LIVE: Congress holds UFO hearing.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Are you sure about that? There are many religions and many sects of these religions and they believe various things. Most the Christians I know dont disbelieve that God created other worlds. It's not mentioned in the Bible. But Christians do not believe angels nor demons came from Earth, so they do believe in extraterrestrials by definition.

I can't speak in depth about other religions, but I have spoken to Muslims, in their own country about ET, and they very much have stories and wonders and do not find it against the Koran. Inshalla If Allah wills it, there will be ETs.

I always find it amusing when someone grumbles about religion.

I can be complete at ease and comfortable in any place of worship on Earth. Can you?

No you can't. You will be flogged and driven out. You have no experience of others places of worship. Your faith wont keep you alive.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

Inshalla If Allah wills it, there will be ETs.

Yes a common term , Not unlike " The Lord works in Mysterious ways " . Sort of a cover all if you will.

Are you sure about that? There are many religions and many sects of these religions and they believe various things. Most the Christians I know dont disbelieve that God created other worlds. It's not mentioned in the Bible. But Christians do not believe angels nor demons came from Earth, so they do believe in extraterrestrials by definition.

Now yes Christians have come to terms with these beliefs but twenty ago they would have thrown you from the Church for believing such things. It's only recently that Christianity has learned not to take the Bible so Literal. But of course if the Books of Enoch were included in the original Cannon then we wouldn't have the issues would we ?

I can be complete at ease and comfortable in any place of worship on Earth. Can you?

i admit I would have to seek out a Lodge rather than a Church.

originally posted by: introufo
Deep conspiracy?

WARNING?

Two things happened today outside of these hearings that may be related, and a WARNING...
First, even though this is a bipartisan effort, notably, it’s the Republicans ( AND I SAY GOOD TO THEM) who are mainly pushing this, and the Dems, maybe though supportive, are taking a back seat.

Two things happened today outside of this UFO hearing that very conspiratorily and synchronistically or DELIBERATELY may be related...

One, the physical collapse or freezing of the GOP head of the Senate, Mitch McConnell, and two, from the Dem side the collapse of the Biden deal to keep him out of jail.

Coincidence or a deep dark power at work warning both sides?
PUBICALLY

Back off this UFO stuff!

Oof. Imagine being so enthralled by the petty, artificial two party partisan psyop that you'll imagine that every hearing - even ones scheduled months I'm advance - are a Republican or Democrat conspiracy. No one cares about McConnell, or Biden - not enough to put together an elaborate UAP hoax to cover for either of them. It's definitely possible - and highly probable - that the ruling class has a vested interest in exploiting these hearings or to use it as a means of distraction, but to assert that this is a Democrat vs Republican sort of thing is just so basic. The truth of the matter is that - at least in the US - we have only one Party, and differences and schisms are highlighted to create an illusion of choice where none (or almost none) exists. It's just a dog and pony show, my friend. The true motives of the elite are concealed behind the veil of the state actors and basic politicians in basic political parties.

a reply to: putnam6

What are you going on about? Do you seriously believe you'll ever get the truth from your government? Are you really that gullible

Hmmm …I’m feeling anticlimactic from today’s event……I get the “it’s no big deal”.

It’s definitely not like the “War of the Worlds” panic.

I realize it’s not full disclosure…yet I have the feeling when it happens ….it’s still going to be “it’s no big deal”

I’ll wake up the following day after the announcement…..and go back to my daily routine.

It’s like waiting for an upcoming holiday….making all the preparations….then the one day holiday comes, and by the next morning it’s back to the same o same o.

Is it strange that the excitement of the existence of craft and aliens, will be a short lived?

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originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
Hmmm …I’m feeling anticlimactic from today’s event……I get the “it’s no big deal”.

It’s definitely not like the “War of the Worlds” panic.

I realize it’s not full disclosure…yet I have the feeling when it happens ….it’s still going to be “it’s no big deal”

I’ll wake up the following day after the announcement…..and go back to my daily routine.

It’s like waiting for an upcoming holiday….making all the preparations….then the one day holiday comes, and by the next morning it’s back to the same o same o.

Is it strange that the excitement of the existence of craft and aliens, will be a short lived?

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Yeah, like they are playing games with us. Show proof, that's all I ask. They think we can't handle it. Period.

a reply to: quintessentone

Name one religion that does not have provision for outsiders to be welcome?

