California girl sues doctors over breast removal gender-affirmation surgery at 13

a reply to: linda72

How are these child mutilators still alive and practicing?

Does anyone even know what an act of war is anymore?

a reply to: Saloon

How exactly would this be considered an act of war?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: linda72

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

Isn't quintessentone supposed to trust the experts? Wouldn't they have been the ones to recommend a psychological consult as the experts over the parents?

Depends on the experts-

Was this girl a suicide risk? Simple question.

why don't you read the article I have linked?

Why don't you define this sentence:

"Layla was a severely troubled 11-year-old when she self-diagnosed herself as suffering from gender dysphoria."

What does severely troubled mean to you?

All children and adults who are suffering from gender dysphoria are troubled and need psychological help.
That is the point!

a reply to: PorkChop96

How exactly would this be considered an act of war?

Exactly thank you

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: Saloon

How exactly would this be considered an act of war?

It's an act of war because of the impact it will have on our next generation. It is already hurting our military recruitment. Our military is now helping it's soldiers with trans surgery? You don't see the problem with that?

a reply to: Saloon

It was a question not a statement of agreeance

a reply to: fringeofthefringe

I think we have very different definitions of "act of war". For example; Pearl Harbour, 9/11, Embassy bombings, invasions, etc... Those are acts of war.

I don't disagree that this is hurting military recruitment but there are also other factors with that. The fact that the younger generations are just inherently lazy plays a big role in that. I am part of the younger generations and I can tell you that most of them are all overweight, lazy, no ambition, problem with authority, no work ethic and that plays a big role in military recruitment being down.

Believe me, I do have a problem with military providing gender transition surgeries for soldiers. Mind you, this is the same entity that, 30-40 years ago, would have kicked you out for being gay. Now they celebrate it because it fits the main stream media narrative and they are caving to the less than 1% of the worlds population to appease them.

a reply to: fringeofthefringe

It's an act of war because of the impact it will have on our next generation. It is already hurting our military recruitment. Our military is now helping it's soldiers with trans surgery? You don't see the problem with that?
edit on 17-6-2023 by fringeofthefringe because: (no reason given)

Along with that if this were my daughter? Retaliation would be severe.

a reply to: Saloon

If this were your daughter would you have taken the word of a doctor, who after only 100 minutes with you and your kid, decided that she needed this would you have gone along with it?

I think we have very different definitions of "act of war". For example; Pearl Harbour, 9/11, Embassy bombings, invasions, etc... Those are acts of war.

a reply to: PorkChop96

Yes we do.
An act of war can be financial, can be subversion, and in this case it appears our government has been infiltrated at the local and federal levels. Our country had a silent coup and our treashury is being looted and our culture is being destroyed. This is, to me the way war looks like in the 21st century. Propanda, divide the population with manufactured consent on issues that have been manipulated. WW3 has a different look to it to me we have been at war for some time now.

a reply to: PorkChop96

If this were your daughter would you have taken the word of a doctor, who after only 100 minutes with you and your kid, decided that she needed this would you have gone along with it?

That's a negative

a reply to: fringeofthefringe

I think you might be confusing "act of war" with treason, which in my opinion is what our government is and have been doing. They have been sellouts to other nations for years and no matter how many people point it out and bring it to light, they don't care and they will continue on with what they want that best benefits them.

a reply to: Saloon

Then there would be no retaliation needed.

You had the common sense to say "hey, this guy wants to mutilate my daughter without knowing more than her name and that she feels weird" that is a problem and we will be leaving now and never coming back.

Kudos

Confirmation bias at least. Only proves that waiting til 18 is still a better choice than surgery. Okay now prove yourself wrong 😁
a reply to: quintessentone

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: quintessentone

Why don't you define this sentence:

"Layla was a severely troubled 11-year-old when she self-diagnosed herself as suffering from gender dysphoria."

What does severely troubled mean to you?

What does self-diagnosed mean to you? 80%+ of young people who identify as trans are actually just gay.

I just read where the first doctors at that medical clinic seeing Layla refused to treat her because she was too young, but the parent(s) and Layla insisted so much so that they were then referred to three other doctors who started the treatment.

