LIVE: Congress holds UFO hearing.

originally posted by: ARM1986

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: ARM1986
Grusch is very smooth. A bit too smooth for my liking. He’s hitting all the right notes but there’s no tune. Very little said was not already known here. Baby steps I guess, hopefully, but it’s probably more likely mid direction for another purpose. I expect to hear more about how dangerous and what a threat these entities are - when they clearly are not.

The one thing that has interested me is the Non Human Intelligence angle. Feels like they’re trying to say that there is another intelligent race right here on Earth. Maybe, just maybe, our alien visitors are not here for us at all, but to visit the actual intelligence on the planet. A bit chains of the sea.

FWIW he can't divulge some stuff because of his security clearance oath, it makes sense

It does, yes, but he’s still very smooth. Just, I dunno, something about him doesn’t sit right.

Don't know if it's relevant to what you mean, he is autistic, I thought he seemed a bit cocky at first, when he did the original interview.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: introufo
I still don’t see how Grusch is any whistleblower when he saw nothing but tells us traditional UFO lore one can get from reading UFO books.

Now, if he were on some of these ufo crash missions or studied the biological entities himself, that would be different.

Grusch was fantastic...Watch him like a hawk.

Also, he reports alleged crimes. Well, he has too to justify calling himself a whistleblower; otherwise, all he did was commit crimes himself by telling us this classified info.

Whistleblowers are whistleblowers because they report crimes, not just what their gov. agency LEGALLY does.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1 Given Corbell’s informal attire….I could see why Knapp was probably happy not to sit next to him….as a matter of fact, nobody at all wanted to sit next to him, on his left side, front row seats no less. Perhaps he was odor offensive…….just an observation

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I could be wrong, but I think the three chairs to Corbell's left were previously occupied by the three testifying whistleblowers before they moved to the table, as the first chair beside him has a small sign that says "Reserved For Witness", and signs on each of the next two chairs reading: "Reserved". Why they wouldn't all mention it being reserved for a witness seems off, but perhaps they felt it was redundant to mention it 3 times in a row? Seems silly but this is Congress we're talking about. I dunno, I didn't see the moments before the hearing started, but that's the only reason that I can think of for the empty seats, aside from "BO" 😆

I think it was said best, quoted from the movie Men in black. When Tommy Lee Jones says to Will Smith after he asks why they don't just tell people, why the secret? He says " A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."
They are never going to full disclose anything to humans. Period.

a reply to: putnam6

The problem with hearing and seeing and speaking in the SCIF…..is it has to stay in the SCIF. You are bound not to share what you learned with anyone outside of the SCIF.

So yes….the congressional folks may learn in great detail from Grusch in a SCIF….but you as a commoner will never know what they’ve been told and shown in the detail they received it…..Even in the next hearing.

So, your still left in the dark somewhat.

Imo….

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originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: KKLOCO
Did anyone else notice Grusch’s body language?

IMO, he seemed overwhelmingly proud of himself.

Which means, he’s still got strings and he is not an EX intelligence officer.

I wonder who his handlers are.

Handlers? sounds like you are expecting a psyop. Perhaps but for now I was impressed by both the pilots and Grusch well now the clock is ticking we will see how Burchett and the other congressmen and women respond after the SCIF meetings.

To some degree or another, everything related to government or military at this scale should be treated as a psyop. Even if everything the testifying witnesses are speaking up about is true and accurate, that information will be integrated as part of greater psyop, if it wasn't already a part of one in advance of their testimony (and it more than likely was).

My sense is that this is some kind of limited hangout operation. Although the number of ordinary people seeing things in the sky was already getting to be a bit too much to continue sweeping under the rug, the number of incidents being documented by (an increasingly talkative but out of the loop) rank and file military personnel has made feigning ignorance on the matter impossible to continue.

I don't know if we're dealing with spacefaring ETs or if the tech is dimensional or simply Earth based in origin, but - whatever it is - I think we're going to get some limited amounts of factual information mixed with some unnecessary details that will keep the public and our braindead politicians (who likely know not much more than we do, in terms of what's above top secret) aimlessly chattering and chasing down dead end leads - or in other words, business as usual. In that sense, this entire thing very likely is a huge psyop. The real question is - to what end?

Damn... but he did say biological matter from the crash site?? Need to re-watch. a reply to: WhiteHorse

A lot of people were sort of cheering the National Security angle of all of this like it would drive more investigation, but what they actually did was get congressional testimony validating their stance that none of this can be disclosed because it shows weaknesses in national security.

While technically true, that is historically only relevant to adversaries. If it is in fact non-human, then the weaknesses are well-understood by that adversary and sharing the information won't endanger national security any more than it already does.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
a reply to: putnam6

The problem with hearing and seeing and speaking in the SCIF…..is it has to stay in the SCIF. You are bound not to share what you learned with anyone outside of the SCIF.

So yes….the congressional folks may learn in great detail from Grusch in a SCIF….but you as a commoner will never know what they’ve been told and shown in the detail they received it…..Even in the next hearing.

So, your still left in the dark somewhat.

Imo….

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Yeah, your right, being that SCIF actually stands for:

Secrets Concealed Irretrievably Forever

Well, that's what it means, in essence...Unless one of those Congresspersons has the courage to leak it to the public.

originally posted by: jonnyc55
Damn... but he did say biological matter from the crash site?? Need to re-watch. a reply to: WhiteHorse

Rep. Mace asks Grusch about whether he believes the US government has made contact with extraterrestrial intelligence.

Grusch: "That's something that I can't discuss in a public setting."

Mace: "If you believe we have crashed craft, as stated earlier - do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?"

Grusch replies: "As I've stated publicly already...biologics came from some of these recoveries - yeah.

