LIVE: Congress holds UFO hearing.

a reply to: MrInquisitive

Doesn't it seem strange...that if "humanoid" = "non-human", why didn't the Congressional Subcommittee simply ask Grusch if the creature or creatures are humanoids or not?

Or does Grusch wants to keep it secret to the public, that they are possibly humanoids involved?

"Humanoid"

source:

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Etathia

Says who? Grusch? Have you seen his authorization approval forms? If this is true, he could show us the forms.

I held a clearance for many years. I could tell you things I could only talk about in a SCIF too. And you would likely be bored to tears. But me telling you I could is meaningless, isnt it? Do you believe me, just a person on the internet. Why would you believe Grusch?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, not just tales woven around a narrative.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
Maybe we want Russia and China to BELIEVE we have alien tech?

There WOULD be an advantage to that, and it's been done before. Lying about stuff you have that you haven't got so that your enemies fear you more.

You forgot the other plus a sighting of new tech can be played off as a UFO. Gives them the ability to deny all kinds of things after all aliens did it. If they sent an aircraft over Russia it was aliens.

Im going to say our tech is a lot further advanced then we believe it is..

www.defensenews.com...

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

The fact that he’s never personally witnessed the craft or bodies, yet he’s soooo EXCITED about them — screams PSYOP.

I want to see his bank account. I’d be willing to bet a lot of money that he’s still getting automatic deposits from the government.

I think he’s full of it, but believes what he’s saying, as it came from on high.

a reply to: dragonridr

Do we even need pilots anymore? Shouldn’t we have a non-pilot military fighter jet, being flown by AI instead?

I didn’t read anything of the new fighter having AI incorporated.

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originally posted by: socialmediaclown
a reply to: putnam6

What are you going on about? Do you seriously believe you'll ever get the truth from your government? Are you really that gullible

Nah man Im just watching the dog and pony show...

believe the government? jeez look at my history

Where did I say suggest or infer we are getting the truth from our government, and that I believe them in this instance or any other instance?

Have made it clear in this thread what I believe will happen in regards to the UAP situation, and mentioned I agreed with another poster that said it will likely be a few inconsequential nuggets of info here and there and a whole lot of subterfuge and outright lies.

Even early in the thread, I suggested if nothing else we will hopefully get a chit load more encounters and stories to listen to.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

Im not saying i believe him necessarily. But surely you could request a FOIA on his request to DOPSR to see if he did or not, im guessing someone already has though. Black vault maybe. And for the record i dont believe UAP’s/UFO’s are aliens. But i do believe the US government and SAP contractors are in possession of extraordinary technology that could be mistaken for that.

a reply to: dragonridr

You bet we have considered the possibility that these sightings are Russian or Chinese tech. I think it's more likely to be ours.

When I grew up in NM in the 50s, class of 73, my dad was an engineer at White Sands working on Athena missiles. These were 3 stage rockets fired from Utah which would land on the range at White Sands. NASA did a study to see when most people are tucked in their beds asleep, and thats when they would fire the rockets. Thursday night around midnight. My dad would call the house and my mom and I would go outside and watch it drop its stages and disappear behind the mtn. I imagine that anyone else saw it, they could think it was a UFO. They always got a few reports. The Airforce/Army would say, thank you for the report, and that was it. Nothing like, oh that was us.

The point is, NASA et. al. is concerned with stuff not being seen by large numbers of people.

I can tell you some crazy stories about that time. They found Russians camping out in the desert in vans periodically, with tracking equipment. This was back when we didn't have nearly as much surveillance capability.

So NM is ripe with UFO activity, most of it from the base(s). But not all. My highly knowlegable and complete skeptic rocket scientist father saw a tictac hovering over out back on our acre, in broad daylight on a sunny sunday afernoon. He said, it isn't ours. It changed him. I missed seeing it by about 30 seconds when he ran in the house shook to his foundation. It was also witnessed and reported by someone else at the base that lived in El Paso. Quite a coincidence, yeah? So there was speculation it might be Russian, spying on our scientists, but nothing else was ever heard or reported. Yes, my father took it seriously enough to report it, even tho' yes, there was a stigma to it. Because of the possibilty it could have been Russian.