I also read where Layla had severe problems before transition and because of her unrealistic thoughts of how society would treat her afterwards, she then became disillusioned and unhappy with her transition. It all seems to have hinged on how society would treat them after transitioning. Did the doctors prepare Layla for the harsh realities of the anti-trans sentiment she would face? Whose responsibility would that be to prepare these patients for the realities of an intolerant society?

A lot needs to be unpacked here. It well be that the doctors could be at fault but that remains to be proven.

, from the horses mouth

Yet you reply just like them 🤷‍♂️

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: linda72

45% of children who receive gender-surgery end up committing suicide.

are you serious mate ? Christ I hope you are mistaken.

Nope, there are numerous articles on the subject. Pre-transition, post-transition, it screws up the kids in a big way.

And it's getting worse, not better.

Which is what the leftists probably wanted.

Yes, it is extremely high, being a kid is tough enough especially today where they can be bullied 24/7.

No doubt a child with these problems on top of everything else probably isn't going to have the coping skills needed. It snowballs into thier sexuality and they latch on to it as the only cause the only reason for thier pain and confusion.

Hell, so-called normal kids have debilitating issues, self-harm, depression, anxiety, obesity, drug abuse, alcohol, etc. are still prevalent. Shouldn't we find irreversible surgical procedures for all tweens and teens with these afflictions as well?

That is why, first and foremost. . . . .

LEAVE THE CHILDREN ALONE!

We can't leave the children alone to work out their own issues or suicidal thoughts as most parents don't have a clue what to do in these situations that's why they seek help from their doctor and it is at that point that the doctor decides if other medical professionals need to provide treatment.

I wonder if there is a correlation between the rise in trans activism and the rise in suicides.

I'll bet there is.

If you leave out all the other factors that play into why young people commit suicide, then you will win your bet.

Everything else is consistent, the only variable is the rise in trans activism.

Trans activism is killing children.

Studies prove it is anti-trans that is causing the problems...societal intolerance is the culprit.

Trans activism is producing a pushback because of their extremist views.

Question; Do you, like trans activists, believe that everyone is born trans and that it is the harmful parenting pushing heterosexual behavior that is causing this?

Since I am not a trans activist I cannot answer like them.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: quintessentone

I just read where the first doctors at that medical clinic seeing Layla refused to treat her because she was too young, but the parent(s) and Layla insisted so much so that they were then referred to three other doctors who started the treatment.

It takes years to actually diagnose, and it also seems to not be good to start transitions before puberty as the person gets stuck in some somewhere in-between state. Jazz who transition very young didn't have enough penis yet to create what was needed and so is dealing with some pretty horrendous issues with how they ended up doing it.

I also read where Layla had severe problems before transition and because of her unrealistic thoughts of how society would treat her afterwards, she then became disillusioned and unhappy with her transition. It all seems to have hinged on how society would treat them after transitioning. Did the doctors prepare Layla for the harsh realities of the anti-trans sentiment she would face? Whose responsibility would that be to prepare these patients for the realities of an intolerant society?

So kind of like many 11-year-old girls... Once again,m we are talking about an 11-year-old. "intolerant society" oh I see what you did there...

Here's an interesting read:

When a young child expresses that they are a gender other than their sex assigned at birth, their parents may support them in finding their own, unique identity. This can involve changing the child’s name, clothing or pronouns.

Once a transgender youth reaches puberty, a doctor may prescribe them with reversible puberty blockers to safely delay the effects of puberty. Puberty blockers are not “experimental” treatments, but FDA approved medications that have been used to treat precocious puberty in non-transgender children for several decades. Scientific studies demonstrate that access to puberty blockers reduces suicidal ideation and that parents’ affirmation of their child’s gender identity reduces rates of depression, anxiety, and suicide to levels consistent with their cisgender peers.

The World Professional Association of Transgender Health’s handbook, that doctors and clinicians use to socially, psychologically and medically treat transgender youth, states that irreversible genital surgeries should not be carried out until the individual is of legal age to consent to any procedure. This approach is supported by the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American College of Osteopathic Pediatricians.

