LIVE: Congress holds UFO hearing.

The only thing that could make me doubt the existence of aliens is TPTB saying they’re real

a reply to: SkepticalOne


If any government tried to "fake" an "alien invasion", it would fail.....embarrassingly.


Astronomers have long known the distance to the stars nearest Earth, and many if those farther out. It is a matter of simple calculation to determine how long a journey from virtually any visible star to the Earth would take at any given velocity. Physics would tell us how much energy would be necessary for any given interstellar trip, and since the planets in our own Solar system are under almost constant surveillance (not to mention the search for Near Earth Asteroids), any invasion force originating from within our neighborhood would be picked up almost immediately via non-governmental resources.


And of course, there is the question of how "they" got here without violating the known laws of physics. Believe me, Every physicist on the entire Planet will be demanding a mathematically valid answer to that question.


And a fraudulent invasion scenario won't be able to provide an answer that passes the physics "smell test".

Based on my experience, I'd wager they're more interdimensional than extraterrestrial.

originally posted by: KKLOCO
Did anyone else notice Grusch’s body language?

IMO, he seemed overwhelmingly proud of himself.

Which means, he’s still got strings and he is not an EX intelligence officer.

I wonder who his handlers are.

My thoughts exactly. Favor and Graves seemed normal compared to Grusch. He's Highly intelligent and highly trained. As I said on another thread in another post. Watch this guy like a hawk.

I think they are telling the truth.........

I think what they say is what it is........that means what they have for us , is something far far dire.......and I think thats what we need to look at.....

Everyone wanted disclosure, I dont think they understood what that would mean when it came....

In short...im glad we know, but im not sure at this point it actually matters......no one is coming to save us from what is coming but us.....


We are the saviors weve waited for.........

Stand and deliver

Seems Grusch is just throwing around terms that he doesn't even know what they mean. He was asked if bodies were recovered from some of these crafts and he said,

“As I’ve stated publicly ... biologics came with some of these recoveries, yeah,”

Well, biologics are not biological bodies or beings. The term means a biological product, such as a vaccine or medicine, or blood or blood component, etc. And a non-human biologic could be nothing more than a dog, monkey or pig biologic. In other words Grusch hasn't confirmed anything of an extraterrestrial nature, and the look he always has on his face makes him look like he knows he pulling a fast one. Don't believe a word he has said so far.

Anyway. Popcorn for sale. Barely touched. Offers.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: KKLOCO
Did anyone else notice Grusch’s body language?

IMO, he seemed overwhelmingly proud of himself.

Which means, he’s still got strings and he is not an EX intelligence officer.

I wonder who his handlers are.

My thoughts exactly. Favor and Graves seemed normal compared to Grusch. He's Highly intelligent and highly trained. As I said on another thread in another post. Watch this guy like a hawk.

Yes, his behavior is at times unusual. Ross Coulthart said Grusch is almost autistic, or shows traits of it, so maybe he is just a little eccentric in nature.

originally posted by: MrInquisitive
Seems Grusch is just throwing around terms that he doesn't even know what they mean. He was asked if bodies were recovered from some of these crafts and he said,

“As I’ve stated publicly ... biologics came with some of these recoveries, yeah,”

Well, biologics are not biological bodies or beings. The term means a biological product, such as a vaccine or medicine, or blood or blood component, etc. And a non-human biologic could be nothing more than a dog, monkey or pig biologic. In other words Grusch hasn't confirmed anything of an extraterrestrial nature, and the look he always has on his face makes him look like he knows he pulling a fast one. Don't believe a word he has said so far.

www.nbcnews.com...

Ms Mace "Do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?"

Clearly vaccine or medicine, or blood or blood component, etc can't pilot craft. You're reaching.

His answer is a direct reply to pilots of the craft.

"Non human biologics" piloting craft means there's a non human biological life form intelligently enough to pilot a craft.
Use your head MrInquisitive.

If the 'non human biologics' weren't piloting the craft then he's answer would have to clarify non human biologics weren't pilots. But he's giving a direct answer to pilots specifically.

originally posted by: andre18

originally posted by: MrInquisitive
Seems Grusch is just throwing around terms that he doesn't even know what they mean. He was asked if bodies were recovered from some of these crafts and he said,

“As I’ve stated publicly ... biologics came with some of these recoveries, yeah,”

Well, biologics are not biological bodies or beings. The term means a biological product, such as a vaccine or medicine, or blood or blood component, etc. And a non-human biologic could be nothing more than a dog, monkey or pig biologic. In other words Grusch hasn't confirmed anything of an extraterrestrial nature, and the look he always has on his face makes him look like he knows he pulling a fast one. Don't believe a word he has said so far.

www.nbcnews.com...

