The moment the trans agenda goes off the rails thread

originally posted by: briantaylor
I think my point is, the same people are posting the same opinions, which directly violate ATS's shredded ethics policy and continue exacerbating the continuation of nonsense, in the name of freedom. This will probably always be my point, at least as far as my commentary on ATS, which remains moot.

Do you know the meaning of whataboutism?

a reply to: AlienBorg

Apparently it's unethical now for women to resist allowing men in their locker rooms or to spike volleyballs off their daughter's faces, causing lasting damage and disability and bigoted to speak out against it, drawing comparisons to Hitler.

originally posted by: briantaylor
I think my point is, the same people are posting the same opinions, which directly violate ATS's shredded ethics policy and continue exacerbating the continuation of nonsense, in the name of freedom. This will probably always be my point, at least as far as my commentary on ATS, which remains moot.

Freedom isn't nonsense.

And facts cannot be disputed. They can be ignored.

They can be silenced, censored.

But they cannot be disputed.

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: AlienBorg

Apparently it's unethical now for women to resist allowing men in their locker rooms or to spike volleyballs off their daughter's faces, causing lasting damage and disability and bigoted to speak out against it, drawing comparisons to Hitler.

The trans movement is actually unconstitutional.

It infringes upon the rights of women.
It infringes on the rights of free speech.
It infringes on privacy laws and personal liberties.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: chiefsmom

Ive wondered about that as well.

In fact, I challenge people that believe a woman can be trapped in a man's body (and versa) but don't believe in a soul (many are atheists too). If all the DNA in the body is the same, how can the 'person' be 'trapped'?

Edit: My whole life, I'd rather be friends with males. Maybe I'm a gay man reincarnated into a female body, so it all worked out nicely!

I’m atheist. That means one thing only “I lack belief in a god/deity”. Lack belief without proof.

There are Spiritual Atheists that believe something more is going on, but not because of a god.

I support science. The newish science of brain scans is telling us there is “gender brain”. The brain tells you who you are, not the physical wrappings.

Unlikely you're supporting science if you support woke. The woke ideology is non compatible with science and reality.

Seen a lot of change in my 76 years.

I’d rather be WOKE than STUCK.

Science is known knowledge and the quest to understand more. In other words progressive.

Ah I get it!

You now renamed woke as science. Hmmm...
Tell me what the woke ideology has to do with science?? Let's start with transgenderism. How scientific is this ideology??

Own your interpretation of what was actually posted.

Definition of ideology: An ideology is a set of opinions or beliefs of a group or an individual.

The difference between ideology and science is the difference between treating those concepts as the primitives of theory and treating them as sites for exploring the social relations that are expressed in them.

You seem to have dodged the question.
Here it comes again

How scientific is transgenderism?
It's more of a conspiracy theory and would have been regarded as such 5-10 years ago.

I have no interest in your personal ideology on the subject.

How scientific is heterosexuality?

It would be best not to make the comments you're making because you expose your arguments further. See comment above. Every human being ever existed on this planet owes his/her existence in heterosexuality. To deny this you deny the foundations of biology and evolution. The woke often does it, to he fair.

And you made the choice to be hetero when?

I really hate STUCK. Hanging on to antiquated ideologies. Unable to accept or open the mind to evolving science, and gender diversity. All sexual/gender diversity’s have always existed.

The invention of ‘heterosexuality’

The 1901 Dorland’s Medical Dictionary defined heterosexuality as an “abnormal or perverted appetite toward the opposite sex.” More than two decades later, in 1923, Merriam Webster’s dictionary similarly defined it as “morbid sexual passion for one of the opposite sex.” It wasn’t until 1934 that heterosexuality was graced with the meaning we’re familiar with today: “manifestation of sexual passion for one of the opposite sex; normal sexuality.”

Whenever I tell this to people, they respond with dramatic incredulity. That can’t be right! Well, it certainly doesn’t feel right. It feels as if heterosexuality has always “just been there.”

A few years ago, there began circulating a “man on the street” video, in which the creator asked people if they thought homosexuals were born with their sexual orientations. Responses were varied, with most saying something like, “It’s a combination of nature and nurture.” The interviewer then asked a follow-up question, which was crucial to the experiment: “When did you choose to be straight?” Most were taken back, confessing, rather sheepishly, never to have thought about it. Feeling that their prejudices had been exposed, they ended up swiftly conceding the videographer’s obvious point: gay people were born gay just like straight people were born straight.

The video’s takeaway seemed to suggest that all of our sexualities are “just there”; that we don’t need an explanation for homosexuality just as we don’t need one for heterosexuality. It seems not to have occurred to those who made the video, or the millions who shared it, that we actually need an explanation for both.

www.bbc.com...