Many transgender people regret not coming out when they were younger, and wish they had support from parents, schools and society to do so. When kids are allowed the freedom to safely express themselves, they are happier, healthier and grow into thriving adults.

www.hrc.org...

So I wonder if Layla was considered a 'mature minor'.

en.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=By%20definition%2C%20a%20%22mature%20minor,decisions%20alone%2C%20without%20parental%20app roval.

There are a lot of questions to be answered in this case.

Not a direct response to this case… yet you refused to respond otherwise earlier… curious

originally posted by: CR4SH0V3R1D3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: quintessentone

Why don't you define this sentence:

"Layla was a severely troubled 11-year-old when she self-diagnosed herself as suffering from gender dysphoria."

What does severely troubled mean to you?

What does self-diagnosed mean to you? 80%+ of young people who identify as trans are actually just gay.

I just read where the first doctors at that medical clinic seeing Layla refused to treat her because she was too young, but the parent(s) and Layla insisted so much so that they were then referred to three other doctors who started the treatment.

I also read where Layla had severe problems before transition and because of her unrealistic thoughts of how society would treat her afterwards, she then became disillusioned and unhappy with her transition. It all seems to have hinged on how society would treat them after transitioning. Did the doctors prepare Layla for the harsh realities of the anti-trans sentiment she would face? Whose responsibility would that be to prepare these patients for the realities of an intolerant society?

A lot needs to be unpacked here. It well be that the doctors could be at fault but that remains to be proven.

, from the horses mouth

Here's the court document:

www.documentcloud.org...

As I said previously, I will wait until the trial is over so I can learn both sides of the story. Here you all have one side. If you notice Layla was verbalizing self harm and all of this information would have been provided to the three doctors who ultimately ended up giving her the transitioning treatment. It just shows self harming behaviour is very serious and this must have been taken into account by the doctors.

You say that yet your actions would say otherwise. You seem very bias for someone waiting for the outcome. I’m curious, is it just contrarianism?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: CR4SH0V3R1D3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: quintessentone

Why don't you define this sentence:

"Layla was a severely troubled 11-year-old when she self-diagnosed herself as suffering from gender dysphoria."

What does severely troubled mean to you?

What does self-diagnosed mean to you? 80%+ of young people who identify as trans are actually just gay.

I just read where the first doctors at that medical clinic seeing Layla refused to treat her because she was too young, but the parent(s) and Layla insisted so much so that they were then referred to three other doctors who started the treatment.

I also read where Layla had severe problems before transition and because of her unrealistic thoughts of how society would treat her afterwards, she then became disillusioned and unhappy with her transition. It all seems to have hinged on how society would treat them after transitioning. Did the doctors prepare Layla for the harsh realities of the anti-trans sentiment she would face? Whose responsibility would that be to prepare these patients for the realities of an intolerant society?

A lot needs to be unpacked here. It well be that the doctors could be at fault but that remains to be proven.

, from the horses mouth

Here's the court document:

www.documentcloud.org...

As I said previously, I will wait until the trial is over so I can learn both sides of the story. Here you all have one side. If you notice Layla was verbalizing self harm and all of this information would have been provided to the three doctors who ultimately ended up giving her the transitioning treatment. It just shows self harming behaviour is very serious and this must have been taken into account by the doctors.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: fringeofthefringe

I think you might be confusing "act of war" with treason, which in my opinion is what our government is and have been doing. They have been sellouts to other nations for years and no matter how many people point it out and bring it to light, they don't care and they will continue on with what they want that best benefits them.

Treason, silent coup, subversion...etc, these are all acts of war. War is not just about military force, remember the pen is mightier than the sword. China is trying to defeat the USA and be the global hegonomic force. Realeasing the covid virus from Wuhan and with the help of our government preventing any investogation of it's origons was an act of war, biological warfare, financial warfare.
When a president takes bribes to effectively give policy control to our adversaries it is treasonous and an act of war.
Do you think if our country bribed China predident Xi to change his policy to give our country, USA, the global advantage that that would not be an act of war??
It certainly would be, treason is in and of itself an act of war.