Ms Mace "Do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?"

Clearly vaccine or medicine, or blood or blood component, etc can't pilot craft. You're reaching.

His answer is a direct reply to pilots of the craft.

"Non human biologics" piloting craft means there's a non human biological life form intelligently enough to pilot a craft.
Use your head MrInquisitive.

If the 'non human biologics' weren't piloting the craft then he's answer would have to clarify non human biologics weren't pilots. But he's giving a direct answer to pilots specifically.

I'm going by the definition of words. This guy Grusch is a ret. major from some intelligence branch? He ought to know what he's talking about, and the precise definition of terms in regard to what he worked on for 14 years. As far as I am concerned, he gave the congress person a non-answer when asked about bodies on the craft. For that matter, how would he even know if some life form found in this supposed craft was the pilot?

He also couldn't provide one specific instance of a person being intimidated by government agents, yet claimed that he and others had been. Also claimed that he and his wife had evidence of harm caused by aliens to humans, but couldn't provide any. The guy comes off as non-credible, unlike Fravor and Graves. It's the same old flimflam. He hasn't provided any information that people haven't claimed to be true umpteen times before in UFO documentaries and news interviews.

a reply to: MrInquisitive

Then you have some form of autism.

Words can imply and encompass new definitions when new ideas and concepts present themselves in relation to them. We've never had genuine aliens inter the domain of our reality, so we don't have an exact word to identify what is clearly a new experience to be labeled within the correct context of identification.

Given that, and well as the lack of public peer-reviewed research on alien physiology, providing a definition of 'Non human biologics' until the scientific community can actually see what these aliens actually are stands to reason.

- He cant provide what he's not legally allowed to within the public eye. Get over it. Within privacy after the hearing he was more than happy to divulge pretty much everything. Which means congress will then know and act accordingly. Then eventually as more comes to light, what ever David Grusch has not said in public, we'll all find out anyway in time through more hearings and disclore thanks to Grusch's private talks with them.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
Based on my experience, I'd wager they're more interdimensional than extraterrestrial.

I agree with you on that.

I believe that the TIC-TAC and similar sightings are maybe "drones" that can be manifested in our space, used to gather information, and then returned with the data to who knows where.

Or TPTB playing with their own tech regardless of the chaos it can cause the military, FAA, or others including us.

originally posted by: kangawoo

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: KKLOCO
Did anyone else notice Grusch’s body language?

IMO, he seemed overwhelmingly proud of himself.

Which means, he’s still got strings and he is not an EX intelligence officer.

I wonder who his handlers are.

My thoughts exactly. Favor and Graves seemed normal compared to Grusch. He's Highly intelligent and highly trained. As I said on another thread in another post. Watch this guy like a hawk.

Yes, his behavior is at times unusual. Ross Coulthart said Grusch is almost autistic, or shows traits of it, so maybe he is just a little eccentric in nature.

I'd say there was a touch of Narcissism in him that flew a red flag for me. Overconfident and not controlled enough to pervey a professional attitude beyond well practiced fast speaking using all the right acronyms.

He also has Steven Greer muscles, another Narcissism red flag perhaps...lol

a reply to: nerbot

Yeah. Considering the funding of Black Projects over decades, you'd have to manifest them during a press conference if you still want to win hearts and minds with a shadowrun storyline.

I also wouldn't rule out the possibility of these types of entities being literal demons

I get a feeling like your summary, FTL materials seems like a strong limit. Unless their physics understanding is well ahead of ours. They could be demons whose only interest is to keep us in the clouds(mentally), for easy capture of our souls come death if we don't escape at body death.

This sounds far fetched, but this universe is far fetched, how does it come from nothing? As for the after life, can we trust it? i.e. you pertain but stick around waiting for something to happen as taught in ways in physical life, when really, it's a time for action to get out, otherwise your spirit/soul be possessed/consumed/abducted by these demon like things.

You being here, in a universe seemingly spawn from nowhere, is as freaky as these crafts themselves. And I think these crafts are controlled by the creatures that conjured this place.

So far, all these entities have achieved with their crafts is to feed reverse engineering material to the US army, which so happens to be used to kill other humans, or annoy other nations with unbalanced capabilities, of which embeds the physical domain's purpose of distraction. Worrying, because that's the only physical thing that is happening with these UFOs and the human race. So yeah, I don't trust any of it. If it is shown to be ground breaking physics understood by a race in another galaxy then that'll be interesting, but still. No trust.

originally posted by: SouthernForkway26
Nothing really groundbreaking to the people who are interested in this stuff and have heard these same guys answer the same questions multiple times already. It is groundbreaking to get their testimonial on congressional record.