Im sincerely curious about what your experiences have been that you would say this!

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: quintessentone

Name one religion that does not have provision for outsiders to be welcome?

Im sincerely curious about what your experiences have been that you would say this!

Indeed you are very curious about me.

a reply to: JKLTO

They use anti-gravity to warp spacetime around them, allowing them to travel in a bubble faster than light.

From The Guardian…..

Pentagon denials

But the Pentagon has denied Grusch’s claims of a cover-up. In a statement, a defense department spokesperson said investigators had not discovered “any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently”.

Doubts linger

Not everyone was convinced by Grusch’s testimony. At times, he appeared less forthcoming under oath than he had been in media interviews. In the interview with NewsNation in June, Grusch claimed the government had “very large, like a football-field kind of size” alien craft, while he told Le Parisien, a French newspaper, that the US had possession of a “bell-like craft” which Benito Mussolini’s government had recovered in northern Italy in 1933. On Wednesday, he was reluctant to go into details on those claims, citing issues of security. Garrett Graff, a journalist and historian who is writing a book on the government’s hunt for UFOs, tweeted: “Very interesting to me that Dave Grusch is unwilling to state and repeat under oath at the #UFOHearings the most explosive – and outlandish – of his claims from his NewsNation interview. He seems to be very carefully dancing around repeating them.”

Legislation to come

In his closing remarks, Republican congressman Glenn Grothman described the hearing as “illuminating” and said he believed legislation would follow. Grothman, the chair of the House subcommittee on national security, the border and foreign affairs, said: “Obviously, I think several of us are going to look forward to getting some answers in a more confidential setting. I assume some legislation will come out of this.”

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originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
From The Guardian…..

Pentagon denials

But the Pentagon has denied Grusch’s claims of a cover-up. In a statement, a defense department spokesperson said investigators had not discovered “any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently”.

Doubts linger

Not everyone was convinced by Grusch’s testimony. At times, he appeared less forthcoming under oath than he had been in media interviews. In the interview with NewsNation in June, Grusch claimed the government had “very large, like a football-field kind of size” alien craft, while he told Le Parisien, a French newspaper, that the US had possession of a “bell-like craft” which Benito Mussolini’s government had recovered in northern Italy in 1933. On Wednesday, he was reluctant to go into details on those claims, citing issues of security. Garrett Graff, a journalist and historian who is writing a book on the government’s hunt for UFOs, tweeted: “Very interesting to me that Dave Grusch is unwilling to state and repeat under oath at the #UFOHearings the most explosive – and outlandish – of his claims from his NewsNation interview. He seems to be very carefully dancing around repeating them.”

Legislation to come

In his closing remarks, Republican congressman Glenn Grothman described the hearing as “illuminating” and said he believed legislation would follow. Grothman, the chair of the House subcommittee on national security, the border and foreign affairs, said: “Obviously, I think several of us are going to look forward to getting some answers in a more confidential setting. I assume some legislation will come out of this.”

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We know better than the Guardian, now don't we! They are only observers or researchers of observers of UFOs UAPs, not real abductees. They are in the dark still.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

That is not true at all. The 50s were full of UFO sightings where I grew up and I don't remember anyone that would have freaked about it if they were discussed. Even devote Christians. On the subject of ET, it wasn't much different from now.

I read pulp magazines like Galaxy and Science Fiction magazine that me dad subscribed starting in about 1960. I could buy UFO magazines at the corner store that were full of black and white pictures and stories. Little podunk town of less than 50k people.

Dont act like everyone was walking around wearing scarlet letters and excommunicating their neighbors and leaving them out in the cold. It wasn't like that. Tons of people didn't go to church at all, and tons did. It wasn't something everyone got particularly worked up about.


Dead Sea Scrolls vaildated Book of Enoch and they were 50s ish? Some Eastern Orthodox Bibles contain the Book(s) of Enoch.

After watching the full AP video of the hearing (Ty op) I was impressed.

They clearly did not like the guy who testified a couple weeks ago that there was no credible UAP material that he had seen. Grush strait up called him a liar and said he had provided him info. I got a chuckle out of that.

I enjoyed hearing Commander Fravor describe his encounter without all the history channel edits, interruptions and fluff. I’ve wanted that for a long time.

