are being killed because military targets of Hamas are using human shields.

I would say if Israel was targeting civilians they would be using wide are bombing and shelling using large area effects bombs and shells. Cheaper weapons ironically enough. Level Gaza block by block.

If Israel wasn’t targeting Hamas military targets, how would Israelis strategy be different and what different weapons would they be using.

The civilian deaths are on Hamas for using human shields.

originally posted by: datguy

Then why were there kings of long raized cities which were recognized by other kings of the time, before the israelites invaded?
And this is not simply biblical text, there are artifacts and ruins to support this

the Canaanites were a largely urban people that originated in eastern Syria, migrated southward along the Mediterranean lived mostly between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean in what is now Israel.

Depends on how far back you want to go. If we went back to 1500 DC then the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah would be well into Syria and Jordan with all of the West Bank too. We would see The Kingdom of Palestine around the lower half of Gaza that went into a good chunk of Upper Egypt.

So if you wanted to draw ancient lines then Palestine would be Gaza and northern Egypt, and Israel would be much bigger than it is today with big chunks of Syria all the west bank and huge areas across the Jordan River.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: WhatItIs

Your narrative of Israel indiscriminately targeting civilians is wrong. Israel is going after the soldiers and armaments of Hamas. Military targets. Targets Hamas places in civilian places they have no business being. Equipment that is used for the sole purpose of launching attacks against Jewish civilians.

Also, remember that Hamas is preventing people from leaving and is demanding everyone stay in place. That double flatbed of 70 people which Hamas said was an airstrike, was not done by Israel, nor was it an airstrike. It was a very localized attack with only the flatbed attacked, I wonder who would do that?

Looked at the coverage of the story. Sad it was widely reported when the propaganda was against Israel. Funny sad the story is now not as widely reported as evidence mounts the convey most likely ran into Hamas booby traps?

originally posted by: WhatItIs
I definitely don’t think Israel is without sin. But people that don’t understand Hamas is a whole magnitude or two more depraved than Israel and make excuses for Hamas are sickening.

My disclaimer has always been that Israel is also a ME country and ME can be very brutal, BUT if one measured the brutality of 20+ Muslim countries to Israel on a scale of 1 to 10 Israel is like a 1 or 2 and these other countries depending on the situation can be like a 15...

originally posted by: WhatItIs
Funny sad the story is now not as widely reported as evidence mounts the convey most likely ran into Hamas booby traps?

It quickly disappeared as 70 women and children were killed and the narrative changed from Israel doing it.

originally posted by: WhatItIs

I would say if Israel was targeting civilians they would be using wide are bombing and shelling using large area effects bombs and shells. Cheaper weapons ironically enough. Level Gaza block by block.

Something like what Russia has used to wipe city blocks of all life. This below is a civilian killer.

a reply to: datguy

a reply to: Muldar

Question to both of you, how can Israel negotiate when the other side will accept nothing but the extermination of the jewish people?

You guys keep parroting descalation yet what is the point if the other side will not accept anything other than a mountain of dead israelis?

a reply to: datguy

Put it this way.... If there are a people today that claim to be the Canaanites, and these people, throughout the past 3000 years of history have maintained the same canaanite child sacrifice, worship of idols (religion), festivals, spoken language, written language, currency, flag, song, names and culture etc.... so you know for a fact they are the Canaanites!

If they came to Israel now, then I agree.... Israel would have to cease to exist as a state and be handed over to them!
But, thank god - Canaanites no longer exist!

a reply to: Xtrozero

AKA Cluster bomb.

a reply to: pthena

Barrel bomb?

a reply to: Xtrozero

The point is that this wasn't just some vagrant hunting ground filled with nomads. People have lived there for thousands of years, had cities and kings before what what we today even realize, some of which include the bedouin who happen to be nomadic, but not the standard.
All that was before god told Abraham to kill them all.

People don't like to point that out when they are trying to demonize muslim people/religion/beliefs and justify the same type of barbarism they blame others for. They want to say it has nothing to do with happened oct. 7th, but it has everything to do with those horrible events.

You say it depends how far back I want to go, I want to know the truth, as far back as it can be found. So far the furthest point of contention between arabs and jews, is after God told Abraham to kill all the canaanites, and Israelites (named after Abrahams son Jacob) are the ones who invaded.

Those are the events that history has followed up until now. Those are the events that led to successive wars and atrocities for millenia.

It didnt start in 1947, or 1100, or 610 or 30bce
It has been raging for literally thousands of years, if not longer

originally posted by: pthena

AKA Cluster bomb.

Not a cluster bomb which is a bunch of little bombs that get spread out over an area. This is a really BIG ass one bomb full of just junk metal that cuts through builds and whatever in 360 degrees.