The moment the trans agenda goes off the rails thread

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: Annee

But isn't the DNA the 'program' code for all those functions?

Science has the question, but not always the answer.

They still don’t know why some people are Left-handed. But clearly they are.

They don’t know why some people are gay — but it’s pretty clear today they are born that way.

Same with transgender. “It’s how the soup got stirred”.

New research into brain cells is revealing that their DNA blueprint is radically different than expected. Compared to DNA in other cells, neurons have more, less and rearranged DNA.

www.sbpdiscovery.org...#:~:text=New%20research%20into%20brain%20cells,more%2C %20less%20and%20rearranged%20DNA.

a reply to: Annee

Thanks for the link. Im not good at chemistry, so I'm glad it was light on that, while heavy on concept. So I could get something out of it!

I was struck by the AI like behavior of the immune system response. Adaptive. (maybe my old brain is mixing up the AI topic and this one) . But I thought, yeah, maybe there is a master program that adapts to environmental bombardment that would be threatening. I have read that children raised in abusive homes have differences in brain scans too.
I would think it would be along the lines of learning.

The pretty graph of the mosaic vs age shows that it increases over our lives.

So are gay people really born that way? Id say it points more to nuture than nature.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: chiefsmom

Ive wondered about that as well.

In fact, I challenge people that believe a woman can be trapped in a man's body (and versa) but don't believe in a soul (many are atheists too). If all the DNA in the body is the same, how can the 'person' be 'trapped'?

Edit: My whole life, I'd rather be friends with males. Maybe I'm a gay man reincarnated into a female body, so it all worked out nicely!

I’m atheist. That means one thing only “I lack belief in a god/deity”. Lack belief without proof.

There are Spiritual Atheists that believe something more is going on, but not because of a god.

I support science. The newish science of brain scans is telling us there is “gender brain”. The brain tells you who you are, not the physical wrappings.

Unlikely you're supporting science if you support woke. The woke ideology is non compatible with science and reality.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: chiefsmom

Ive wondered about that as well.

In fact, I challenge people that believe a woman can be trapped in a man's body (and versa) but don't believe in a soul (many are atheists too). If all the DNA in the body is the same, how can the 'person' be 'trapped'?

Edit: My whole life, I'd rather be friends with males. Maybe I'm a gay man reincarnated into a female body, so it all worked out nicely!

I’m atheist. That means one thing only “I lack belief in a god/deity”. Lack belief without proof.

There are Spiritual Atheists that believe something more is going on, but not because of a god.

I support science. The newish science of brain scans is telling us there is “gender brain”. The brain tells you who you are, not the physical wrappings.

Unlikely you're supporting science if you support woke. The woke ideology is non compatible with science and reality.

Seen a lot of change in my 76 years.

I’d rather be WOKE than STUCK.

Science is known knowledge and the quest to understand more. In other words progressive.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: chiefsmom

Ive wondered about that as well.

In fact, I challenge people that believe a woman can be trapped in a man's body (and versa) but don't believe in a soul (many are atheists too). If all the DNA in the body is the same, how can the 'person' be 'trapped'?

Edit: My whole life, I'd rather be friends with males. Maybe I'm a gay man reincarnated into a female body, so it all worked out nicely!

I’m atheist. That means one thing only “I lack belief in a god/deity”. Lack belief without proof.

There are Spiritual Atheists that believe something more is going on, but not because of a god.

I support science. The newish science of brain scans is telling us there is “gender brain”. The brain tells you who you are, not the physical wrappings.

Unlikely you're supporting science if you support woke. The woke ideology is non compatible with science and reality.

Seen a lot of change in my 76 years.

I’d rather be WOKE than STUCK.

Science is known knowledge and the quest to understand more. In other words progressive.

Ah I get it!

You now renamed woke as science. Hmmm...
Tell me what the woke ideology has to do with science?? Let's start with transgenderism. How scientific is this ideology??

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: chiefsmom

Ive wondered about that as well.

In fact, I challenge people that believe a woman can be trapped in a man's body (and versa) but don't believe in a soul (many are atheists too). If all the DNA in the body is the same, how can the 'person' be 'trapped'?

Edit: My whole life, I'd rather be friends with males. Maybe I'm a gay man reincarnated into a female body, so it all worked out nicely!

I’m atheist. That means one thing only “I lack belief in a god/deity”. Lack belief without proof.

There are Spiritual Atheists that believe something more is going on, but not because of a god.

I support science. The newish science of brain scans is telling us there is “gender brain”. The brain tells you who you are, not the physical wrappings.