I was surprised by the new-to-me description of an incident by Geatz. Apparently after arguing with the airforce he saw clear picture of a UAP taken by military aircraft. There were four in formation that jammed the military sensors. I hope that picture gets released!

Would love to be a fly-on-the-wall at the soon to be scheduled closed door session where they name names and get to see data. Hope someone leaks that!

a reply to: quintessentone

Seems you can't answer, because you must have made it up.

I guess it just doesn't occur to you that being comfortable somewhere would mean being welcome somewhere, not intruding where outsiders are not allowed.

So your BS comment didn't make any sense to me at all, as usual.

Nothing really groundbreaking to the people who are interested in this stuff and have heard these same guys answer the same questions multiple times already. It is groundbreaking to get their testimonial on congressional record.

If these things are from USA's military black project, then why would the military continue developing projects? Why build F-35s and thousands of drones at all if we have something that is multiple generations ahead of conventional military equipment?

One explanation about where they are from is they could have been considered extra-terrestrial at one time but aren't anymore. It's possible they could have an undetectable base in the ocean somewhere. What if they have been here for so long, maybe even millions of years, that they consider this their home more than ours, and we are just another creature living in the gassy atmosphere?

I wish somebody would have asked how they determined they have recovered something biological. Was it talking, was it bleeding and unconscious, was is just a pile of goo that had a DNA type of structure... Maybe we thought we had revered bodies or body parts, but they may be parts to a biological computer or something else biologically artificial.

So many questions to be answered.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
From The Guardian…..

Not everyone was convinced by Grusch’s testimony. At times, he appeared less forthcoming under oath than he had been in media interviews. In the interview with NewsNation in June, Grusch claimed the government had “very large, like a football-field kind of size” alien craft, while he told Le Parisien, a French newspaper, that the US had possession of a “bell-like craft” which Benito Mussolini’s government had recovered in northern Italy in 1933. On Wednesday, he was reluctant to go into details on those claims, citing issues of security. Garrett Graff, a journalist and historian who is writing a book on the government’s hunt for UFOs, tweeted: “Very interesting to me that Dave Grusch is unwilling to state and repeat under oath at the #UFOHearings the most explosive – and outlandish – of his claims from his NewsNation interview. He seems to be very carefully dancing around repeating them.”

Good catch. Noted.

I think this was a good step.

If Grusch provides the evidence behind closed doors to the congress, we should be able to garner how strong said evidence is by what comes next, and the behavior of those who were privy to the evidence.

Personally, I believe it's real, I believe what the 3 witnesses are presenting.

Even if we don't get many answers, removing the stigma is a massive step and can only help to get a broader range of experts looking into this phenomenon, and hopefully more leaks.

On a side note, what if Ai goes the way that many are predicting? in two- or three-years Ai is a million or a billion times smarter than us, will it not be able to hack anything and or run all the data points and come to a conclusive conclusion?

It does feel to me we are on some kind of precipice.

At 4:36 MS. Mace "Who in the government, what agency, sub agency, what contractors, who should be called in to the next hearing about UAP's, either in a public setting or even in a private setting. And you probably cant name names, but what agencies or organizations, contractors etc do we need to call in to get these questions answered, whether its about funding, what programs are happening whats out there?

Mr Grusch "I can give you a specific cooperative and hostile witness list of specific individuals that were in those."

MS. Mace "And how soon can we get that list?"

Mr Grusch "Im happy to provide that to you after the hearing."



This exchange is indeed significant. It demonstrates that lawmakers, represented here by Ms. Mace, are seriously pursuing more information UAPs. The request for specific agencies, sub-agencies, contractors, and individuals to call for future hearings indicates a desire to drill down to the details of UAP encounters.

Moreover, the willingness of Mr. Grusch to provide a list of cooperative and hostile witnesses signifies that there are differing perspectives and possible internal conflicts within the government and military apparatus about these incidents and their implications. The existence of a "hostile witness list" implies there are individuals or groups who may be resistant to these investigations, perhaps out of skepticism, or due to other reasons such as national security concerns, or not wanting certain programs or funding streams brought into the public eye.