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: chiefsmom

Ive wondered about that as well.

In fact, I challenge people that believe a woman can be trapped in a man's body (and versa) but don't believe in a soul (many are atheists too). If all the DNA in the body is the same, how can the 'person' be 'trapped'?

Edit: My whole life, I'd rather be friends with males. Maybe I'm a gay man reincarnated into a female body, so it all worked out nicely!

I’m atheist. That means one thing only “I lack belief in a god/deity”. Lack belief without proof.

There are Spiritual Atheists that believe something more is going on, but not because of a god.

I support science. The newish science of brain scans is telling us there is “gender brain”. The brain tells you who you are, not the physical wrappings.

Unlikely you're supporting science if you support woke. The woke ideology is non compatible with science and reality.

Seen a lot of change in my 76 years.

I’d rather be WOKE than STUCK.

Science is known knowledge and the quest to understand more. In other words progressive.

Ah I get it!

You now renamed woke as science. Hmmm...
Tell me what the woke ideology has to do with science?? Let's start with transgenderism. How scientific is this ideology??

Own your interpretation of what was actually posted.

Definition of ideology: An ideology is a set of opinions or beliefs of a group or an individual.

The difference between ideology and science is the difference between treating those concepts as the primitives of theory and treating them as sites for exploring the social relations that are expressed in them.

You seem to have dodged the question.
Here it comes again

How scientific is transgenderism?
It's more of a conspiracy theory and would have been regarded as such 5-10 years ago.

I have no interest in your personal ideology on the subject.

How scientific is heterosexuality?

It would be best not to make the comments you're making because you expose your arguments further. See comment above. Every human being ever existed on this planet owes his/her existence in heterosexuality. To deny this you deny the foundations of biology and evolution. The woke often does it, to he fair.

And you made the choice to be hetero when?

I really hate STUCK. Hanging on to antiquated ideologies. Unable to accept or open the mind to evolving science, and gender diversity. All sexual/gender diversity’s have always existed.

The invention of ‘heterosexuality’

The 1901 Dorland’s Medical Dictionary defined heterosexuality as an “abnormal or perverted appetite toward the opposite sex.” More than two decades later, in 1923, Merriam Webster’s dictionary similarly defined it as “morbid sexual passion for one of the opposite sex.” It wasn’t until 1934 that heterosexuality was graced with the meaning we’re familiar with today: “manifestation of sexual passion for one of the opposite sex; normal sexuality.”

Whenever I tell this to people, they respond with dramatic incredulity. That can’t be right! Well, it certainly doesn’t feel right. It feels as if heterosexuality has always “just been there.”

A few years ago, there began circulating a “man on the street” video, in which the creator asked people if they thought homosexuals were born with their sexual orientations. Responses were varied, with most saying something like, “It’s a combination of nature and nurture.” The interviewer then asked a follow-up question, which was crucial to the experiment: “When did you choose to be straight?” Most were taken back, confessing, rather sheepishly, never to have thought about it. Feeling that their prejudices had been exposed, they ended up swiftly conceding the videographer’s obvious point: gay people were born gay just like straight people were born straight.

The video’s takeaway seemed to suggest that all of our sexualities are “just there”; that we don’t need an explanation for homosexuality just as we don’t need one for heterosexuality. It seems not to have occurred to those who made the video, or the millions who shared it, that we actually need an explanation for both.

www.bbc.com...

You really think you've got an argument?!
Take note of the 8+ billion people on this planet. They're a result of heterosexuality. So facts prove you wrong.

You dodged the question earlier and I ve made this comment twice now.

How scientific is transgenderism?

You seem to want to avoid to answer.

Archaic minds tend to be stuck at separating sex from love...

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: chiefsmom

Ive wondered about that as well.

In fact, I challenge people that believe a woman can be trapped in a man's body (and versa) but don't believe in a soul (many are atheists too). If all the DNA in the body is the same, how can the 'person' be 'trapped'?

Edit: My whole life, I'd rather be friends with males. Maybe I'm a gay man reincarnated into a female body, so it all worked out nicely!

I’m atheist. That means one thing only “I lack belief in a god/deity”. Lack belief without proof.

There are Spiritual Atheists that believe something more is going on, but not because of a god.

I support science. The newish science of brain scans is telling us there is “gender brain”. The brain tells you who you are, not the physical wrappings.

Unlikely you're supporting science if you support woke. The woke ideology is non compatible with science and reality.

Seen a lot of change in my 76 years.

I’d rather be WOKE than STUCK.

Science is known knowledge and the quest to understand more. In other words progressive.

Ah I get it!

You now renamed woke as science. Hmmm...
Tell me what the woke ideology has to do with science?? Let's start with transgenderism. How scientific is this ideology??