Mace: "Um, were they...human or non-human biologics?"

Grusch: "Non-human. And that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I talk to that are currently still in the program."

Mace: "And was this documented evidence referenced in video, photos, eyewitness - like how would that be determined?"

Grusch: "The specific documentation, I would have to talk to you in a skiff [closed door meeting] about."

Mace: "Gotcha."

Mace then asked Grusch which agencies, sub-agencies and contractors should they call to testify for the next UAP-related hearing. Grusch said that he would provide her with a list of cooperative and hostile individuals who have knowledge of the matter, post hearing.

That seemed to be the most pertinent and memorable part of the hearing, at least regarding your comment.

MIA….was the vanguard of Elizondo, Mellon, and Greer….if anything, at least for support.

I wonder why 🤔

Hopefully up next…AARO and NASA. But when…is the question

UPDATE: Mellon makes it to Fox…..the segment should show up on YouTube at some point.


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Nothing new here. Surprise, surprise.

The only thing I learned is that congressman Eric Burlison (R) has no idea of interstellar distances, suggesting that any ET civilizations would have to be billions of light years away (see 1:55:0 in the top OP video).

Fravor and Graves are credible as always, but had nothing new to say. Grusch just sounds like the usual UFO/UAP flimflam artist. Even when asked about intimidation by the government, he provides no specific examples.

This hearing was just another clown show on the subject.

originally posted by: kiliker30
I think it was said best, quoted from the movie Men in black. When Tommy Lee Jones says to Will Smith after he asks why they don't just tell people, why the secret? He says " A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."
They are never going to full disclose anything to humans. Period.

The problem now is there will be so much speculation as to what it is, our imagination will be worse than what it may be but my hope is somebody has been sitting on evidence and brings it forward

Rep. Jared Moskowitz put on a CLINIC today.

He was AGGRESSIVE, pointed, intelligent and came with fierce questions and accusations.

I wish everyone acted with his candor persistence. He was getting straight to the point.

originally posted by: introufo

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
a reply to: putnam6

The problem with hearing and seeing and speaking in the SCIF…..is it has to stay in the SCIF. You are bound not to share what you learned with anyone outside of the SCIF.

So yes….the congressional folks may learn in great detail from Grusch in a SCIF….but you as a commoner will never know what they’ve been told and shown in the detail they received it…..Even in the next hearing.

So, your still left in the dark somewhat.

Imo….

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Yeah, your right, being that SCIF actually stands for:

Secrets Concealed Irretrievably Forever

Well, that's what it means, in essence...Unless one of those Congresspersons has the courage to leak it to the public.

There seem to be differing opinions


Sensitive compartmented information facility

A sensitive compartmented information facility, in United States military, national security/national defense, and intelligence parlance, is an enclosed area within a building that is used to process sensitive compartmented information types of classified information

www.poynter.org...

Can highly secret material be removed from a SCIF?

Even information classified as top secret/sensitive compartmented information may be removed from a SCIF as long as proper protocols are followed, experts said. The same is true for material with lower classifications.

Molly Shadel, a University of Virginia law professor who formerly worked at the Justice Department, gave an example of a Justice Department lawyer working with top secret/sensitive compartmented information materials in a SCIF. The lawyer might find that some of the documents need to be presented to a judge, which would require an off-site meeting.

“In that situation, the lawyer would use a special DOJ-issued bag with special locks and other security features” to transport the materials, Shadel said. “But that lawyer would need to lock the materials up in a SCIF when she’s not using it, perhaps at a local FBI field office. She couldn’t just keep it overnight in her hotel room.”

Moss said classified documents, no matter their level, “cannot simply be removed and taken outside of any secured space without complying with security protocols.” However, he called Fitzpatrick’s characterization of the process an “oversimplification.”

Dietz said, “Of course, Trump and Biden and every other (president and vice president) have taken sensitive information home. “Therefore, it is not true that sensitive information can never leave a SCIF.”

Dog and pony show.

a reply to: JKLTO

Might be important to note that the term "biologics" doesn't necessarily mean "bodies", or even body parts (ie. limbs, organs, etc.).

"Biologics" could" refer to any non-inorganic material which could include tissue(s), or even tissue-like structures interfacing with, or acting as, control systems.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
a reply to: putnam6

The problem with hearing and seeing and speaking in the SCIF…..is it has to stay in the SCIF. You are bound not to share what you learned with anyone outside of the SCIF.

So yes….the congressional folks may learn in great detail from Grusch in a SCIF….but you as a commoner will never know what they’ve been told and shown in the detail they received it…..Even in the next hearing.

So, your still left in the dark somewhat.

Imo….

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Decent interview from Burchett, I think we could deduce a lot based on his and the other members' reactions alone. He is pretty bullish on this topic

Deep conspiracy?

WARNING?

Two things happened today outside of these hearings that may be related, and a WARNING...
First, even though this is a bipartisan effort, notably, it’s the Republicans ( AND I SAY GOOD TO THEM) who are mainly pushing this, and the Dems, maybe though supportive, are taking a back seat.

Two things happened today outside of this UFO hearing that very conspiratorily and synchronistically or DELIBERATELY may be related...

One, the physical collapse or freezing of the GOP head of the Senate, Mitch McConnell, and two, from the Dem side the collapse of the Biden deal to keep him out of jail.

Coincidence or a deep dark power at work warning both sides?
PUBICALLY

Back off this UFO stuff!

originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: JKLTO

Might be important to note that the term "biologics" doesn't necessarily mean "bodies", or even body parts (ie. limbs, organs, etc.).

"Biologics" could" refer to any non-inorganic material which could include tissue(s), or even tissue-like structures interfacing with, or acting as, control systems.

Interdimensional humanoid ectoplasm