Unlikely you're supporting science if you support woke. The woke ideology is non compatible with science and reality.

Seen a lot of change in my 76 years.

I’d rather be WOKE than STUCK.

Science is known knowledge and the quest to understand more. In other words progressive.

Ah I get it!

You now renamed woke as science. Hmmm...
Tell me what the woke ideology has to do with science?? Let's start with transgenderism. How scientific is this ideology??

Own your interpretation of what was actually posted.

Definition of ideology: An ideology is a set of opinions or beliefs of a group or an individual.

The difference between ideology and science is the difference between treating those concepts as the primitives of theory and treating them as sites for exploring the social relations that are expressed in them.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: chiefsmom

Ive wondered about that as well.

In fact, I challenge people that believe a woman can be trapped in a man's body (and versa) but don't believe in a soul (many are atheists too). If all the DNA in the body is the same, how can the 'person' be 'trapped'?

Edit: My whole life, I'd rather be friends with males. Maybe I'm a gay man reincarnated into a female body, so it all worked out nicely!

I’m atheist. That means one thing only “I lack belief in a god/deity”. Lack belief without proof.

There are Spiritual Atheists that believe something more is going on, but not because of a god.

I support science. The newish science of brain scans is telling us there is “gender brain”. The brain tells you who you are, not the physical wrappings.

Unlikely you're supporting science if you support woke. The woke ideology is non compatible with science and reality.

Seen a lot of change in my 76 years.

I’d rather be WOKE than STUCK.

Science is known knowledge and the quest to understand more. In other words progressive.

Ah I get it!

You now renamed woke as science. Hmmm...
Tell me what the woke ideology has to do with science?? Let's start with transgenderism. How scientific is this ideology??

Own your interpretation of what was actually posted.

Definition of ideology: An ideology is a set of opinions or beliefs of a group or an individual.

The difference between ideology and science is the difference between treating those concepts as the primitives of theory and treating them as sites for exploring the social relations that are expressed in them.

You seem to have dodged the question.
Here it comes again

How scientific is transgenderism?
It's more of a conspiracy theory and would have been regarded as such 5-10 years ago.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: chiefsmom

Ive wondered about that as well.

In fact, I challenge people that believe a woman can be trapped in a man's body (and versa) but don't believe in a soul (many are atheists too). If all the DNA in the body is the same, how can the 'person' be 'trapped'?

Edit: My whole life, I'd rather be friends with males. Maybe I'm a gay man reincarnated into a female body, so it all worked out nicely!

I’m atheist. That means one thing only “I lack belief in a god/deity”. Lack belief without proof.

There are Spiritual Atheists that believe something more is going on, but not because of a god.

I support science. The newish science of brain scans is telling us there is “gender brain”. The brain tells you who you are, not the physical wrappings.

Unlikely you're supporting science if you support woke. The woke ideology is non compatible with science and reality.

Seen a lot of change in my 76 years.

I’d rather be WOKE than STUCK.

Science is known knowledge and the quest to understand more. In other words progressive.

Ah I get it!

You now renamed woke as science. Hmmm...
Tell me what the woke ideology has to do with science?? Let's start with transgenderism. How scientific is this ideology??

Own your interpretation of what was actually posted.

Definition of ideology: An ideology is a set of opinions or beliefs of a group or an individual.

The difference between ideology and science is the difference between treating those concepts as the primitives of theory and treating them as sites for exploring the social relations that are expressed in them.

You seem to have dodged the question.
Here it comes again

How scientific is transgenderism?
It's more of a conspiracy theory and would have been regarded as such 5-10 years ago.

I have no interest in your personal ideology on the subject.

How scientific is heterosexuality?

The fact that this thread still exists is a perfect example of everything wrong. Hitler was well spoken too...

a reply to: Annee

You posted a link back there Annee, about the science of 'gender brain'. I read it and commented and you haven't responded.

Maybe because we disagreed what the link was saying about the science?

I felt like the concept and study backed up the 'nuture' arguement vs 'nature'. That people with gender issues aren't really born that way, but it developes over time with this mosaic concept. Brain changes to adapt to environment. Like the immune system adapts, or learns how to fight invaders, the brain adapts to experiences.

a reply to: briantaylor

Hitler also censored any opinions which didn't align with the party!


en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: briantaylor

What exactly are we discussing that should be verboten?

The text provided here seems to be potentially problematic in its approach towards discussing transgender issues.

There are a few ways this content could be seen as unethical, including:

Lack of respect for personal identity: It dismisses the identities of transgender people by defining them solely by their biological sex at birth, not their affirmed gender. This is generally considered disrespectful and harmful. People's identities should be recognized and respected.