Such were the times.

a reply to: KKLOCO

From Joe Murgia Twitter post…..

(My bolding)

If you're one of those folks poking fun at how David Grusch speaks, or is buying into the idea that, "Grusch is being deceptive because his body language says so"?

Ross Coulthart: "It doesn't take into account the quite understandable differences between somebody who, on Dave's admission, he's autistic, and he was also talking about the most incredible story in human history. I think he can be excused for feeling slightly nervous."

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originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
What if this is just a smoke screen to make Russia and China think twice about what tech we have that they don't know about .

Did you see the post about 8 posts before yours where CoyoteAngels said about the same thing?

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
Maybe we want Russia and China to BELIEVE we have alien tech?

There WOULD be an advantage to that, and it's been done before. Lying about stuff you have that you haven't got so that your enemies fear you more.

Speculative, but it's logical speculation. That may not be the only reason, but it seems like a good one.

That's what I replied earlier, but I didn't say what the other reasons were. But dragonrider has guessed another good reason! See below.

originally posted by: dragonridr
You forgot the other plus a sighting of new tech can be played off as a UFO. Gives them the ability to deny all kinds of things after all aliens did it.

Yes, that's the other main reason I was thinking of. People see advanced US tech outside of a testing range, report a UFO. Must be aliens, can't be advanced US tech, they would never fly such tech outside of area 51 testing range, would they? (Yes they would, they did it with the stealth aircraft F-117 before it was declassified and it even looked like a flying saucer from some angles).

a reply to: Etathia

Unless the request is also classified.....

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One thing is for sure; the disclosure side definitely is playing up the UAP threat idea.
Grusch is UAP threat gung-ho, and gong ho, there’s a sinister government cover-up.
Fravor said it was a threat without any evidence that it is a threat, just that they're so powerful.

In my opinion……what’s going on currently are the prophecies shown in my signature block…..

To reiterate:

From the Old Testament…

JEREMIAH 10:2 Hear what the Lord says to you people of Israel. This is what the Lord says: “Do not learn the ways of the nations or be terrified by signs in the heavens though the nations are terrified by them.”


From the New Testament…

LUKE 21:11 “There will be great earthquakes and in various places famines and pestilences. And there will be terrors and great signs from heaven.”

UAP’s are those signs in our skies….for our current generation…imo

ADDITION: I realize prophecies can be subjective and applied to any timeframe once written…..but with what’s going on now…..I think both prophecies are……on point.

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

That could be read referring to the bombs in the sky by human beings, not necessity UAPs that, as far as I know, don’t represent a terror other than the exoticness of them...

But human bombs from the sky are certainly terrible.

Anything’s possible, though, when we are in the dark.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
a reply to: dragonridr

Do we even need pilots anymore? Shouldn’t we have a non-pilot military fighter jet, being flown by AI instead?

I didn’t read anything of the new fighter having AI incorporated.

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I have thought a lot about this and I have to say yes. Of course, drones will be involved under AI control; a great example is the f35. Where on board computer systems use them to protect the plane and gain additional data while providing jamming capabilities.

But why I pilot I believe we need someone that can understand the consequences of their decisions. I read an article recently where an AI drone tried to attack its handler. The drone was programmed to make points by attacking targets the operator kept taking away targets and marking them as friendly. Turns out they misspoke and it didn't actually happen but it could. I know back in the 80s a Russian refused to fire because he knew something wasn't right his gut feeling prevented ww3.

a reply to: WhiteHorse

As far as ETs and aliens go… they’re US, and the rest is a bunch of wordplay and misdirection. EVERYTHING in this world is misused as a tool to manipulate the masses. If you know what this world is, you know why, and the real dilemma we face as Humanity.

