The moment the trans agenda goes off the rails thread

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Kelley Robinson, who describes herself as the first queer, Black president of the Human Rights Campaign, was asked the question by Sen. John Kennedy, R-La. Robinson said she couldn't "definitively" say males have an advantage over women in sports. Robinson then tried to use a "news article" about how some men believe they could beat Serena Williams in tennis.

As Robinson pointed that out, Riley Gaines noted that Williams and her sister, Venus, both lost to "lost to the 203rd-ranked male tennis player" more than a decade ago.

I encourage you to watch this exchange if you are interested in this topic. And I would encourage those of you who champion this ideology to speak with us, and not TO us, conversely, everyone needs to try to communicate better, and be more adult.

Ms. Robinson has a point in answering the way the question was asked. I am a dude, but fat and old, and I cannot compete with Riley Gaines. I am a good swimmer, and have swam on a team against others. But the level she is at, is miles away from where I was, when I was in my best shape.

But that isn't the argument here, it's about people at the top of their personal game. When you put a biological male who has trained at a sport and can compete in a professional setting, then to put that male up against a biological female, there will be distinct differences. The male will have an advantage. That isn't to say that in every case, the male wins, but the male body is made differently than the female body, and will excel in most sports. The entire argument is that just isn't fair and takes opportunities away from biological females who would have otherwise been the best at whatever sport she was competing in.

Now, if you watch this exchange, the part where it goes off the rails, is at the end, where Ms. Robinson claims that a Trans female "who is a real female"......OK full stop. A Trans female is a dude who thinks or wants others to think he is a female. He will always be a male. There is nothing he can change that will make him into a female. That just isn't how any of this works. It's not some "vast right wing conspiracy", or something mean I want to say just to "own the libs", it's a fact of life that everyone must accept as the truth. If you do not accept that, and somehow believe that a man can truly become a woman, you need to prove that through science. (remember, Trust the science)

If Trans people feel the deep desire to compete, then they should enact a third category for trans athletes. That way all trans people would compete against other trans athletes, and everyone is happy. If you are a biological man who transitioned to looking like a woman, then you can compete against other men, or be in the trans category. Same for the other side of that. This is a tiny fraction of society and while NOBODY should be singled out and persecuted, this group did make this happen by choice, brought all the attention on themselves, by these actions, and is forcing that something be done to keep sports fair and to protect women's sports.

If you feel differently, please be polite and you will be shown equal politeness in return.

a reply to: network dude

We're told to 'trust the science'.....until it comes to gender dysphoria.

I trust my gut instincts over anything I see or hear these days.

a reply to: network dude

It's difficult to know the context and mindset in which these people are speaking from, it's complex because of what, in their mind, constitutes a true biological female via transitioning when they obviously have no experience living as a true biologically born female. Do they feel what the societal construct and programming of a true biological born female is showing us along with the hormonal changes affecting their feelings and bodies?

As for transgendered athletes in female sports: here's a good read... "Title IX and the New Rule on Transgender Athletes Explained; The Biden administration proposed a rule change that would allow schools to block some transgender athletes from competing on sports teams that match their gender identities."

Some Democrats and L.G.B.T.Q. activists worried the Biden administration proposal would introduce new levels of discrimination against transgender athletes and gender policing for all female-identifying athletes.

Republicans and some athletes who have argued against the inclusion of transgender women in women’s sporting divisions worried that the new rule would undermine the purpose of Title IX.

Still others, including GLBTQ Legal Advocates & Defenders and some scholars, saw the approach as step in the right direction by creating a framework for schools to refer to.

As for the pre-pubescent children in school - leave the kids alone, meaning don't cause a s**tstorm in front of the kids:

Elementary school students would generally be able to participate on teams matching their identity. But as students get older and go through puberty, and as competition increases, schools and athletic organizations would make a multipronged assessment of whether or not to restrict transgender athletes from playing on their preferred team. The age of the students, the level of the fairness and the nature of the sport would be among the considerations.

The judgment may be different, for example, in wrestling than in badminton.

The administration argues the proposed rule would provide schools a framework that both protects students “from being denied equal athletic opportunity” and gives schools “flexibility” to develop their own policies.

www.nytimes.com...#:~:text=apply%20to%20them%3F-,The%20N.C.A.A.,intended%20to%20put%20th e%20N.C.A.A.

As for adult sports, maybe a third category is needed because some cismen (lower testosterone) may actually be on par with some ciswomen (higher testosterone) and maybe some transgendered athletes might fit in there as well...who knows?

a reply to: quintessentone

I think much of this, is a reaction to the "fad" of this new phenomenon. I say "new" as it's been around, but in the last 8 years, it has become a mainstream talking point. I think that some people who don't feel they fit in, would move towards this avenue for the immediate acceptance and attention given. Which I think is what drives the "de-transitioners" to speak out. They realize it was for the wrong reasons that they did this in the first place.

It does make me wonder how many of those who did transition regret it, but are afraid to lose that acceptance feeling.