Misrepresentation of scientific consensus: The text asks for scientific proof that "a man can truly become a woman." Current scientific understanding acknowledges that sex is not solely determined by genitalia, but also includes factors like hormones and brain structure. In the same way, gender is understood to be a complex interplay of biology, identity, culture, and personal experience.

Dismissiveness and hostility: The overall tone of the text is dismissive and hostile towards transgender people and those who support them. Such hostility can foster an environment that's harmful and dehumanizing.

Please note that while everyone has a right to express their opinion, it's important to do so in a respectful and considerate manner. It's also crucial to be accurate and truthful, particularly when discussing matters that can significantly impact others' lives and well-being. The above text doesn't seem to fulfill these conditions, and can therefore be considered ethically problematic.

a reply to: briantaylor

Before I go off on a rant, I have to ask, why now?

Why are we seeing the increase in aberrant sexuality now?

We didn't see it in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 00's, 10's. . . . . .

We're seeing it because sick people are influencing and manipulating the feelings and emotions of teens and pre-teens.

If you cannot agree that children need to be left alone and away from groomers that have infiltrated our entertainment or our education system, then you may need to reflect.

originally posted by: briantaylor
The text provided here seems to be potentially problematic in its approach towards discussing transgender issues.

There are a few ways this content could be seen as unethical, including:

Lack of respect for personal identity: It dismisses the identities of transgender people by defining them solely by their biological sex at birth, not their affirmed gender. This is generally considered disrespectful and harmful. People's identities should be recognized and respected.

Misrepresentation of scientific consensus: The text asks for scientific proof that "a man can truly become a woman." Current scientific understanding acknowledges that sex is not solely determined by genitalia, but also includes factors like hormones and brain structure. In the same way, gender is understood to be a complex interplay of biology, identity, culture, and personal experience.

Dismissiveness and hostility: The overall tone of the text is dismissive and hostile towards transgender people and those who support them. Such hostility can foster an environment that's harmful and dehumanizing.

Please note that while everyone has a right to express their opinion, it's important to do so in a respectful and considerate manner. It's also crucial to be accurate and truthful, particularly when discussing matters that can significantly impact others' lives and well-being. The above text doesn't seem to fulfill these conditions, and can therefore be considered ethically problematic.

What scientific consensus?

Transgenderism is literally a conspiracy theory suitable for this site and there should be more threads on the topic despite the fact you don't want these kind of threads.

A man transforms into a woman when he feels like it and there are millions of genders.

It's more likely that little green men will land in your garden rather than men transform into women using self declarations or even surgery.

originally posted by: briantaylor
The text provided here seems to be potentially problematic in its approach towards discussing transgender issues.

There are a few ways this content could be seen as unethical, including:

Lack of respect for personal identity: It dismisses the identities of transgender people by defining them solely by their biological sex at birth, not their affirmed gender. This is generally considered disrespectful and harmful. People's identities should be recognized and respected.

Misrepresentation of scientific consensus: The text asks for scientific proof that "a man can truly become a woman." Current scientific understanding acknowledges that sex is not solely determined by genitalia, but also includes factors like hormones and brain structure. In the same way, gender is understood to be a complex interplay of biology, identity, culture, and personal experience.

Dismissiveness and hostility: The overall tone of the text is dismissive and hostile towards transgender people and those who support them. Such hostility can foster an environment that's harmful and dehumanizing.

Please note that while everyone has a right to express their opinion, it's important to do so in a respectful and considerate manner. It's also crucial to be accurate and truthful, particularly when discussing matters that can significantly impact others' lives and well-being. The above text doesn't seem to fulfill these conditions, and can therefore be considered ethically problematic.

Really? Sex isn't shown by genitalia? So if you know the external genitalia of 1 million people can you not say what is their sex or you need to wait for the one case of an intersex person who may have a discrepancy between internal and external genitalia?

Sex is determined by chromosomes btw.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: chiefsmom

Ive wondered about that as well.

In fact, I challenge people that believe a woman can be trapped in a man's body (and versa) but don't believe in a soul (many are atheists too). If all the DNA in the body is the same, how can the 'person' be 'trapped'?

Edit: My whole life, I'd rather be friends with males. Maybe I'm a gay man reincarnated into a female body, so it all worked out nicely!

I’m atheist. That means one thing only “I lack belief in a god/deity”. Lack belief without proof.

There are Spiritual Atheists that believe something more is going on, but not because of a god.

I support science. The newish science of brain scans is telling us there is “gender brain”. The brain tells you who you are, not the physical wrappings.