Own your interpretation of what was actually posted.

Definition of ideology: An ideology is a set of opinions or beliefs of a group or an individual.

The difference between ideology and science is the difference between treating those concepts as the primitives of theory and treating them as sites for exploring the social relations that are expressed in them.

You seem to have dodged the question.
Here it comes again

How scientific is transgenderism?
It's more of a conspiracy theory and would have been regarded as such 5-10 years ago.

I have no interest in your personal ideology on the subject.

How scientific is heterosexuality?

It would be best not to make the comments you're making because you expose your arguments further. See comment above. Every human being ever existed on this planet owes his/her existence in heterosexuality. To deny this you deny the foundations of biology and evolution. The woke often does it, to he fair.

And you made the choice to be hetero when?

I really hate STUCK. Hanging on to antiquated ideologies. Unable to accept or open the mind to evolving science, and gender diversity. All sexual/gender diversity’s have always existed.

The invention of ‘heterosexuality’

The 1901 Dorland’s Medical Dictionary defined heterosexuality as an “abnormal or perverted appetite toward the opposite sex.” More than two decades later, in 1923, Merriam Webster’s dictionary similarly defined it as “morbid sexual passion for one of the opposite sex.” It wasn’t until 1934 that heterosexuality was graced with the meaning we’re familiar with today: “manifestation of sexual passion for one of the opposite sex; normal sexuality.”

Whenever I tell this to people, they respond with dramatic incredulity. That can’t be right! Well, it certainly doesn’t feel right. It feels as if heterosexuality has always “just been there.”

A few years ago, there began circulating a “man on the street” video, in which the creator asked people if they thought homosexuals were born with their sexual orientations. Responses were varied, with most saying something like, “It’s a combination of nature and nurture.” The interviewer then asked a follow-up question, which was crucial to the experiment: “When did you choose to be straight?” Most were taken back, confessing, rather sheepishly, never to have thought about it. Feeling that their prejudices had been exposed, they ended up swiftly conceding the videographer’s obvious point: gay people were born gay just like straight people were born straight.

The video’s takeaway seemed to suggest that all of our sexualities are “just there”; that we don’t need an explanation for homosexuality just as we don’t need one for heterosexuality. It seems not to have occurred to those who made the video, or the millions who shared it, that we actually need an explanation for both.

www.bbc.com...

Do you know the meaning of denialism?

originally posted by: Terpene
Archaic minds tend to be stuck at separating sex from love...

Thanks for your rather irrelevant contribution. Are you not going to offer some vague interpretation or belief in favour of transgenderism?

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: AlienBorg

Apparently it's unethical now for women to resist allowing men in their locker rooms or to spike volleyballs off their daughter's faces, causing lasting damage and disability and bigoted to speak out against it, drawing comparisons to Hitler.

The trans movement is actually unconstitutional.

It infringes upon the rights of women.
It infringes on the rights of free speech.
It infringes on privacy laws and personal liberties.

Based

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: AlienBorg

Apparently it's unethical now for women to resist allowing men in their locker rooms or to spike volleyballs off their daughter's faces, causing lasting damage and disability and bigoted to speak out against it, drawing comparisons to Hitler.

According to them it is but the tide is turning fast. Look at how many decisions against the trans ideology have been taken over the last 2-3 years. From sports banning transwomen taking part in female sports to banning sex hormones and surgeries for minors or even to ban transwomen from female only spaces.

Annee is actually making some good points that are being missed, imho.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
Annee is actually making some good points that are being missed, imho.

Perhaps you will be able to answer as she dodged the question a few times now.

How scientific is transgenderism?

I may add that claiming heterosexuality is an invented term diminishes completely any credibility one may have. If there was no heterosexuality then the human species would have never existed.

First of all, “transgenderism” itself is a made up word or that newspeak you all are not too fond of and a dogwhistle used by transgender detractors. For a thing to be an ism, it requires something specific to be agreed upon and followed by all or the majority and if you all knew anything at all about the diverse and often divided segments of the “transgender community”, you would know they are anything but a hive mind collective sharing an identical ideology with a singular purpose although it is presented that way in the media when speaking about the visible activists who are generally quite unrepresentative of the majority that just want to live their lives without bother or being bothered.

As far as what is “scientific”, ask researchers and physicians who have studied the phenomenon for over a hundred years if they consider their investigations to be scientific. Find thousands of peer reviewed papers spanning decades posted in scientific and medical journals and ask the authors if they were just clowning around making politically motivated observations just for the fun of it or doing serious scientific study?