So it’s really all about consciousness, our dual state, and the war of opposites within Self. Oddly enough, that’s also what the Bible is about. This is why what’s playing out on the world stage is following the book of Revelation, not literally but thru symbolic correspondences. “Scripture” is a method of writing used to hide the truth in plain sight, and it’s remarkably effective. Disclosure on the outside is the Revelation on the inside.

Disclosure comes from within YOU thru intuition, not from some external self appointed authority who’s proven over and over ad nauseam that all they do is lie for their own greed. It’s theatre and it’ll be used as a tool to eliminate or control free thinking individuals just like everything else going on. Meanwhile, the intuition we lost to this world in following our intellect is being rebuilt within our collective subconscious.

The entire structure of the death cult we exist in is crumbling from within. We don’t see it, but the ruling class does, as nothing seems to be going their way these days and that’s not something they’re used to. Talk about sore losers. They’re pissed because a bunch of autistic kids beat them at their own game. We’re changing this world, the only question is “in whose image?” ours or theirs. By ours, I mean Humanity as a whole, by theirs I mean an illegitimate ruling class that has sold out Humanity for a few dollars more.

Wordplay: Alien refers to the god within you, your inner child. The two of you became “alienated” when our intellect killed our intuition in early childhood. Remember the serpent in the garden? That was your inner child, the real god within you telling you the truth, back when he still spoke to you. Remember Cain killing Abel? That was your intellect killing your intuition, the connection between You and US. It’s a connection that once restored, will give every human individual full control over their own reality down to the atomic level.

It comes after first contact, when you first meet US within YOU. That’s where you’re shown the truth of life and death, of you, of us, and the incredible Human heritage we all share. It’s a no BS experience that will have you on your knees in tears, because you got reunited with everything you lost. That’s when you learn what humility really is, when you realize that the whole of Humanity has conspired on your behalf to make YOUR dream come true. Ask and ye shall receive.

Extraterrestrial also refers to the same thing. Man is terrestrial because we live on the outer surface of consciousness. The reason it’s called objective consciousness, is because all we’re conscious of are surfaces… flat earth. So technically speaking, everything below the surface within our subconscious is “extraterrestrial” because it doesn’t exist in objective consciousness. All the world’s a stage, and what’s playing out on it is a metaphorical representation of what’s happening within us.

The reason we NEED disclosure is because genuine understanding is the only way out of the pickle knowledge without understanding got us into. There’s no understanding until we discover who WE are, and that’s what’s being disclosed.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
In my opinion……what’s going on currently are the prophecies shown in my signature block…..

To reiterate:

From the Old Testament…

JEREMIAH 10:2 Hear what the Lord says to you people of Israel. This is what the Lord says: “Do not learn the ways of the nations or be terrified by signs in the heavens though the nations are terrified by them.”


From the New Testament…

LUKE 21:11 “There will be great earthquakes and in various places famines and pestilences. And there will be terrors and great signs from heaven.”

UAP’s are those signs in our skies….for our current generation…imo

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Or the biblical and Quranic tale about Jonah --- Instead of Jonah being swallowed-up by a big fish or whale --- He was taken aboard an alien starship --- And then let go to do Gaods work.

a reply to: Spacespider

am i late for this? yeah looking at replies it's from the 26th. totally shocked these events haven't made world news. what happened? if the roswell crash test dummies didn't get a run i'm gonna be dissapointed. oh, and the tic tacs, definitely the tic tacs ... a formidable and .. research worthy.. thing.. and that

rofl

a reply to: HeirHeart

I’m sure you might have read this…..jus a small fyi

NASA used religious experts to predict how humans may react to aliens

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originally posted by: Emit1
a reply to: Spacespider

am i late for this? yeah looking at replies it's from the 26th. totally shocked these events haven't made world news. what happened? if the roswell crash test dummies didn't get a run i'm gonna be dissapointed. oh, and the tic tacs, definitely the tic tacs ... a formidable and .. research worthy.. thing.. and that

rofl

Speaking of "world" news...

The United States is just 6% of the world's land mass.
Source: www.worldometers.info...

Isn't it more likely other countries are in possession of crashed alien craft and bodies of pilots/passengers?