Unlikely you're supporting science if you support woke. The woke ideology is non compatible with science and reality.

Seen a lot of change in my 76 years.

I’d rather be WOKE than STUCK.

Science is known knowledge and the quest to understand more. In other words progressive.

Ah I get it!

You now renamed woke as science. Hmmm...
Tell me what the woke ideology has to do with science?? Let's start with transgenderism. How scientific is this ideology??

Own your interpretation of what was actually posted.

Definition of ideology: An ideology is a set of opinions or beliefs of a group or an individual.

The difference between ideology and science is the difference between treating those concepts as the primitives of theory and treating them as sites for exploring the social relations that are expressed in them.

You seem to have dodged the question.
Here it comes again

How scientific is transgenderism?
It's more of a conspiracy theory and would have been regarded as such 5-10 years ago.

I have no interest in your personal ideology on the subject.

How scientific is heterosexuality?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: chiefsmom

Ive wondered about that as well.

In fact, I challenge people that believe a woman can be trapped in a man's body (and versa) but don't believe in a soul (many are atheists too). If all the DNA in the body is the same, how can the 'person' be 'trapped'?

Edit: My whole life, I'd rather be friends with males. Maybe I'm a gay man reincarnated into a female body, so it all worked out nicely!

I’m atheist. That means one thing only “I lack belief in a god/deity”. Lack belief without proof.

There are Spiritual Atheists that believe something more is going on, but not because of a god.

I support science. The newish science of brain scans is telling us there is “gender brain”. The brain tells you who you are, not the physical wrappings.

Unlikely you're supporting science if you support woke. The woke ideology is non compatible with science and reality.

Seen a lot of change in my 76 years.

I’d rather be WOKE than STUCK.

Science is known knowledge and the quest to understand more. In other words progressive.

Ah I get it!

You now renamed woke as science. Hmmm...
Tell me what the woke ideology has to do with science?? Let's start with transgenderism. How scientific is this ideology??

Own your interpretation of what was actually posted.

Definition of ideology: An ideology is a set of opinions or beliefs of a group or an individual.

The difference between ideology and science is the difference between treating those concepts as the primitives of theory and treating them as sites for exploring the social relations that are expressed in them.

You seem to have dodged the question.
Here it comes again

How scientific is transgenderism?
It's more of a conspiracy theory and would have been regarded as such 5-10 years ago.

I have no interest in your personal ideology on the subject.

How scientific is heterosexuality?

Since 100% of all scientists, both past and present, owe their very existence to heterosexuality, I'd say it's very scientific, indeed.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: chiefsmom

Ive wondered about that as well.

In fact, I challenge people that believe a woman can be trapped in a man's body (and versa) but don't believe in a soul (many are atheists too). If all the DNA in the body is the same, how can the 'person' be 'trapped'?

Edit: My whole life, I'd rather be friends with males. Maybe I'm a gay man reincarnated into a female body, so it all worked out nicely!

I’m atheist. That means one thing only “I lack belief in a god/deity”. Lack belief without proof.

There are Spiritual Atheists that believe something more is going on, but not because of a god.

I support science. The newish science of brain scans is telling us there is “gender brain”. The brain tells you who you are, not the physical wrappings.

Unlikely you're supporting science if you support woke. The woke ideology is non compatible with science and reality.

Seen a lot of change in my 76 years.

I’d rather be WOKE than STUCK.

Science is known knowledge and the quest to understand more. In other words progressive.

Ah I get it!

You now renamed woke as science. Hmmm...
Tell me what the woke ideology has to do with science?? Let's start with transgenderism. How scientific is this ideology??

Own your interpretation of what was actually posted.

Definition of ideology: An ideology is a set of opinions or beliefs of a group or an individual.

The difference between ideology and science is the difference between treating those concepts as the primitives of theory and treating them as sites for exploring the social relations that are expressed in them.

You seem to have dodged the question.
Here it comes again

How scientific is transgenderism?
It's more of a conspiracy theory and would have been regarded as such 5-10 years ago.

I have no interest in your personal ideology on the subject.

How scientific is heterosexuality?

It would be best not to make the comments you're making because you expose your arguments further. See comment above. Every human being ever existed on this planet owes his/her existence in heterosexuality. To deny this you deny the foundations of biology and evolution. The woke often does it, to he fair.

I think my point is, the same people are posting the same opinions, which directly violate ATS's shredded ethics policy and continue exacerbating the continuation of nonsense, in the name of freedom. This will probably always be my point, at least as far as my commentary on ATS, which remains moot.