Gender dysphoria AKA transsexualism is a scientifically documented genuine condition. Believing otherwise is simply either willful ignorance, stubbornness or plain old closed-mindedness.

originally posted by: AdifferentOpinion
First of all, “transgenderism” itself is a made up word or that newspeak you all are not too fond of and a dogwhistle used by transgender detractors. For a thing to be an ism, it requires something specific to be agreed upon and followed by all or the majority and if you all knew anything at all about the diverse and often divided segments of the “transgender community”, you would know they are anything but a hive mind collective sharing an identical ideology with a singular purpose although it is presented that way in the media when speaking about the visible activists who are generally quite unrepresentative of the majority that just want to live their lives without bother or being bothered.

As far as what is “scientific”, ask researchers and physicians who have studied the phenomenon for over a hundred years if they consider their investigations to be scientific. Find thousands of peer reviewed papers spanning decades posted in scientific and medical journals and ask the authors if they were just clowning around making politically motivated observations just for the fun of it or doing serious scientific study?

Gender dysphoria AKA transsexualism is a scientifically documented genuine condition. Believing otherwise is simply either willful ignorance, stubbornness or plain old closed-mindedness.

If transgenderism is a made up term then surely the same must be true for all the words used by the gender ideology

cis-man/woman
bigot
transphobe
misgendering
deadnaming


You need to reflect on the language you guys use and then make remarks and comments.

originally posted by: AdifferentOpinion
First of all, “transgenderism” itself is a made up word or that newspeak you all are not too fond of and a dogwhistle used by transgender detractors. For a thing to be an ism, it requires something specific to be agreed upon and followed by all or the majority and if you all knew anything at all about the diverse and often divided segments of the “transgender community”, you would know they are anything but a hive mind collective sharing an identical ideology with a singular purpose although it is presented that way in the media when speaking about the visible activists who are generally quite unrepresentative of the majority that just want to live their lives without bother or being bothered.

As far as what is “scientific”, ask researchers and physicians who have studied the phenomenon for over a hundred years if they consider their investigations to be scientific. Find thousands of peer reviewed papers spanning decades posted in scientific and medical journals and ask the authors if they were just clowning around making politically motivated observations just for the fun of it or doing serious scientific study?

Gender dysphoria AKA transsexualism is a scientifically documented genuine condition. Believing otherwise is simply either willful ignorance, stubbornness or plain old closed-mindedness.

The phenomenon they've studied is mainly gender-dysphoria or let's say more accurately sex-dysphoria which is a mental health issue. Having gender-dysphoria doesn't make anyone transexual or transgender as nobody can transition between sexes.

a reply to: AlienBorg

Every term is an invented term... People needed a word to describe two people of the opposite sex having an attraction, so they came up with one. Obviously people were procreating before having a label put to it...

You'll have to be more specific with your science question because Transgenderism is a broad term.

Sorry, maybe you were in previous posts and I just didn't see.

originally posted by: AlienBorg
If transgenderism is a made up term then surely the same must be true for all the words used by the gender movement.

cis-man/woman
bigot
transphobe
misgendering
deadnaming

You need to reflect on the language you guys use and then make remarks and comments.

Is that all you got? First referred to as "you people" in another thread and now "you guys" but I don't believe I have used any of your listed words in any of my posts ever and I am curious why, that just because I am well studied in and experienced with this topic and try to share what I’ve learned, I’m shoved into an us vs. “them” paradigm because I don’t have the same opinions that you and others do even though I have been openly critical of trans activism and much of the nonsense that goes along with it.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
Annee is actually making some good points that are being missed, imho.

Perhaps you will be able to answer as she dodged the question a few times now.

How scientific is transgenderism?

I may add that claiming heterosexuality is an invented term diminishes completely any credibility one may have. If there was no heterosexuality then the human species would have never existed.

all language is a social construct, all biology is not a social construct. abstract symbology like "words" you are reading here is construct, and sometimes correlates with chemistry or anatomy wich is science. sometimes it attempts to confuse science with social construct hence your question. hope this helps.

originally posted by: SigmaXSquared

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
Annee is actually making some good points that are being missed, imho.

Perhaps you will be able to answer as she dodged the question a few times now.

How scientific is transgenderism?

I may add that claiming heterosexuality is an invented term diminishes completely any credibility one may have. If there was no heterosexuality then the human species would have never existed.

all language is a social construct, all biology is not a social construct. abstract symbology like "words" you are reading here is construct, and sometimes correlates with chemistry or anatomy wich is science. sometimes it attempts to confuse science with social construct hence your question. hope this helps.

If you call heterosexuality with another name, let's say brombaritch, then the results are the same and more than 8 billion on this planet. Biological reality cannot change no matter what words are used. But there are accepted and well used words and made up terms serving some strange ideologies.