The moment the trans agenda goes off the rails thread

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: AlienBorg

Every term is an invented term... People needed a word to describe two people of the opposite sex having an attraction, so they came up with one. Obviously people were procreating before having a label put to it...

You'll have to be more specific with your science question because Transgenderism is a broad term.

Sorry, maybe you were in previous posts and I just didn't see.

To me transgenderism is a conspiracy theory. The site is one of the most suitable places to discuss one such theory. Men who transform into women at will by self declaring themselves to be women.

a reply to: briantaylor

What exactly has been said that you find 'unethical', specifically? Too often nothing said was offensive, but is judged, or reported as hateful. Usually, it's a moderator of a service or board that decides.

Please let us know what you think was offensive, and we can decide if it is, and if we should dial it back.

As far as changing pronouns and new language. I don't have to conform to every standard that is suddenly introduced with a heavy hand and a determination that 'this is how it is now'. Really? I've been around a long time, and only the last few years has common language become to mean something else. And those of us that have been speaking English language the longest are expected to change. REALLY? WHY? Who says? YOU?

For example: The word 'woman' seems to have become something that should avoid being said. Its now better to use such words as 'menstrators' or ''chestfeeders'. Even when advertising products that are made for women! Stop the NONSENSE!

Often, I read a news story and I really cannot tell if the subject is a man or a woman or a transperson. Its confusing in reporting and speaking and just seems like insisting everyone conform to this new way, without consent, is the morally questionable stance.

a reply to: AlienBorg

I think there are those that choose to do that for any variety of reasons, and those that were born feeling that their brain chemistry does not match their biological sex (Annee's point in asking when you chose to be heterosexual). And the ones that do it with perverse intentions and cram it down your throat agendas, drown out other discussions and understanding.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

You're talking to a bot.

Seriously.
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(Thank you MODS for keeping the thread up, so that we can understand these post!)

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: AlienBorg

I think there are those that choose to do that for any variety of reasons, and those that were born feeling that their brain chemistry does not match their biological sex (Annee's point in asking when you chose to be heterosexual). And the ones that do it with perverse intentions and cram it down your throat agendas, drown out other discussions and understanding.

Ima gonna call bullsh#t on this once and for all.

If a teenaged girl has body dysmorphia and thinks she's too fat and goes anorexic, you're going to say, "Yes, you are too fat, you should purge every day".

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: AlienBorg

I think there are those that choose to do that for any variety of reasons, and those that were born feeling that their brain chemistry does not match their biological sex (Annee's point in asking when you chose to be heterosexual). And the ones that do it with perverse intentions and cram it down your throat agendas, drown out other discussions and understanding.

I will address the only legitimate reason where people really feel discomfort in their biological sex. And this is a tiny number.

The correct term for this should have been sex-dysphoria and not gender-dysphoria. Clearly a mental health issue which you can't treat with puberty blockers, cross sex hormones, affirmation surgeries and further drugs the patient will probably use for the rest of their lives.

When people really believe they can jump from one sex to another then they engage in a conspiracy theory, not to mention this belief implies some sort of a confusion at the very least, not to say mental instability.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Oh definitely not.

Nor would I encourage sex altering surgery (most especially on kids).

a reply to: AlienBorg

Oh I pretty much agree.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Interesting! Don't know how I feel about that.

Thanks for the heads up, Sookie

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: DBCowboy

Oh definitely not.

Nor would I encourage sex altering surgery (most especially on kids).

If an adult has anorexia, or bulimia due to body dysmorphia, do we encourage them or get them the help we need?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Absolutely!

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: DBCowboy

Absolutely!

A person thinks they are a woman (body dysmorphia) , we cut off their penis.

A person thinks they're too fat (body dysmorphia), we get them help.

Do you see the problem now?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Do you see the problem now?

Yeah, I see a problem. It's called making a false equivalance.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: DBCowboy

Absolutely!

A person thinks they are a woman (body dysmorphia) , we cut off their penis.

A person thinks they're too fat (body dysmorphia), we get them help.

Do you see the problem now?

I was never confused. I'm just saying that the mental health side of the subject needs to be understood and explored more, and not so stigmatized. I'm not saying tolerate everything, accept everything, or agree with everything that comes out of that community. Honestly I find most of pretty disgusting. The line crossing politicizing agendas. The corruption in the government runs deep. Their tactics are to divide and conquer. Attempt to make us fear, and hate the 'other'. There are those who have taken the LQBTQ+ community and used it, grown it, utilized it for various ends, turning it toxic by creating the loud and obnoxious, brainwashed idiots we feel sorry for and laugh at, hate on. You know the ones. And the community has a toxic life of it's own now. The gradual indoctrination of younger and younger children (e.g. that how to touch yourself book, or groomy teachers). The divisiveness is real.

All that said though. There are people with different brain chemistries that make them feel as if they were born in the wrong body. It's a struggle, and a mental health issue to be sure. And I think less hate, and more understanding as to why that is, and how they can be helped, is the true acceptance and awareness that they deserve. And if a consenting adult feels that for their mental health, surgery is best for them, so be it. That won't change anything about their biology ofc.

We know this, they know this. It's only the toxic ones with an agenda that will try to tell you different.

So what I would like to see is more study and understanding into the mental inner workings of the subject. But keep the dildos out of school and I don't even need to tell you what else. That sh!t needs to be stopped.

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

Who is declaring this a false equivalence? You? What are your qualifications to do so?

If a person is uncomfortable in their body, they are uncomfortable in their body. One we treat with therapy and the other we treat with irreversible surgery on healthy functioning organs. Why is this?

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Very rational and empathetic.

It is appauling how people and their problems get so demagogued by the politicians and their minions.

There’s mental health and mental illness/damage.

They are not synonymous.

Acceptance is the first key to mental health.

And BTW heterosexuality is not a requirement for procreation.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

Who is declaring this a false equivalence? You? What are your qualifications to do so?

Comparing two different things as if they were the same thing or attributing the same diagnosis to two different and distinct conditions to make a point when one clearly doesn’t understand or wants to understand the differences and complexities between the two points is indeed making a false equivalence. Saying an apple is like an orange because they basically are both round and you can eat them does not mean apples and oranges are the same thing.

My qualifications to make such a statement are nobody’s business other than my decades of research into the trans phenomenon, actually knowing trans people and having a better understanding of the trans condition, their lives and their lived experiences. Who in this discussion can say the same thing?

If a person is uncomfortable in their body, they are uncomfortable in their body. One we treat with therapy and the other we treat with irreversible surgery on healthy functioning organs. Why is this?

Well, it isn’t because you’ve simplified being trans to a single factor when it is far more complicated and nuanced than your understanding. Because “transgender” means a multitude of things to different people these days, being uncomfortable in one’s body doesn’t necessarily apply to everyone as some maybe place more emphasis on social dysphoria for example. This is why the vast majority, probably more than 85% of trans people, can quell their dysphoric distress without having genital reconstruction.

And again, comparing a condition that can be helped through therapy and one that for many decades has been proven to resistant and unaffected by conventional therapy of every nature, which has a history of actually making things worse, is again an apples and oranges comparison.

Structural connections in the brain in relation to gender identity and sexual orientation: www.nature.com...

Brain structure changes associated with sexual orientation: www.nature.com...

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

Since you say your qualifications to determine a false equivalence between how body dysmorphic mental illness manifests in a person aren't our business, then why should we give your opinion any weight at all?

And you have no idea how many people on this thread might also personally know transgenders/transsexuals, or what their relations are. So you declaring yourself the best expert on the thread because nobody else has experience equal to yours is just silly.

That's were I'm leaving off.