If these things are from USA's military black project, then why would the military continue developing projects? Why build F-35s and thousands of drones at all if we have something that is multiple generations ahead of conventional military equipment?

One explanation about where they are from is they could have been considered extra-terrestrial at one time but aren't anymore. It's possible they could have an undetectable base in the ocean somewhere. What if they have been here for so long, maybe even millions of years, that they consider this their home more than ours, and we are just another creature living in the gassy atmosphere?

I wish somebody would have asked how they determined they have recovered something biological. Was it talking, was it bleeding and unconscious, was is just a pile of goo that had a DNA type of structure... Maybe we thought we had revered bodies or body parts, but they may be parts to a biological computer or something else biologically artificial.

So many questions to be answered.

They would not use these black project aircraft instead of F-35s because you keep your special craft as a last resort or when things get really bad for the US. Therefore keeping the tech safe/secret until it is really needed, where it could turn the tide to maximum effect.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

It’s definitely not like the “War of the Worlds” panic.

Slightly OT but you do realise that is a myth and there was no widespread panic.

Just that I see that referenced often and used as a reason why information is supposedly being withheld.

Not sure where you get that. It’s the American priesthood pushing for true disclosure. I don’t mean any church clergy, but an ancient Atlantean priesthood gathered in America to reverse what we did back in pre-dynastic Egypt. Novus Ordo Seclorum… that would be us, the 73 savants that are removing the ruling class from power as we speak.

We brokered a deal with the ruling class and they reneged on the deal. They were given a 9 year window to begin full disclosure. Instead they wasted their time pursuing a transhumanist agenda that failed like every other attempt to fix their worsening problem. Their power comes from line breeding hosts for high level daemons. Everyone has a daemon, it’s another word for monad or individual soul.

The difference between the ruling class and the “masses” is in their bloodlines. The masses are the “mutts” and the ruling class are the purebreds. So they’re breeding for specific qualities the rest of us don’t have, qualities that allow them to possess high level spiritual imports. They’re breeding these qualities into their own bloodlines, and out of the masses.

The problem is, the more you line breed, the more genetic degradation you get and since they bred those qualities out of the masses, there’s no way to get them back. What it means is they crapped in their own bed, and now they’re beyond screwed. You can see this in all their desperate attempts to fix their worsening problem. People can’t connect the dots because they don’t know what’s behind all of it.

We have failed attempts to introduce new genetics… princess Di and others, cloning, gene editing, transhumanism, etc. Even Jeffrey Epstein going around abducting traumatized autistic kids hoping to turn them into hosts they can control. Except autistic kids are impossible to force into doing anything against the will of their heart.

The American priesthood is a group of autistic savants that thru breeding, specialized shamanic training, and arcane mental technology have managed to host the 72 daemons at the top of the daemonic hierarchy. That pyramid on the back of a dollar bill… that’s us. We work for Humanity, not the ruling class. We are what the ruling class fears, and justifiably so.



reply to: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: MrInquisitive
Seems Grusch is just throwing around terms that he doesn't even know what they mean. He was asked if bodies were recovered from some of these crafts and he said,

“As I’ve stated publicly ... biologics came with some of these recoveries, yeah,”

Well, biologics are not biological bodies or beings. The term means a biological product, such as a vaccine or medicine, or blood or blood component, etc. And a non-human biologic could be nothing more than a dog, monkey or pig biologic. In other words Grusch hasn't confirmed anything of an extraterrestrial nature, and the look he always has on his face makes him look like he knows he pulling a fast one. Don't believe a word he has said so far.

You would think scientists would be able to know if it was an animal and Grusch would know this analysis early on. He would be a real turd to not then say, well, the biologics were of animal origin.

Reading the definition of biologic, yeah blood. Interesting.

Also, it's possible he didn't simply use the word blood, because if you're going to leave the world gasping with 'non-human', why not just say, the 'blood' was non-human. Yes, biologics may sound more weird. I wonder though, if what they found was like blood, but can't be called that, due to the weird look, texture and nature of it goes beyond blood as a fitting word. Makes me wonder if crazily enough, they found alien goo or something.

Read up on Admiral Richard E. Byrd's expeditions to the Antarctic after World War II and read his flight log. How have you never heard of this before?