The request for this list and the promise to deliver it may result in future hearings that could provide significant revelations about UAP encounters, governmental and military responses to them, and any existing or ongoing programs related to them

If David Grusch follows through with providing a list of cooperative and hostile witnesses, we could expect the next hearings to be quite illuminating, although the content would heavily depend on who exactly is on those lists. We might see the following developments:

Revelation of Programs and Funding: If individuals or representatives from certain agencies or contractors are called who are involved in projects related to UAPs, we might learn more about the nature of these projects, their funding, their objectives, and their findings. For instance, we might hear from people involved in the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) or its successors.

Testimony of Encounter Witnesses: If military personnel or others who have reported UAP encounters are on the list, their testimonies could provide more details about these incidents. First-hand accounts could add depth and context to the overall picture of UAP phenomena.

Scientific Analysis: If scientists or technical experts are included, they could provide an analysis of the phenomena, giving their perspective on what could explain the reported behaviors of UAPs, which often defy our current understanding of physics.

National Security Discussions: If the list includes defense or intelligence officials, they could discuss the potential national security implications of these phenomena. However, depending on the sensitivity of the information, this might be part of a classified or closed session.

Contrasting Perspectives: With both cooperative and hostile witnesses, we might see contrasting perspectives on the UAP issue. While some may argue for the importance of continued investigation and transparency, others might downplay the phenomena or argue against the allocation of resources to study them.

Policy Debates: Depending on the testimonies and findings presented, these could trigger debates over future policies. For example, there may be discussions over whether to increase funding for UAP research, whether to establish new programs or agencies dedicated to this issue, or how to handle public communication about UAPs.

originally posted by: 0bserver1
a reply to: Arbitrageur

It's so hilarious that people like yourself underline pseudo researchers or self taught researchers more credible as the military high ranked officers who work decades with that multi-billion equipment not seeing or recording what they've witnessed and shared to be accurate or credible? .

The so-called "pyramid" video that Corbell was promoting doesn't really show a pyramid, so the only person whose credibility is demolished by that claim is Corbell. The video I posted clearly demonstrates even the stars ahave pyramid/triangle shapes so whoever is claiming other objects in the video have pyramid shapes completely lacks credibility, Corbell specifically in that case.

I'm not aware of any Navy representative saying they believed as Corbell stated the object was a pyramid UFO. They just claimed they initially didn't know what it was. The Navy never admitted whether or not they figured out it was a plane and the pentagon spokesperson said the military is not going to share the findings of their UAP investigations with the public. So your comments about credibility are totally out of context with respect to that post you replied to. Corbell is a filmmaker so he should be familiar with the photographic artifact called bokeh, and either he's not or he pretends to not be familiar with it.

If you have analytical and critical thinking skills you too could determine that it's bokeh and you wouldn't need to talk about Corbell's credibility or complete lack of it when he tells you it's something else.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: quintessentone

Name one religion that does not have provision for outsiders to be welcome?

Im sincerely curious about what your experiences have been that you would say this!

He already mentioned Islam. The Koran doesn't seem very welcoming to non-believers or idolaters which is what they call those who are not strict Muslims:

The Koran does say to kill infidels
The Koran (translated by Dawood in Penguin Classics series) says, "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them" (Sura 9:5). "When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads" (Sura 47:4). "Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate" (Sura 9:73). "The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan" (Sura 4:76). Who are these idolaters and unbelievers and infidels? Those who are not strict Muslims. "Muhammad is God's Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" (Sura 48:29).

I sent the stream to my friend who’s like one of those political guys and a UFO guy, he thinks its a cover up to cover all the stuff coming out against Biden and that we’re being set up for a fake alien invasion. He thinks the fake alien invasion will be like a Covid event so the government can get more control. He wonders how we’ve had this info for decades and it’s just coming out now thinks it’s fishy, similar to the gov with vaccines he thinks he can detect something weird. Fear being the ultimate weapon of the deep state and I know what happened during Covid he ended it with.

Me personally I don’t buy any of what he wrote but I’m curious how many people here on this forum think any of this is true or what should I counter with. I’m personally not convinced these crafts are from another planet yet or same planet dif dimension. I mean if you gave me money to pick A. They will give us all the information fully show us aliens and stuff from other planets and theres no power grab or B. They will create a fake UFO hoax to grab power never fully reveal anything from another planet besides people claiming bits and pieces by mouth or on text. I would prob pick option B.