Until we can wade through the muck, and allow reality to be discussed openly on this topic, we will have more confusion and I think more people who are just looking for attention get caught up in this and have lasting bad results. Science needs to be stated, and understood. (IMHO)

Men who decide they prefer to be women is fine, scientifically dubious but fine

Deciding they want to expose their genitals in a sensitive female designated environment is terrible

Participating in male athletics for years with no problem and then converting to women athletics because its easier to excel when you put a terrier in a rat maze is despicable, adding insult to injury

Sorry but I just don't see the confusion. Male or female, you are one or the other at birth, that doesn't change just because lil Jimmy's parents want to trend and make him Jill. Your body doesn't decide to change sexes, it just does not happen. Debate the mental states of this all you want, its just an abstract idea. It doesnt change anything about your body. You feeling dont change anything about how your body was born as. You want to play pretend about it? Go ahead but dont expect everyone else to have your feelings about it.

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: network dude

We're told to 'trust the science'.....until it comes to gender dysphoria.

I trust my gut instincts over anything I see or hear these days.

I don't know what the driving force behind all this is, but something is pushing a bunch of false agendas on us, and then gaslighting everyone to accept it as fact. It's something I hope is studied in depth in the future.

a reply to: network dude

Guys in dresses should not be the foundation for policy change.

a reply to: network dude

You and I are more so in agreement than not.

originally posted by: network dude
Robinson said she couldn't "definitively" say males have an advantage over women in sports. Robinson then tried to use a "news article" about how some men believe they could beat Serena Williams in tennis.

These people can never give a straight answer, because they actually know what they are supporting is illogical, scientifically wrong, and just a soup of word drivel. You see it time and time again, from the most dim-witted activist to the most charismatic and intelligent politicians - they have no counter-arguments except gobbledegook, threats and insults.

When the argument is broken, people will begin to react. I believe that people are starting to wake up to these narrow-minded imbeciles, who are promoting an ideology that is dangerous to women's rights, and grooms and mutilates children.

I predict the Olympics may see women athletes refusing to be humiliated by men. It's starting to happen in amateur and elite sport.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

Guys in dresses should not be the foundation for policy change.

No but discrimination should.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: network dude

You and I are more so in agreement than not.

and all with just a little conversation. Whodothunkit.

a reply to: quintessentone

t's difficult to know the context and mindset in which these people are speaking from, it's complex because of what, in their mind, constitutes a true biological female via transitioning when they obviously have no experience living as a true biologically born female. Do they feel what the societal construct and programming of a true biological born female is showing us along with the hormonal changes affecting their feelings and bodies?

It's not difficult though, unless one makes it so.
We are different.
As I have said many times:
"A man can think he is a woman. A man can never think like a woman, and vice versa."
The human brain is very complex and there are known differences between it's development between sexes.
Women and men process the natural world differently. This starts in the womb.
How can you possibly think like someone who experiences the natural world in a different way than you.
There is about a three percent difference between our DNA.
There is about a four percent difference between humans and chimps.
A chip can think they are human, a chimp can't think like a human.
We are different.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

Guys in dresses should not be the foundation for policy change.

No but discrimination should.

I totally agree that nobody should be discriminated against. But the universal "acceptance" of this 'thing' is a problem as I see it. Feeding a sick person's delusion just seems unhealthy. I'm not a psychiatrist, so have no evidence to back up my concern, but knowing that person who wished to "transition" wants to become the other sex, but never will, is wrong. If there was a way to do this for real, it would be different. But ultimately, this is a part of the topic for professionals, who have been eerily silent on this.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

Guys in dresses should not be the foundation for policy change.

No but discrimination should.

Who's being discriminated against?

Guys that want to get naked in girls locker rooms?

Good.

originally posted by: paraphi

I predict the Olympics may see women athletes refusing to be humiliated by men. It's starting to happen in amateur and elite sport.

I think that is what it's going to take to make this go back from clown world. If all the females who are competing against a biological man would just step aside and not compete, everyone would be forced to understand the message, and the groundswell of support would be immense.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

Guys in dresses should not be the foundation for policy change.

No but discrimination should.

Who's being discriminated against?

Guys that want to get naked in girls locker rooms?

Good.

Yea, that's the part where any compassion I could have leaves the room. it's just a perv, doing perv things because they are a perv.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

Guys in dresses should not be the foundation for policy change.

No but discrimination should.

Who's being discriminated against?

Guys that want to get naked in girls locker rooms?

Good.

war is peace, ignorance is strength, dignity is discrimination

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

Guys in dresses should not be the foundation for policy change.

No but discrimination should.

Who's being discriminated against?

Guys that want to get naked in girls locker rooms?

Good.

Those who have issues with it need to advocate for trans locker rooms. Society moves very slowly with changes.

Why not advocate to also remove lesbians from women's locker rooms too? Where is that outrage?

The discrimination goes way beyond locker rooms and you know it.

originally posted by: quintessentone


Why not advocate to also remove lesbians from women's locker rooms too? Where is that outrage?

The discrimination goes way beyond locker rooms and you know it.

that's quite a conundrum. I can't speak for every man, but I will say, two dudes kissing is just yuk, but two girls going at it, is hot with two t's. Among men, I suspect there is a level of acceptance for one, that doesn't exist for the other.